I haven't read through this long thread so I apologize if someone said it already, but look into "Women on Target" at NRA. They have a free 2-3 hour lecture and shooting 22's just for women. Geared toward first time shooters and usually free or very inexpensive. Zero intimidation factor. You never know.
Wife/Girlfriend is ANTI! What to do??
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rayra
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Ruger451
She's 23. Educated. Known and been in a relationship with you for YEARS - and THIS is how she chooses to interact with you. Unforgiveable. Inexcusable. Unacceptable.
Time to shuck off your comfortable rut.
Through. Done. Finished.
She's 23. Educated. Known and been in a relationship with you for YEARS - and THIS is how she chooses to interact with you. Unforgiveable. Inexcusable. Unacceptable.
Time to shuck off your comfortable rut.
Zundfolge
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Therein lies the real problem here.
She is absolutely right that if her parents don't want you to keep a gun in the house that it is their right. So I'd say that as long as you're living under their roof you don't get to keep a gun at home.
No they are not rational, yes they are on the wrong side of the gun issue, but it is their home so you should respect that.
Now the other problem is that its clear that she's lying down an ultimatum ... ultimatums are poison in a relationship. Period.
There is a little room for bargaining here ... you could tell her that you will respect her parents wishes to not have a gun in the home, but as soon as you two are out on your own and in your own place that you will be buying a gun (the first of many). If she disagrees with that then you politely end the conversation, drop the subject completely and start looking for a place to live on your own and when you find it you say goodbye to this house full of antis (or you just give in and give up ... which may sound easy but in a few years it will fester into a relationship ending boil).
Remember, breakups are SIGNIFICANTLY easier/cheaper/less painful than divorce.
goalie
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And that is the crux of the whole issue. If you are willing to accept that she would play the ultimatum game over an inanimate object that you are willing to store safely, well, I guess you had better be willing to deal with that same ultimatum anytime she decides that you should or shouldn't do something.
Oh, and whoever said that staying with a person for cheap rent was stupid was spot-on!!!
rayra
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Then they've never been shown the proper way, then. It's an 18-pound spring for pete's sake. Pulling the slide with the left, while pushing the frame away with the right is all that it takes.
Someone with no or little upper body strength / bicep can have difficulty if they attempt to hold the gun rigidly with the grip hand and only use their offside hand to tug at the thing.
And MadMike, doesn't matter how many personal relatives you post are incapbale of doing things, it isn't 'proof' of anything. Near-infinite variety of People. You can't base your assertions SOLELY on your limited direct experince, and be taken at your word.
madmike
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Rayra, I started a new thread on that to avoid thread hijack. Please comment there.
And I've met multiple military officers who couldn't rack a .45. That's not "personal opinion," that's "professional experience."
And I've met multiple military officers who couldn't rack a .45. That's not "personal opinion," that's "professional experience."
Jamie C.
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Wrong.
If he's paying rent it's his house/home, and he has the right to keep what he damn well pleases in it so long as it's legal for him to own the item.
The only exception to this would be any kind of written agreement he might have signed.
And I'm seriously doubting that he signed any kind of lease or contract stating that not owning firearms was a condition of him living there.
J.C.
Headless Thompson Gunner
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That's not entirely true. If the landlord and tenant have an understanding that firearms are not permitted in the property, then the tenant is obligated to comply. No written/signed contract is necessary. Enforcing such matters in court might be interesting, but morally there's no question about it. If he agreed not to store a firearm on the property, than he's obligated to keep his word.
(I'll wager that there are other unwritten/unsigned terms to the lease agreement, too. For instance, do you think the girlfriend/parents would still let him live in their house if he started bringing home other women to sleep with?)
He needs a new residence, not a new gun.
Perhaps this has been said already but I'll say it anyway: You have NO business even considering getting married until you're at least 30. When you reach 30 you will have (by your own accounting) only been out of school for 3 years. If you're in a relationship you will have gotten NOTHING out of your system by then. You really need to have been there and done that to be ready to be married to someone. Most people cannot accomplish that requirement before they're 30.
"Settling down" is a euphemism for marriage for a reason. When you're ready to settle down, you'll know it and so will the one you do it with. With age comes wisdom. Wisdom breeds confidence. You cannot succeed in a married relationship unless you have the wisdom to do so and you cannot be peaceful in a married relationship unless you have the confidence to do so.
So forget the guns for a moment and just look at what you've realized in participating here - that it bothers you that she has (and chooses to exercise) control over you and how you live your life. Do you think that this is a behavior that will change? I assure you it WILL NOT! This is who she is and it's how she addresses life - she looks for things she can control and exploits them. Try looking for it in other aspects of your lives together. I GUARANTEE you'll see it if you look under the stones you see around you. You will regret remaining in a committed relationship with this person, I PROMISE you!
For you this is not about guns - though guns are what precipitated open discussion for you. This is about choices and it is about trying to control only those things that you can. You cannot control an emotional and irrational reaction to a subject in anyone so don't try to. What you can control is yourself. If you wish to possess and shoot firearms then you must choose that for yourself - and you must be prepared to face the consequences of that choice - loss of girlfriend and home included.
Your other option is to choose your girlfriend and relinquish control over the concept of owning and discharging firearms. It's not a bad choice as long as you're truly prepared to make it - and STICK to it. But if making that choice causes a knot in your stomach or makes you feel like you’re being bent over a barrel then you are making a choice that violates your conscience. You shouldn’t do that.
I’ll return now to what I opened with – leave marriage for a MUCH later time. You’re a student. You know nothing about living your life. You won’t either until you stop being a student and start being a person living your life like the rest of us poor slobs. Different things matter to a student than do to rest of the adult population. You have a long way to go before you even realize this. Give yourself some time to gather the pearls of wisdom that will get you through the rough stuff that happens in a marriage and you’ll be doing yourself, your future wife, and most importantly, your KIDS the most RESPONSIBLE favor you could ever imagine.
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"Settling down" is a euphemism for marriage for a reason. When you're ready to settle down, you'll know it and so will the one you do it with. With age comes wisdom. Wisdom breeds confidence. You cannot succeed in a married relationship unless you have the wisdom to do so and you cannot be peaceful in a married relationship unless you have the confidence to do so.
So forget the guns for a moment and just look at what you've realized in participating here - that it bothers you that she has (and chooses to exercise) control over you and how you live your life. Do you think that this is a behavior that will change? I assure you it WILL NOT! This is who she is and it's how she addresses life - she looks for things she can control and exploits them. Try looking for it in other aspects of your lives together. I GUARANTEE you'll see it if you look under the stones you see around you. You will regret remaining in a committed relationship with this person, I PROMISE you!
For you this is not about guns - though guns are what precipitated open discussion for you. This is about choices and it is about trying to control only those things that you can. You cannot control an emotional and irrational reaction to a subject in anyone so don't try to. What you can control is yourself. If you wish to possess and shoot firearms then you must choose that for yourself - and you must be prepared to face the consequences of that choice - loss of girlfriend and home included.
Your other option is to choose your girlfriend and relinquish control over the concept of owning and discharging firearms. It's not a bad choice as long as you're truly prepared to make it - and STICK to it. But if making that choice causes a knot in your stomach or makes you feel like you’re being bent over a barrel then you are making a choice that violates your conscience. You shouldn’t do that.
I’ll return now to what I opened with – leave marriage for a MUCH later time. You’re a student. You know nothing about living your life. You won’t either until you stop being a student and start being a person living your life like the rest of us poor slobs. Different things matter to a student than do to rest of the adult population. You have a long way to go before you even realize this. Give yourself some time to gather the pearls of wisdom that will get you through the rough stuff that happens in a marriage and you’ll be doing yourself, your future wife, and most importantly, your KIDS the most RESPONSIBLE favor you could ever imagine.
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sm
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Post # 76 nailed it for me.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=2337061&postcount=76
One gender pays too much attention to the smaller head
The other worries too much about the biological clock
The later can control her new best friend filled with AAs under the bed
The former just needs a sock.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=2337061&postcount=76
One gender pays too much attention to the smaller head
The other worries too much about the biological clock
The later can control her new best friend filled with AAs under the bed
The former just needs a sock.
Aguila Blanca
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Perhaps I am becoming nearsighted ... I see no future between the two of you at all. Now you mention (as if it doesn't matter) that aside from the gun issue, there is also a religion issue. You may think that on that you have simply "agreed to disagree," but what's going to happen when you have children, and a decision has to be made as to which religion (or both) the kids will be raised in? Mate, you and this woman don't have any future at all, unless your idea of an idyllic future is a continuous battle for supremecy.Ruger451 said:
And this is supposed to accomplish ... what?
No, actually they don't. You can take that to the bank. I'm approximately three times your age, Mate, and I have encountered psychiatrists, psychologists, and "therapists" in a wide variety of settings and situations. I haven't seen or met one yet about whom I could honestly say he (or she) did a lot of good. Mostly, they tell people that they (the patient/client) are right, and to "assert themselves," and that is never good for a relationship when, in fact, the client/patient happens NOT to be right.
"almost"?
You are delaying the inevitable. If she is, in fact, "livid" over the mere possibility of your owning a firearm, giving her more time is going to accomplish nothing other than allowing her to marshal her arguments and organize her support base. I have been where you are, Mate. Believe me when I tell you that your "relationship" with this woman is, at this time, a fantasy rather than a relationship. "Giving her time" is simply avoiding making a decision that, sooner or later, will have to be made.
rayra
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Again you try to cite your direct personal experience as if it the only one that means anything.
I've know several military officers including my Navy father and his friends / peers, and the Marine officers I've served under that COULD. What possible difference does it make? (other than to give me another laugh at the widening group of people you know that CAN'T rack a service pistol)
/feh, fuggedaboutit
ETA: pointing out how lame it is to try to trump with your "professional experience". Doesn't work very well when you try to pull that Ace on a Former Marine.
/don't get your knickers in a knot, Mods, I'm done on this subtopic
madmike
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Well, of course, because being a FORMER Marine you OBVIOUSLY are the be all and end all authority on the subject.
I'll just take my 21 years of military experience and go sulk quietly in the corner, dazzled by the knowledge that my experience is all wrong and irrelevant.
Since I HAVE met adults who CANNOT rack a 1911, obviously, there ARE such people. That you have not met any is also personal experience. As YOUR personal experience does not offer this observation it is null for study purposes, and therefore, irrelevant to the debate and not useful. You cannot prove a negative. I can prove the positive--that such people DO exist.
BTW: I just spoke to TWO Marines (not "former") who have also met such people. How do they rate on your scale? Or are we playing "See you and raise you"?
And this subthread was continued elsewhere. I won't respond to it again here.
I'll just take my 21 years of military experience and go sulk quietly in the corner, dazzled by the knowledge that my experience is all wrong and irrelevant.
Since I HAVE met adults who CANNOT rack a 1911, obviously, there ARE such people. That you have not met any is also personal experience. As YOUR personal experience does not offer this observation it is null for study purposes, and therefore, irrelevant to the debate and not useful. You cannot prove a negative. I can prove the positive--that such people DO exist.
BTW: I just spoke to TWO Marines (not "former") who have also met such people. How do they rate on your scale? Or are we playing "See you and raise you"?
And this subthread was continued elsewhere. I won't respond to it again here.
Ruger451
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So I wrote out my whole response and as I clicked submit, my connection failed, and I lost the whole thing. This is the rewrite and it just hits my main points...
1.) PILOT, I think I am going to go with your approach for the most part. I still want to try to educate her, but I think that once I have purchased the gun, it will force her to either accept it or kick me out. Either way, we'll get where we're going faster, because no matter what, I will own guns in my life. It is my right and my joy.
2.) SLOCUM, you are also right. People shoudn't marry until at least 30 just to have the experience under their belt. I've seen young couples marry right out of high school and it deosn't work the vast majority of the time. That is why we are waiting, and why we chose to live together first, to make sure that marriage was even an option. I think that all couples should live together first because it gives you a good idea of what marriage will be like.
3.) HAWKMOON, you are getting a little too heated on a subject which you have no investment in. I think that I am best qualified to judge whether or not our divergent religious beliefs (and political beliefs for that matter) are capable of co-existing. Secondly,"What am I trying to accomplish by educating her about the merits of firearms?" I am trying to convert her, as I mentioned in my very first post, and how you convince someone of anything is by showing them the truth andby showing them the errors of their misconceptions.
Lastly, you're in no postion to make such a vast generalization about the field of psychology. You remind me of my grandmother, who in her 86 years has never seen a psychologist whom she liked. Neither of your opinions are worthy to judge an issue of such massive scope. Who are you to say that psychology hasn't helped people? What about the millions of kids and adults with autism or other developmental disabilities who are practically taught how to live by their therapists? And what of the millions more who are helped to control their symptoms of depression or compulsive behavior by their psychologist? Age does not necessitate wisdom in everything, my friend.
Respectfully, Chris
1.) PILOT, I think I am going to go with your approach for the most part. I still want to try to educate her, but I think that once I have purchased the gun, it will force her to either accept it or kick me out. Either way, we'll get where we're going faster, because no matter what, I will own guns in my life. It is my right and my joy.
2.) SLOCUM, you are also right. People shoudn't marry until at least 30 just to have the experience under their belt. I've seen young couples marry right out of high school and it deosn't work the vast majority of the time. That is why we are waiting, and why we chose to live together first, to make sure that marriage was even an option. I think that all couples should live together first because it gives you a good idea of what marriage will be like.
3.) HAWKMOON, you are getting a little too heated on a subject which you have no investment in. I think that I am best qualified to judge whether or not our divergent religious beliefs (and political beliefs for that matter) are capable of co-existing. Secondly,"What am I trying to accomplish by educating her about the merits of firearms?" I am trying to convert her, as I mentioned in my very first post, and how you convince someone of anything is by showing them the truth andby showing them the errors of their misconceptions.
Lastly, you're in no postion to make such a vast generalization about the field of psychology. You remind me of my grandmother, who in her 86 years has never seen a psychologist whom she liked. Neither of your opinions are worthy to judge an issue of such massive scope. Who are you to say that psychology hasn't helped people? What about the millions of kids and adults with autism or other developmental disabilities who are practically taught how to live by their therapists? And what of the millions more who are helped to control their symptoms of depression or compulsive behavior by their psychologist? Age does not necessitate wisdom in everything, my friend.
Respectfully, Chris
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Only you know what will truly make you happy. I suggest you decide what that is (while remembering that what makes you happy can change over time) and do it.
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Jeff22
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you are who you are
I've had friends who have gone through this. You have to decide if you want to be happy living your life or be miserable living your life the way somebody else wants you to live it.
In the case of my friends, the issues have been: gun ownership, or motorcycle riding, or stock car racing (!) or police work or belonging to the national guard or reserve.
You are who you are and she is who she is.
It sounds like you have some serious incompatability issues.
Don't walk, RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN in the other direction. It's not worth fighting over. You don't live in the same universe, and it isn't worth the effort to fix. Try again with somebody who shares more of your core values and worldview.
I've had friends who have gone through this. You have to decide if you want to be happy living your life or be miserable living your life the way somebody else wants you to live it.
In the case of my friends, the issues have been: gun ownership, or motorcycle riding, or stock car racing (!) or police work or belonging to the national guard or reserve.
You are who you are and she is who she is.
It sounds like you have some serious incompatability issues.
Don't walk, RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN in the other direction. It's not worth fighting over. You don't live in the same universe, and it isn't worth the effort to fix. Try again with somebody who shares more of your core values and worldview.
Northwet
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Wife now an enthusiast
My spouse of 23 years has never had an interest in guns. I asked her to attend an NRA sponsored intro to handguns for women, as I explained that I at least wanted her to understand safe handling of a gun if she ever had to. She agreed to attend. The class was three hours of classrom and dryfiring then an hour on an outdoor range.
I showed up just as the last firing session ended. All six of the women were excited and obviously enjoyed themselves. What I didn't expect to see was my wife staying after the class and shooting up two more boxes of 22s, all double-action. She was using the instructors S&W 617 with a six-inch barrel and loved it (her 50-something eyes liked the longer sight radius over the S&W 63s that were available).
Following the instructor's advice, she is ready to pick out her own 22 revolver and a couple bricks of ammo.
Any good prices on a S&W 617? We'll be visiting Sportsman Warehouse and Academy next weekend.
North"wet"
My spouse of 23 years has never had an interest in guns. I asked her to attend an NRA sponsored intro to handguns for women, as I explained that I at least wanted her to understand safe handling of a gun if she ever had to. She agreed to attend. The class was three hours of classrom and dryfiring then an hour on an outdoor range.
I showed up just as the last firing session ended. All six of the women were excited and obviously enjoyed themselves. What I didn't expect to see was my wife staying after the class and shooting up two more boxes of 22s, all double-action. She was using the instructors S&W 617 with a six-inch barrel and loved it (her 50-something eyes liked the longer sight radius over the S&W 63s that were available).
Following the instructor's advice, she is ready to pick out her own 22 revolver and a couple bricks of ammo.
Any good prices on a S&W 617? We'll be visiting Sportsman Warehouse and Academy next weekend.
North"wet"
PX15
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Please read very carefully:
If you think you will ever change this gal's mind you are wrong....
If you think this is an issue now, just wait until after you get married..
Never get married with the idea in mind that the things that you don't like about your potential mate can be somehow "moderated" later.. They can't. You won't be able to change her opinions any more than she can change yours.
If you give in on an issue such as this you are handing her your testicles in a gift wrapped box.. She will put that box away in a safe place, and every time you try to be the "man" of the house she will bring the box out, open it up, and squeeze your family jewels until you go "wee wee"...
It's more than a guns/no guns issue. It's more about whose "will" is stronger, and who will indeed make the decisions and wear the pants in the marriage.
Maybe it's just me, but I would prefer to keep my gonads than marry a woman who thought hers were bigger than mine.
Give in, give up.. That simple.
Just my old fart (married for over 38yrs) opinion. Oh yeah, my bride keeps a 357mag in her nightstand drawer, and her vehicle weapon of choice is a pristine Colt Cobra..
Keep looking.. There are PLENTY of ladies out there looking for a MAN..
Be one.
JP
P.S. It strikes me that the EX-therapist "Playboy Penguin" is as full of merde as a Christmas turkey... (Notice I didn't say "Holiday turkey")....
If you think you will ever change this gal's mind you are wrong....
If you think this is an issue now, just wait until after you get married..
Never get married with the idea in mind that the things that you don't like about your potential mate can be somehow "moderated" later.. They can't. You won't be able to change her opinions any more than she can change yours.
If you give in on an issue such as this you are handing her your testicles in a gift wrapped box.. She will put that box away in a safe place, and every time you try to be the "man" of the house she will bring the box out, open it up, and squeeze your family jewels until you go "wee wee"...
It's more than a guns/no guns issue. It's more about whose "will" is stronger, and who will indeed make the decisions and wear the pants in the marriage.
Maybe it's just me, but I would prefer to keep my gonads than marry a woman who thought hers were bigger than mine.
Give in, give up.. That simple.
Just my old fart (married for over 38yrs) opinion. Oh yeah, my bride keeps a 357mag in her nightstand drawer, and her vehicle weapon of choice is a pristine Colt Cobra..
Keep looking.. There are PLENTY of ladies out there looking for a MAN..
Be one.
JP
P.S. It strikes me that the EX-therapist "Playboy Penguin" is as full of merde as a Christmas turkey... (Notice I didn't say "Holiday turkey")....
Kendra Pacelli
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I was an anti girlfriend....
My advice to you, if you care about this girl, try not to shove it down her throat. Don't be too aggressive. What is truely behind her not liking guns? Did she have an experience? Or is she like I was, hating guns was how she grew up. My ex, at the time, respected my wishes and kept the guns out of the house. He still sorta kinda resents me for that, and I don't blame him. However, I was not educated on guns. Education is the key. Upon hearing and learningthe rules, and of course being taken to the range to shoot off a few rounds, I had changed my mind. What else changed my mind? The feelings I had for my ex. If it was imprortant to him, and he could be safe with them, especially around my child, then I couldn't complain. I also felt safe when he was around, for I knew he would be ready for anything!
What I'm tying to say is, educatate her. educate her family. And if they cross over from the "darks side" then you have become the the hero on this forum. If not, compromise with her. She may eventually come around, if not, then you make your decision.
You yourself stated you just started with the gun interest, give her a chance to catch up!
My advice to you, if you care about this girl, try not to shove it down her throat. Don't be too aggressive. What is truely behind her not liking guns? Did she have an experience? Or is she like I was, hating guns was how she grew up. My ex, at the time, respected my wishes and kept the guns out of the house. He still sorta kinda resents me for that, and I don't blame him. However, I was not educated on guns. Education is the key. Upon hearing and learningthe rules, and of course being taken to the range to shoot off a few rounds, I had changed my mind. What else changed my mind? The feelings I had for my ex. If it was imprortant to him, and he could be safe with them, especially around my child, then I couldn't complain. I also felt safe when he was around, for I knew he would be ready for anything!
What I'm tying to say is, educatate her. educate her family. And if they cross over from the "darks side" then you have become the the hero on this forum. If not, compromise with her. She may eventually come around, if not, then you make your decision.
You yourself stated you just started with the gun interest, give her a chance to catch up!
Idaho Elk Hunter
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I feel for you brother. She wants to change you, you want to change her! Think long and hard! Mine was never anti gun. She just had the "Dont kill Bambi's father mind set" If you kill one , dont let me see it. Never tried to stop me.
Last year I bought her a 7mm-08 and she dropped one of Bambi's relatives and is hooked! She said she had never been so excited. She will be applying for her moose tag next month. For a while she didnt like me shooting Bambi's, she never tried to change me.
Here is a pic of her Bambi. Does it look like she is anti Bambi now? No she would do it again in a heartbeat.
Last year I bought her a 7mm-08 and she dropped one of Bambi's relatives and is hooked! She said she had never been so excited. She will be applying for her moose tag next month. For a while she didnt like me shooting Bambi's, she never tried to change me.
Here is a pic of her Bambi. Does it look like she is anti Bambi now? No she would do it again in a heartbeat.
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Igloodude
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Ruger451,
Going to the range and renting every week is no problem, but buying one is? Is it the money, is it "having one in the house", is it going too far, is it buying one without asking/consulting/telling her first, or what? Also, does she not like guns because of bad personal experience with one, because her family taught her that nice people don't like guns, or because they're unknown and scary? Have you tried to get her to a basic firearm course, or to try out shooting a 22?
Any of the advice here is going to be a shot in the dark without knowing the answers to those questions. But, I'd point out that people that love each other respect each others' views and opinions, and support each others' activities and hobbies (through gritted teeth if necessary). If her objection is that she's worried about your (and/or her) safety, she should be open to training and/or information regarding the pros and cons of having a gun in the house.
And due heed to the opinions of most folks here - if she's in the mindset that each of you gets to veto the other's purchases or activities without compromise, and you're not in that mindset, then perhaps after a discussion clarifying what the boundaries are, you should review whether this relationship is really what you're looking for.
Going to the range and renting every week is no problem, but buying one is? Is it the money, is it "having one in the house", is it going too far, is it buying one without asking/consulting/telling her first, or what? Also, does she not like guns because of bad personal experience with one, because her family taught her that nice people don't like guns, or because they're unknown and scary? Have you tried to get her to a basic firearm course, or to try out shooting a 22?
Any of the advice here is going to be a shot in the dark
without knowing the answers to those questions. But, I'd point out that people that love each other respect each others' views and opinions, and support each others' activities and hobbies (through gritted teeth if necessary). If her objection is that she's worried about your (and/or her) safety, she should be open to training and/or information regarding the pros and cons of having a gun in the house.And due heed to the opinions of most folks here - if she's in the mindset that each of you gets to veto the other's purchases or activities without compromise, and you're not in that mindset, then perhaps after a discussion clarifying what the boundaries are, you should review whether this relationship is really what you're looking for.
Zundfolge
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Okay counselor, settle down ... you have a point if we were talking about a typical landlord/tenant relationship.
However what we're talking about is the "landlords" being the parents of this guy's fiancee. So you may be correct in the strictest sense of the law, but that doesn't translate well into the real world situation here.
Also, if he's renting a room in the home they also live in 99% of those landlord/tenant laws are out the window.
Taurus 617 CCW
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You can either spend your entire marriage trying to convince her that guns are not bad and work from there or you can find another who already thinks guns are good/neutral stance and build off that. This comes down to a lack of respect and trust, not just firearms themselves. There is a deeper issue here that many other posts have eluded to. Pay close attention to how she reacts to other things that are not related to firearms. There is usually a connection. I advise you to be careful with this one. You may try to have a discussion with her before you make any rash decisions which will help confirm what you finally decide to do. Just remember, keep her in the circle on this one so she knows what's going on. There's nothing worse than wondering what happened without an explanation or any former evidence. Good luck and keep us informed on how things go.
Aguila Blanca
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I see. You are trying to do to her what you object to her trying to do to you. Good plan.Ruger451 said:
Heated? Me? You haven't ever seen me heated. I have no dog in this fight, Mate. You asked for advice, I offered advice. Don't start attacking me because I don't happen to agree with your fantasy that there is hope for this relationship. There's an old saying that if you don't want to hear the answer, you shouldn't ask the question.
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