browningguy
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It was just invented to give people something to gripe about. The 9mm fans can complain that the recoil is too much, and the .45 fans can complain it isn't a .45.
Praxidike said:After the 1986 FBI Miami shootout, why was there a need for the creation of the 40s&w?
If ... as everyone says, the 9mm and 45 are almost identical or better than the 40s&w recoil and performance wise, then why did the FBI need to ask Smith & Wesson to create the 40s&w?
Anyone have any links to what the performance of the 9mm ammo that the FBI carried back in the late 80s early 90s, so I can compare the stats to todays 9mm ammo?
The 9mm was developed ages ago. Other than the shape of the bullet head, what else could have possible changed that much? I keep hearing people say that the 9mm of today is so much more potent than the 9mm of 20 years ago. Is it that they did not have p+ 9mm at the time that the 40s&w was created? Can someone point to supporting documentation?
Also logically, if a change in the bullet head design made the 9mm of today preform better than the the 9mm of yesterday, couldn't that same design be applied to the 40s&w bullet thus keeping the performance gap between the 9mm and 40s&w that existed 20-25 years ago the same even though they BOTH were improved?
I can understand the higher complicity, lower cost, and less recoil argument for the 9mm and against the 40s&w, but the performance argument doesn't make any sense and it seems like it's just a claim is being loosely regurgitated and thrown around without much thought, logic, or data to back it up.
Were was he shot? In the Miami shooting, it was later found that one of the shooters was hit in the chest early on in the gun fight, but the bullet failed to penetrate.
I'm more concerned about if I have to shoot through barriers, will there be enough energy left to penetrate through flesh, tendons, and bone to the point to stop the attacker from shooting or advancing?
Ken, just what part of your post answers OP's question?
You know, I thought this was the "High Road" forum.
When the OP asked, "Why was the 40s&w invented?", could we have the decency to just answer the OP?
.40 Short & Wimpy ain't going to die out, as some poster seems to think...
That's what the 9mm was intended to be, a simple replacement for the .38special...ballistically similar, but with semi-auto/hi-cap use.
"There's a big difference between 'mostly dead' and 'all dead'" -Miracle Max
I seriously doubt that since only uspsa "limited" is really dominated by the .40. IPSC/USPSA open and production classes are dominated by the various .355 caliber rounds and IDPA ESP and SSP are both 9mm dominated, For IDPA CDP 40 is illegalIn the civilian world, 40S&W is probably the number one USPSA, IDPA, IPSC, and 3 gun round.
Don't worry the 40 S&W is a fine compramise, as far as one being the best compramise thats an oxymoron.You all have me really regretting the fact that I purchased a 40mm instead of the 9mm lol.