.41 Mag Association

[bannockburn]

RJM52

Go to gunblast.com/Hamm_Ruger-SA-GripFrames.htm for a very comprehensive listing of Ruger single action grip frames.

 

[NeroM]

No posts into 41 Mag forum in three weeks?
Has Corona paralyzed our trigger finger?
Been utilizing all the loads I didn't especially like from last winter for paper punching,
Otherwise spring house/yard chores have taken their time share

 

[WisBorn]

Finally could go to the range yesterday (reopened after coronavirus mandate).

Physical distancing worked ok. The 41 goes next time with 45's. Trigger therapy was great

 

[bangswitch]

Without going through all 65 pages here to see if this has been asked, what is the going price on a M57 in above average condition? 6" barrel preferred, but a 4" would be okay, too. Only real requirement would be a pinned and recessed model, so I suppose that would be a -2 or earlier?
I've gotten myself on a revolver kick, S&W magnums, specifically. I have a M19-3, and a M28-2, so I have a K-frame .357 and a N-frame .357. I thought I'd look for a N-frame .41 Magnum, and then a M29 N-frame .44 Magnum. Just wondering how much that's going to hurt when it comes to paying for them. I could go on and on with the models to look for, but the M28 is close enough to the M27, so I won't look at it, and not really interested in the M58.

 

[whm1974]

So what is the point of the .41 Magnum in 2020 now? I mean 10mm/.40 Cal is far more common now, both pistols and revolvers are aviable with suitable bullets for either one.

So how widespread is the availability of .41 Magnum ammunition anyway?

 

[Charlie98]

Has Corona paralyzed our trigger finger?

No, but it closed my nearby indoor ranges... same-same. They should be opening this week, but my work schedule is pretty full. I had 400rds of .41 set out for a shoot in Midland, TX that was postponed... so I finally put it away this week.

what is the going price on a M57 in above average condition?

Cruise GunBroker and you will find what they are going for these days. 'Above average' condition can mean a lot of things.

So how widespread is the availability of .41 Magnum ammunition anyway?

It's out there, but it's not everywhere, if you see what I mean. The .41 really is a handloaders cartridge, unless you shoot just a box a year or something. As far as the validity of the .41, you could discount about half of the pistol cartridges out there as redundant or obsolete.

 

[DR505]

I would love to be a member of this association! How many .41's must one have to join?
Model 58


Model 657-2


2 Model 657s

 

[whm1974]

What about the .41 AE Associaltion?

 

[Charlie98]

I would love to be a member of this association! How many .41's must one have to join?

I had one of those 6.5" Classic Hunters, before they boofed them all up in the custom shop. It remains the One Pistol I Regret Selling after all these years.

What about the .41 AE Associaltion?

If it has .41 in the title, you are good to go. Even a Letter of Intent to Buy qualifies you for limited benefits...

 

[whm1974]

If it has .41 in the title, you are good to go. Even a Letter of Intent to Buy qualifies you for limited benefits...

Are there brass catchers for semi auto pistols? The .41 AE is basically a hand loaders only cartridge, and auto loaders have a high tendency to throw brass everywhere and anywhere....

 

[Charlie98]

The craziest thing I've ever seen was a brass catcher that looped over your hand... Other than that, they make stand-alone catchers that look like a fishing or pool net on a pole you can adjust.

 

[RJM52]

bangswitch....if you are looking for a 4" or 6" 57 P&R that would be a no- gun made from 1964 to 1981.

Price will depend on condition, original grips and accessories.

For a 6" 1970-1981 vintage gun with no box, paperwork or original Target grips expect to pay $7-850... 4" slightly higher... For a LNIB 60s vintage gun with the original Cokes $2K+.

Average price for a nice gun, no box with original grips...$900-1150...

 

[RJM52]

So what is the point of the .41 Magnum in 2020 now? I mean 10mm/.40 Cal is far more common now, both pistols and revolvers are available with suitable bullets for either one.

So how widespread is the availability of .41 Magnum ammunition anyway?

There are actually more companies making .41 Magnum with a bigger variety of loads than ever before. And now that .41 Special brass is commercially available there are small companies making Special also...

That said, there are fewer makers of .41 handguns than ever before. Ruger only has the Blackhawk in two barrel lengths, Freedom Arms 97 and 83 and S&W 6" Classic. That and Henry has their 16.5" and 20 Carbines.

Over the last 5 years Ruger has made a lot of specialty runs as Distributor Specials.
Redhawk 4.3"
Redhawk 2.75"
Blackhawk Stainless 4 5/8" and 6.5"
Blackhawk Flatop 4 5/8" and 6/5"
Blackhawk Stainless Bisley 5.5"
Super Redhawk 6.5"
...but try and find any of them today...sad...

 

[whm1974]

So why didn't Remington come out with the .41 Special at the same time as they did the .41 Magnum in the first place? That would be been more suitable for police work, and for Citizen Self Defense to begin with.

 

[RealGun]

So why didn't Remington come out with the .41 Special at the same time as they did the .41 Magnum in the first place? That would be been more suitable for police work, and for Citizen Self Defense to begin with.

I believe that is usually done in collaboration with a gun manufacturer ready to commit to a supporting platform. I expect demand originates with the gun maker. I have a 41 Special conversion of a GP100, a gun properly scaled to the size of the cartridge and its pressure level. Brass is available from Starline. Data is out their for reloading. It can use 41 Magnum bullets. The problem is folks wanting to shoot ammo they can buy a box at a time from the local gunshop. That is not realistic. Like with many other cartridges, the 41 Specials are for reloaders.

My custom gun is worth about $1400. To get that down to the standard GP100 territory, then Ruger would have to commit to it for more than a distributor one-off run, which wouldn't happen without some ammo maker on board or clamorous demand from reloaders. With the popularity of pocket guns these days, I don't see that happening.

 

[Charlie98]

So why didn't Remington come out with the .41 Special at the same time as they did the .41 Magnum in the first place? That would be been more suitable for police work, and for Citizen Self Defense to begin with.

If you look at the ammunition that came out with the gun, the answer was.... a full-power load, and a mid-level load in the same pistol. Remember, in the '60's, Specials were out, Magnums were in... everyone wanted a Magnum. Further, it's easier to scale ammo down from a big capacity case, than to try to hot-rod a smaller capacity case up (think .38SPC +P.)

 

[NeroM]

If you look at the ammunition that came out with the gun, the answer was.... a full-power load, and a mid-level load in the same pistol. Remember, in the '60's, Specials were out, Magnums were in... everyone wanted a Magnum. Further, it's easier to scale ammo down from a big capacity case, than to try to hot-rod a smaller capacity case up (think .38SPC +P.)

Agree, in part- during the 60s magnums were being introduced, which overshadowed regular cartridges.
Not sure I agree with your suggestion that it is easier to scale down from a big case, as many "magnums" evolved from hot loadings. 357, 44 and 454 are examples. Easy to hot load a 45 colt to nearly 454 levels, harder to load 454 to 45 colt level.

 

[Walkalong]

Easy to hot load a 45 colt to nearly 454 levels, harder to load 454 to 45 colt level.

I would say they are both easy.

 

[NeroM]

I would say they are both easy.

Have been loading both for sometime.
With 270 gr SAA or CPC 265 gr bullets, loading 9.5-10 gr of Unique or CFP-P into 45 Colt case makes a highly effective and consistent load at around 1000 fps. These are so called mid-level loads, perhaps 20k psi.
Same bullets in 454 loaded down to around 1000 fps with approx 10 gr of unique, CFE-P, power pistol, long shot, and even trail boss results in 454 loads that are less consistent than similar 45 colt loads.

 

[Charlie98]

Easy to hot load a 45 colt to nearly 454 levels, harder to load 454 to 45 colt level.

Oh, it's easy to load .45 Colt to .454 levels... till you accidentally load one of those in something less than a old Blackhawk. What I meant by that is the whole process of taking a cartridge to a higher level while maintaining the same brass and firearm. Yes, .357 and .44MAG came from the .38 and .44SPC respectively... in bigger brass and sturdier firearms. My thought... and I don't know if this was true outside of my 'Magnum-era' thoughts and they just didn't care about a .41SPC... is you can take a cartridge and firearm chambered in, in our example the .41MAG, and offer a downloaded cartridge without any sort of duplication or re-engineering. Yes, you still have the size and weight of the .41MAG firearm.

 

[WisBorn]

As a non reloader does anyone have any experience with the 41 mag HSM Cowboy load. It's a 210 grain SWC advertised at 969 muzzle velocity and 438 energy. I think it would make a nice target load and not bad CCW load. Any experience or other loads you would recomend?
Safe shooting

 

[dawei]

As a nonreloader does anyone have any experience with the 41 mag HSM Cowboy load. It's a 210-grain SWC advertised at 969 muzzle velocity and 438 energy. I think it would make a nice target load and not a bad CCW load. Any experience or other loads you would recommend?
Safe shooting

It is accurate and very pleasant to shoot and will serve you well.

 

[RealGun]

As a non reloader does anyone have any experience with the 41 mag HSM Cowboy load. It's a 210 grain SWC advertised at 969 muzzle velocity and 438 energy. I think it would make a nice target load and not bad CCW load. Any experience or other loads you would recomend?
Safe shooting

I have ammo prepared in case I need to use my 6" 41 Mag NM Blackhawk Flat Top as a backup for SASS. It is 6.2 gr of Trailboss with a 215 gr Lead SWC. It has also served as an easy going target load. The minimum load per Hodgdon is 4.5 gr., max 6.5.

Note that SWC is not a good bullet profile to run in a lever gun, should that application ever come up.

 

[Dudemeister]

A few weeks ago I bought a model 57 at an estate sale, but due to the COVID-19 situation it took almost 3 weeks to arrange the PPT transfer. Next Monday I should be able to pick up my new acquisition. In anticipation, I already bought a few things to get started.

 

[RJM52]

Dude...if that die set didn't come with the Lee Carbide Factory Crimp Die would recommend you buy one especially if you are going to use plated bullets that don't have a crimping groove... The Berry's plated bullet is my favorite plinking/taget shooting bullet and the Lee CFCD does a great job. 8.0 grains of Unique is extremely accurate...

Bob