25-06 beats 6.5 creedmoor

[cdb1]

I guess it's a badge of honor to have burned out a barrel. I'm embarrassed to say I've never done so. If I was into target shooting I probably would have.

Barrel life is a consideration to some but to the majority of hunters I just don't see it being an issue.

 

[horsey300]

I guess it's a badge of honor to have burned out a barrel. I'm embarrassed to say I've never done so. If I was into target shooting I probably would have.

Barrel life is a consideration to some but to the majority of hunters I just don't see it being an issue.

This is why savages appeal to me so much, I can shoot out a .25-06, .243, .264 etc etc, and RE barrel it lickety split, then back out to burn another one up. I don't target shoot, but the vermin sure do their part to keep me out there!

 

[CraigC]

Spomer usually does better than that.

 

[Jim Watson]

The .25-06 is a fine hunting round, but as said, not "efficient" in terms of powder consumption and barrel life.
The .25 Souper (.25x.308) might make a good target round, or a 6.35 Creedmoor.

I think somebody ought to buy a set of swage dies and make his own high BC .257s and shoot a .25 against the 6mms and 6.5 mms at Long Range. I bet it would do just as well and he would get rich selling the latest thing in niche caliber guns.

 

[Orcon]

The .25-06 is a fine hunting round, but as said, not "efficient" in terms of powder consumption and barrel life.
The .25 Souper (.25x.308) might make a good target round, or a 6.35 Creedmoor.

I think somebody ought to buy a set of swage dies and make his own high BC .257s and shoot a .25 against the 6mms and 6.5 mms at Long Range. I bet it would do just as well and he would get rich selling the latest thing in niche caliber guns.

I'm actually working on a new case design. I don't want to get too specific lest my idea be stolen. It's loosely based on the 250sav but a little bit longer, less taper and a different shoulder angle but necked up to 30 cal. I'm thinking of calling it the 300 Perry Express. Try to keep it on the down-low.

 

[Bwana John]

But does a 25-06 beat a 6.5-06?

 

[.308 Norma]

I'm actually working on a new case design. I don't want to get too specific lest my idea be stolen. It's loosely based on the 250sav but a little bit longer, less taper and a different shoulder angle but necked up to 30 cal. I'm thinking of calling it the 300 Perry Express. Try to keep it on the down-low.

Are you looking for investors?

 

[GooseGestapo]

I hate to tell you Orcon, but its called a .300 Savage. Nothing really new under the sun...!
Sharpen the shoulder and stretch it a little and it's a .30TC. Most everything has been tried already.

 

[Geno]

Still, it sounds fun...tinkering.

Geno

 

[.308 Norma]

I hate to tell you Orcon, but its called a .300 Savage.

I have a feeling Orcon already knew that.

 

[Orcon]

I hate to tell you Orcon, but its called a .300 Savage. Nothing really new under the sun...!
Sharpen the shoulder and stretch it a little and it's a .30TC. Most everything has been tried already.

300 Savage is a solution looking for a problem. Now the 300 Perry, that sucker really has it going on.

Thanks for the tip, Goose, I'm just being a wise-ass. I wonder how many heads would explode if I necked the Creedmoor case up to 30 cal.

 

[someguy2800]

300 Savage is a solution looking for a problem. Now the 300 Perry, that sucker really has it going on.

Thanks for the tip, Goose, I'm just being a wise-ass. I wonder how many heads would explode if I necked the Creedmoor case up to 30 cal.

I'm in, my real name is Perry. Could also call it the 300 savcreedwin short magnum. Or just the 300 redundant.

 

[Llama Bob]

Well you're certainly not going to see too much difference between two calibers with a bore only 7 thousandths different. The real difference is twist rate - make a 1:8" .257 and the bullets to match, and it would be indistinguishable from the .264s. But of course as it stands now most .264s are 1:9 or 1:8, and nearly all .257s are 1:10. So in practice the .257s are somewhat limited for larger game.

On deer and smaller, there's not an iota of difference.

 

[T.R.]

In 2005, my friend and I were hunting antelope on a large ranch in western South Dakota. We separated to cover more ground. I was watching a dandy buck at long range through my 10X binoculars. Suddenly the animal jerked sideways and fell over just as I heard the crack of my buddy's 25-06 rifle. I looked toward the sound of the shot and observed my friend's orange cap way out there about 350 yards away. His rifle is a Ruger 77 featuring long heavy barrel and an older Redfield 6X scope. Great combination for long distance shooting; 25-06 is a keeper!

TR

 

[RussellC]

Do high end target shooters, Bench rest, long distance and so forth use 20-06? I have no idea.

Russellc

 

[Mr. Hill]

In Nebraska and Kansas, the .25-06 is held in high regard as a flat shooting, effective deer round with less recoil. That's where I first encountered it, and I'd like to own one someday.

The 6.5 Creedmore looks good on paper, but I'd worry about ammo availability in rural hunting areas.

 

[someguy2800]

In Nebraska and Kansas, the .25-06 is held in high regard as a flat shooting, effective deer round with less recoil. That's where I first encountered it, and I'd like to own one someday.

The 6.5 Creedmore looks good on paper, but I'd worry about ammo availability in rural hunting areas.

25-06 is pretty spotty to find around here. 6.5 creedmore is here to stay so it's getting more and more popular and available. I don't buy into new cartridges because 90% of them will be gone in 30 years but the creedmore is going to have staying power due to the huge number of guns that have adopted it.

 

[VoodooMountain]

In Nebraska and Kansas, the .25-06 is held in high regard as a flat shooting, effective deer round with less recoil. That's where I first encountered it, and I'd like to own one someday.

The 6.5 Creedmore looks good on paper, but I'd worry about ammo availability in rural hunting areas.

25-06 works Very Very well here in Kansas but in my area there is only a small, albeit loyal, following. Most of th flat shooting crowd go for a 270. I've had a couple of guys even ask me what a 25-06 even was.

Ammo isn't as prevalent as 30/30, 30-06, or 243. It's about as prevalent as 35 Remington. You know... for all the bear in the woods of Kansas

 

[RussellC]

In Nebraska and Kansas, the .25-06 is held in high regard as a flat shooting, effective deer round with less recoil. That's where I first encountered it, and I'd like to own one someday.

The 6.5 Creedmore looks good on paper, but I'd worry about ammo availability in rural hunting areas.

Walmart is said to carry 6.5 CM.
I reload, so it matters not. The internet had it all over as well...


Russellc

 

[RussellC]

Do high end target shooters, Bench rest, long distance and so forth use 20-06? I have no idea.

Russellc

I will continue to wait, but doesnt anyone use 25-06 in competition?

Russellc

 

[Llama Bob]

I will continue to wait, but doesnt anyone use 25-06 in competition?

Russellc

I'm not aware of any discipline it's currently popular in. There's enough similarity between centerfire cartridges that it could be made to work at anything other than top level competition in many disciplines.

 

[sirgilligan]

Isn't it true that when comparing cartridges for hunting that you pick your cartridge based on the energy needed to penetrate to the vital organs at the distance you are willing to take the shot?

When you are shooting targets then wouldn't you pick the best cartridge based on the type of competition?

So, if we are talking hunting at 600 yards the articles charts would say the 270 Win beats the 25-06, that is in energy delivered to break that thick hide and penetrate to the vitals.

I agree with others, flat doesn't matter as much with our optics today, but if it matters to you then it matters to you.

If flat is what matters, then isn't the 25-06 the odd ball out? The new speed demons from Nosler in 26, 28, and 30, the good old Weatherby cartridges are still hanging around, etc.

I think the article is trying to revive a cartridge that has a loyal following but is not adopting any significant amount of new users. So, hey, be aware, there is this thing called the 25-06, maybe you would like one.

 

[sage5907]

When you really think about it this argument is rather silly. A 25-06 was always intended to be a hunting cartridge to be used in hunting rifles that were accurate and effective out to at least 500 yards. The rifles usually weigh about 8 1/2 pounds with normal hunting scopes. These hunting rifles cannot be compared to true long range rifles in 6 mm or 6.5 mm that weigh 12 pounds, have a custom barrel, and a scope that costs $3,500, and are only fired using a bipod. Why would you even want to compare the performance of a $900 rifle and scope to a $6,000 competition rifle? Also, the argument that there are no good long range 25 caliber bullets is pretty close to being dumb. It's not hard to get a 25-06 to shoot minute of angel out to 500 yards. Sierra, Speer and Berger all make bullets that will do it when matched up with good cases and powders like IMR 4831, Reloader 17, 22 and 25. Shooters who own a 25-06 don't need to rush out and buy a 6.5 mm rifle just because someone says there are no good 25 caliber long range bullets.

 

[cdb1]

Isn't it true that when comparing cartridges for hunting that you pick your cartridge based on the energy needed to penetrate to the vital organs at the distance you are willing to take the shot?

I'm sure that is a sensible way to do it. The way I go about it is to figure anything from .243 up works fine for deer and hog, anything from 6.5, .260 and 6.5x55 works well for deer, hog and elk. Then I get what floats my boat.

 

[someguy2800]

When you really think about it this argument is rather silly. A 25-06 was always intended to be a hunting cartridge to be used in hunting rifles that were accurate and effective out to at least 500 yards. The rifles usually weigh about 8 1/2 pounds with normal hunting scopes. These hunting rifles cannot be compared to true long range rifles in 6 mm or 6.5 mm that weigh 12 pounds, have a custom barrel, and a scope that costs $3,500, and are only fired using a bipod. Why would you even want to compare the performance of a $900 rifle and scope to a $6,000 competition rifle? Also, the argument that there are no good long range 25 caliber bullets is pretty close to being dumb. It's not hard to get a 25-06 to shoot minute of angel out to 500 yards. Sierra, Speer and Berger all make bullets that will do it when matched up with good cases and powders like IMR 4831, Reloader 17, 22 and 25. Shooters who own a 25-06 don't need to rush out and buy a 6.5 mm rifle just because someone says there are no good 25 caliber long range bullets.

The thing is the 6.5 creedmore is not just a benchrest cartridge. Many sporter weight hunting rifles such as the ruger American, tikka t3, weatherby vanguard and many others can now be had in 6.5 cm as well as many others. It's a fine cartridge. Doesn't really do much for the hunter beyond what many other cartridges already do but it's a good hunting cartridge. You can even chamber an ar10 in it.