223 vs 357

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if i had to bet on a one shot stop at 50 yards or less id take the 357 loaded with 158hps out of a carbine any day over a ar shooting ball. But extend the range and farther or subtitute the ball bullets for a good bullet like a 60 grain vmax or better yet a 60 grain partition and id have to go with the Ar.
 
I'm not arguing the ballistic pluses or minuses of .223 versus .357 -- I'll let more educated minds than mine hash that out... :)

The only centerfire "long gun" I have in the house (if you exclude a 12 gauge pump and a T/C Contender carbine in .44 mag) is a Winchester Trapper in .357. I live in a built up suburban neighborhood, and don't have a clear line of sight beyond 100 yards if I actually even needed to place such a shot for some catastrophic reason.

Also, I have a slew of .357 and .38 revolvers, so I'm very likely to keep a decent supply of that ammo around the house.

I'm not saying it's an ideal solution, but I find it practical for my circumstances, and don't feel terribly under-gunned with 10 quick shots of hot .357 coming out of a 16-inch barrel (backed up by a 12 gauge with slugs).

Of course, I am not precluding owning some kind of rifle-caliber rifle or carbine in the future...

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I've had a Marlin 1894c for several years; it was my first centerfire rifle and is still probably my favorite to shoot. It's so handy and fun and has such great practical accuracy--within the limitations of its range. I've done a good deal of loading and chronographing with it. My favorite loads in .357 are a 158 gr Hornady XTPFP over a max book load of Little Gun for 2,000 fps; or a 125 gr HP over a max load of H110/W296 for 2,150 fps. Both are very consistent and accurate. I've used heavier and lighter bullets, and cast bullets and swaged bullets, but settled on these standards as able to do anything that's reasonably within the capabilities of the .357 in a carbine. .38's are fun for plinking, and I've shot plenty of 158 gr. RNFP and LSWC through it for fun and in cowboy action games. Oh, and a final plus for the Marlin: it's super easy to reload for.

I was issued an AR last year by the Sheriff's Office. To me, it's not as fun a gun to shoot as the Marlin. Nevertheless, there is NO DOUBT in my mind that it's the one I would prefer to have in a fight. The handling characteristics, capacity, longer range capabilities and fast reloads make it all business for me. I shot the Marlin in several 3-gun competitions several years back and became keenly aware of its limitations, and the AR overcomes all these; but it's still not as fun to handle and shoot, for me.

In terms of terminal ballistics I don't have any practical experience to share; just the opinion that I think either one would give you a pretty good margin of potency within 50-75 yards. Past that, the .357 starts to give up ground pretty fast.
 
.38 will not get as much gains as .357 from the longer barrel due to the faster powders commonly loaded in .38. I haven't shot any +P from mine over the chrony, but I wouldn't expect it to be much more out of a rifle than an 8" revolver.

I have. I make a +P .38 special load with Lyman's 358477 SWC. It's about 151-152 grains cast in #2 alloy. With 8.0 grains of Blue Dot that bullet is going at 1090fps in a 6" revolver, and 1265 fps in a 20" rifle. So, that's a gain of 175fps, which appears in line with data I see in my Speer manuals.
 
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"The DIYBallistics site is interesting; but given the penetration depths, it is pretty obvious that they are using a much denser medium than ballistics gel. That makes it tough to compare (and also affects expansion strangely)."

Hi all, new here.

The site in question is my creation. I found this board while going through my website statistics. Seems like an interesting place.

I just wanted to mention that I did conduct some .357 mag tests into a medium of bone and ballistics gel, here. http://www.diyballistics.com/Shooting the Mock Deer Page 1.html

Admittedly, these tests were conducted using a handgun, but I close range hit with handgun simulates a long range hit with a carbine, more or less. Someone mentioned that the differing twist rates between the revolver and the carbine could impact terminal performance.

They may not be professional level ultra-scientific tests, but it is a lot of fun:D
 
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