25 acp or other mouse calibers!

[milemaker13]

Jframe- What is that little revolver in the top left, the one with the wooden grips. Very neat. Is that a loading lever under the barrel?

 

[toivo]

Jframe- What is that little revolver in the top left, the one with the wooden grips. Very neat. Is that a loading lever under the barrel?

I'm not JFrame, but I think it's a North American Arms, "The Earl."

https://northamericanarms.com/shop/firearms/naa-1860-3/

 

[Archie]

Well...I was a uniformed officer then a detective for a total of 36 years in a large metropolitan area..our Capital city...

Sounds promising.

But...I certainly do not consider myself an expert anything. Learning is..or should be an ongoing process!

Fair enough. I try to learn something at least occasionally. Even if I sound like a grumpy old know-it-all.

And I’m more than willing to consider your viewpoint, and anyone else who seems to state their opinion from an intelligent consideration of any known facts.

One thing of which I am certain, ending the onslaught of an attacker is more important than ending a life. If it is the same thing, that's the way it goes.

And I’m more than willing to consider your viewpoint, and anyone else who seems to state their opinion from an intelligent consideration of any known facts.What I try very hard not to do is tear someone else down, especially without actual knowledge of their life experience.

I spent twenty-eight years in federal law enforcement, armed and identified. I did not get paid to kill people, I got paid to enforce the law. And I couldn't cash my paycheck if dead.

I never was wounded by hostile action on duty. Nor did I ever shoot anyone. I arrested two people on murder warrants and 'handled' two known terrorists. Primarily, my knowledge of firearms and use in that specific sense comes from some training and a whole lot of debriefing other men who faced and 'neutralized' - in one sense or another - hostile adversaries and studied the results of many lethal encounters.

Yes, I've noted some people dying nearly instantly from what would seem to be 'minor' wounds and seemingly ignoring 'major' wounds. Those are typically the exceptions, not the mainstream. Picking a self-defense sidearm and caliber is a matter of following the odds. My conclusion is to carry the largest, heaviest load one can handle - subject to the demands of the agency if so limited.

 

[JFrame]

Jframe- What is that little revolver in the top left, the one with the wooden grips. Very neat. Is that a loading lever under the barrel?

I'm not JFrame, but I think it's a North American Arms, "The Earl."

https://northamericanarms.com/shop/firearms/naa-1860-3/

Hi -- sorry for the delay in responding.

Toivo is absolutely correct -- the piece is a NAA Earl. Mine came with .22 WMR and .22 LR cylinders.

The lever under the barrel is for releasing and retaining the cylinder pin. ☺

 

[grampajack]

There are documented cases, and plenty of them, of people using mouseguns to defend themselves, only to have a very PO'd bad guy proceed to take his frustration out on them. Now in all fairness, any caliber could lead to that given poor shot placement, but in many cases involving mouseguns you can document that the shooter was dead nuts on the ball. On the other hand, with calibers .380 and up, you can generally pin the failure on poor shot placement alone, and 9mm and up it's a very rare occasion where you can say that the round itself failed.

Case in point, an older couple were hijacked by a guy running from the cops and taken on an all day ride across the country. At one point, the gentleman drew his .22 revolver with a ~3.5'' barrel and shot the carjacker five times square in the chest. None of the rounds penetrated deeply enough to get to the heart or lungs. The carjacker then proceeds to beat the guy mercilessly with his own pistol, and it was another two hours before he went to the ER. Even then, he wasn't in any immediate danger, from blood loss or otherwise. The only reason he went in was the pain made him think he was seriously injured. Even .32 would have almost undoubtedly yielded satisfactory results in that case, and .380 would have been a gimme.

 

[milemaker13]

I saw a tiny black powder revolver in a pawn shop in CO many years ago. Not certain if it was NAA, but sure looked like one. It did not have an integral loading lever like a full size BP revolver,. But instead came with an independent loading press. I was young, didn't seem like something I needed.... Really wish I had picked it up.

 

[MedWheeler]

milemaker13 writes:

I saw a tiny black powder revolver in a pawn shop in CO many years ago. Not certain if it was NAA, but sure looked like one. It did not have an integral loading lever like a full size BP revolver,. But instead came with an independent loading press. I was young, didn't seem like something I needed.... Really wish I had picked it up.

It may well have been a NAA revolver; they do make a cap-n-ball mini, too (or did at least. I'm not sure if it's still on their site.)

 

[milemaker13]

It would have been a really neat little deal, especially with the loading press making it easier to load up.. how do you even load these little brass ' vest pocket' derringers? Lol, seems tricky at best.

 

[JFrame]

milemaker13 writes:



It may well have been a NAA revolver; they do make a cap-n-ball mini, too (or did at least. I'm not sure if it's still on their site.)

It would have been a really neat little deal, especially with the loading press making it easier to load up.. how do you even load these little brass ' vest pocket' derringers? Lol, seems tricky at best.

Here's the cap-and-ball accessories for the NAA Mini.

https://northamericanarms.com/parts/parts-cb/

Looks like a hoot...

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[toivo]

It would have been a really neat little deal, especially with the loading press making it easier to load up.. how do you even load these little brass ' vest pocket' derringers? Lol, seems tricky at best.

On the regular ones, you pull the cylinder pin and drop the cylinder out. Then you load up the cylinder, put it back in, and re-insert the pin.

For carry, there's a notch between each chamber. You want the hammer resting in the notch rather than on a live round. To get it there, you pull back on the hammer and then manually rotate the cylinder until one of the notches is under the hammer. Then you lower the hammer into the notch. Carefully. Very, very carefully.

 

[MedWheeler]

toivo writes (regarding the NAA mini-revolvers):

For carry, there's a notch between each chamber. You want the hammer resting in the notch rather than on a live round. To get it there, you pull back on the hammer and then manually rotate the cylinder until one of the notches is under the hammer. Then you lower the hammer into the notch. Carefully. Very, very carefully.

An alternative method that does away with handling the trigger or hammer is to leave the hammer at rest. Pull the pin and roll the cylinder out from the gun's right side. To re-install the cylinder, align a safety notch with the firing pin, which will be visible, and roll the cylinder into place. Do this while holding the frame in a "pinch grip" with the right hand (I use the thumb and middle finger) and the cylinder in the left. The butt of the gun is tucked into the web of the hand. As the cylinder rolls into place, include it in your pinch grip, holding it in as the cylinder turn lever will try to push it back out. With the left hand, insert the pin.

It sounds harder than it is, but it really requires no more practice than does the hold-the-hammer-and-mess-with-the-trigger method.

 

[MikeInOr]

My first carry gun 25 years ago was a .25acp CZ (Colt vest pocket clone). Then I bought a NAA Guardian in .32 when they first came out. Then bought an LCP in .380 a couple years ago. The LCP is bigger than the Guardan but a whole lot lighter and I like carrying it much more.
I never felt I was under armed carrying any of them. I figure if I just stay away from shoot outs on movie sets I should be fine. The LCP is bigger but about the same weight as my CZ .25... why carry a .25 when I can just as easily carry a .380.

I do own and XDs in .45 but usually only carry it when I am out hiking or camping.

I did just order a Kahr CM9 though... so I am not completely immune to internet hype!

 

[jstert]

i like mouse guns, like the amex card, “don’t leave home without it.” l to r: bond arms 380acp, bond arms 9mm, taurus pt25acp ply, naa guardian 32acp, naa survival mini 22lr.

 

[secamp32]

I used to carry a Seecamp .32 but had occasional nightmares about shooting a perp and him not even noticing. I switched to an LCP in .380 and haven't had that nightmare since. The LCP is bigger but lighter.