Wisconsin massacre followup

[El Tejon]

Hiaboo, remind me not to tell you that I started carrying a pistol at 13. Off my family's land at 18 with a license.

 

[Richbaker]

Only if it was a 20 round mag rather than a 30 round mag.....

 

[Jaenak]

This doesn't surprise me in the slightest. He came to a house to make up with his girl friend when her friends were around. If the girl friend said anything bad about him her friends will believe it 100% whether it's true or not. Usually they end up hating the ex more than the person that dated them. He should have tried to talk to her when she wasn't surrounded by her friends.

The only thing that does shock me is that people think he must have been crazy. Normal and completely plain and sane people can simply snap and commit many horrors if the right buttons are pushed the right number of times. Each person has that one thing that shortens their fuse the fastest and you don't need to be crazy to snap and do something terrible.

One thing that I see wrong with this story is it conflicts. In one place it says he was shot in a shootout with police. In another place it says he was shot after getting out of his vehicle and walking about 50 feet (or yards, can't remember) towards the woods.

 

[jrfoxx]

There seems to be about 3 or 4 references to people under 21 carrying pistols in this thread...

Yet the article mentions this young man going out to his car to retrieve his AR 15. (I know this... I read the article.)
Also, the article mentions 30 rounds being fired.
It seems to me that 30 rounds would require (at least) one re-load.

So, I'm not getting the connection here between a right to carry a handgun/sidearm by someone under 21 and this guy going bat-sh*t insane with a rifle.

The connection to age and carrying a handgun is made to to the fact he would be required to carry a handgun as part of his job as an LEO.Therefore, if he can carry one at 19 because he's LEO, why cant the rest of us "civillians" carry one until we're 21 (in all but a couple of states that is, WI NOT being one of them)? Thats where people are coming from there.Also, 5 out of 6 mags for my AR are 30 rounders, 1 is 20, so a reload may not have been needed (in fact, if he fired exactly 30 rds, I'd say its almost 100% likely he DID have a 30 rd mag, and 30 rds were fired because he fired until the gun was empty, as opposed to emptying a 20rd mag, relaoding, and onlyfiring exactly 10 more out of the next one.)

 

[caltek1911]

Hiaboo, I know plenty of 18-20 year olds carrying pistols in the military as part of their job.

 

[bumm]

>The only thing that does shock me is that people
> think he must have been crazy. Normal and
> completely plain and sane people can simply snap
> and commit many horrors if the right buttons are
> pushed the right number of times.

I disagree pretty strongly with this. A sane person will NOT snap and turn into a murderer when taunted or verbally abused, even on his worst day. This is the kind of statement made by those who see a need to disarm us all, just for this type of reason.
Marty

 

[ilbob]

>The only thing that does shock me is that people
> think he must have been crazy. Normal and
> completely plain and sane people can simply snap
> and commit many horrors if the right buttons are
> pushed the right number of times.

I disagree pretty strongly with this. A sane person will NOT snap and turn into a murderer when taunted or verbally abused, even on his worst day. This is the kind of statement made by those who see a need to disarm us all, just for this type of reason.
Marty

I agree. The notion that someone turned insane instantly is just ludicrous. Crazy people are deeply disturbed, and usually have been acting out for a long time before they get to this level of criminality.

Temporary insanity is something lawyers made up to give juries an excuse to let someone off the hook.

I'd be willing to bet this guy's former colleagues are wondering why when they noticed aberrant behavior from him, they chose to do nothing. not that any of them will be admitting it any time soon.

 

[Wes Janson]

I agree. The notion that someone turned insane instantly is just ludicrous. Crazy people are deeply disturbed, and usually have been acting out for a long time before they get to this level of criminality.

Temporary insanity is something lawyers made up to give juries an excuse to let someone off the hook.

I'd be willing to bet this guy's former colleagues are wondering why when they noticed aberrant behavior from him, they chose to do nothing. not that any of them will be admitting it any time soon.

It's probable that he showed signs beforehand, but not guaranteed by any means. For any given person on this planet, there are a finite series of stimulii which can lead them to commit virtually any action. As Jaenak puts it, all it takes are the right buttons being pushed at the right times. Some are just simply closer to the edge than others..or have better fortune. There but for the grace of god, and all of that.

 

[Kind of Blued]

This is a really poorly written article in regard to writing in a linear fashion. From what I gathered, he went to the girls house to fix the relationship, she was having a pizza party with six other people, he was called a name, got his gun, killed everybody but one, went to someone's house, they said he was calm, someone called 911, then at some point, after being calm, he got in a firefight with police. He was walking out into the woods and was shot dead by the police? Is that legal? Maybe I missed something?

Politicians always love to do the "knee jerK" after an out-of-the-blue freak thing like this.

Just another law and/or regulation on the books that will accomplish nothing.

No law could stop something like this.

We could make it illegal for police officers to carry firearms, of course. Isn't that how issues like this are usually dealt with?

(It was meant that way )