V4Vendetta
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I don't have any local ranges. I have to travel 50.67 miles just to get the gun. I do however, have a large rural back-yard. I'll kill a few empty peanut butter jars at 30 feet to see the effect's.
A Shotgun, Me & a Bandit.
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Get a Mossberg 500/590 with ghost ring sights and a fixed stock. You can add features as you get used to the weapon. Don't get anything without a stock.
You can use #6 or #7 magnum shotgun shells. At the distances you're talking about the pattern won't even open up before the BG gets hit. This also means that you'll need to aim instead of point the gun if you want to hit the BG.
You could try to hold the guy until the cops get there, but what are you going to do if he simply refuses to obey and walks out of the store? If you shoot him it's tatamount to murder and you and your family will suffer horribly at the hands of the legal system.
You can use #6 or #7 magnum shotgun shells. At the distances you're talking about the pattern won't even open up before the BG gets hit. This also means that you'll need to aim instead of point the gun if you want to hit the BG.
You could try to hold the guy until the cops get there, but what are you going to do if he simply refuses to obey and walks out of the store? If you shoot him it's tatamount to murder and you and your family will suffer horribly at the hands of the legal system.
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Calling a challenge to a gun-in-hand armed BG could result in his turning and firing at you. Can you react and shoot before the BG does? You have to decide (slowing reaction time) if he is turning to run (no shoot) or turning to attack (shoot). If shooting is necessary, I don't think I would give any warning. It depends on the situation, but be careful about giving up the element of surprise.
Don't assume that the BG will react in any particular way. What if you challenge him and he shoots whoever is in front of his gun and then attacks. He might figure that he can disable one opponent and that the shot would stun the challenger, giving himself a better chance of shooting it out.
Maybe the BG isn't rational or can't afford to be arrested [again?] or who knows?
Don't assume that the BG will react in any particular way. What if you challenge him and he shoots whoever is in front of his gun and then attacks. He might figure that he can disable one opponent and that the shot would stun the challenger, giving himself a better chance of shooting it out.
Maybe the BG isn't rational or can't afford to be arrested [again?] or who knows?
The gubment must be shakin in their boots after reading that one!
They arn't already? Or you'll go down to the store, buy it, come back, then load it when the time comes?
I'm only 19, I own three handguns. In one case, the legal owner is my father... understand? You just gotta be creative and/or pursuasive.
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"I'm only 19, I own three handguns. In one case, the legal owner is my father... understand? You just gotta be creative and/or pursuasive."
OK. I tried that. My dad won't buy me a pistol even if I give him the money to buy it.
As for me saying that the rounds in the shotgun will be OO buck, I don't have the shotgun yet. So how can I load it with anything?
OK. I tried that. My dad won't buy me a pistol even if I give him the money to buy it.
As for me saying that the rounds in the shotgun will be OO buck, I don't have the shotgun yet. So how can I load it with anything?V4Vendetta
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wdlsguy said:
I did check that law several times. It's on the internet, it's on a big sign over the gun area at Walmart.
DANG! I'm sorry to ask this but I've gotta know - are you part rabid pitbull? What are the voices telling you today? I mean really! You already posted saying you wished you had a handgun so you could have confronted/shot or "bluffed" a shoplifter over a $9.00 item!!!!!!!!! 
Grow up! (THAT'S NOT A REFLECTION ON YOUR AGE!) Shooting and/or killing someone is not all that you seem to think it is. It is NOT fun, glamorous nor will it make you a "big man"! Ask any of us that have had to take a life in war or on the streets. It WILL change your life and NOT for the better (I'm not even talking about all the legal issues). Based on your post re: the handgun/shoplifter and this one, I think you need some help (or another hobby or a girlfriend, something!)! You said that to keep your Dad safe, you wouldn't do anything until the BG was heading out (danger OVER) and then if he did ANYTHING other than freeze you'd blast him. Are you that anxious to spend time in prison??? I'm hoping that this is all immaturity and naivity and I'll treat it as such, so let me explain something - if they're leaving, the threat is over and you are NOT allowed by law to use deadly force. Shoot him in the back - go to prison. Real simple. IF he gets away and the scumbag comes back before the cops catch up to him, shoot him and let the DA know you had been held at gunpoint by Mr. BG before and feared for your life. Otherwise, once he's heading out the door, lock it behind him and call the cops. No, they're not the only ones that should be allowed to have guns, etc. but they DO have more leeway legally than you do. If you as a citizen cannot shoot them WHILE being DIRECTLY threatened then you don't have a right to pull the trigger. We can because he is NOW an armed felon. He doesn't follow our orders - he's a dead felon.
HTH,
Mike
Grow up! (THAT'S NOT A REFLECTION ON YOUR AGE!) Shooting and/or killing someone is not all that you seem to think it is. It is NOT fun, glamorous nor will it make you a "big man"! Ask any of us that have had to take a life in war or on the streets. It WILL change your life and NOT for the better (I'm not even talking about all the legal issues). Based on your post re: the handgun/shoplifter and this one, I think you need some help (or another hobby or a girlfriend, something!)! You said that to keep your Dad safe, you wouldn't do anything until the BG was heading out (danger OVER) and then if he did ANYTHING other than freeze you'd blast him. Are you that anxious to spend time in prison??? I'm hoping that this is all immaturity and naivity and I'll treat it as such, so let me explain something - if they're leaving, the threat is over and you are NOT allowed by law to use deadly force. Shoot him in the back - go to prison. Real simple. IF he gets away and the scumbag comes back before the cops catch up to him, shoot him and let the DA know you had been held at gunpoint by Mr. BG before and feared for your life. Otherwise, once he's heading out the door, lock it behind him and call the cops. No, they're not the only ones that should be allowed to have guns, etc. but they DO have more leeway legally than you do. If you as a citizen cannot shoot them WHILE being DIRECTLY threatened then you don't have a right to pull the trigger. We can because he is NOW an armed felon. He doesn't follow our orders - he's a dead felon.
HTH,
Mike
V4Vendetta said:
Here is the source of confusion.
NC law allows purchase/possession, etc. of a handgun by anyone who is not a minor (defined as under 18) who is not otherwise prohibited.
Federal law prohibits the purchase/sale to someone under 21 in 18 USC 922(b)(1).
So, NC can allow it, but the FFL would still be prohibited from transferring the firearm.
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"You already posted saying you wished you had a handgun so you could have confronted/shot or "bluffed" a shoplifter over a $9.00 item!!!!!!!!! "
Calm down. It's not the item, it's the principle. I don't believe I said I would shoot him over a $9.00 item. He had 2 tough looking friends with him. I wanted a gun in case things went sour.
Calm down. It's not the item, it's the principle. I don't believe I said I would shoot him over a $9.00 item. He had 2 tough looking friends with him. I wanted a gun in case things went sour.
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It's like that old TV show "Kung Fu". The real trick is learning how to deal with situations without resorting to violence (i.e.shooting). It should only be a last resort. It's hard to see what's in one's heart in a text environment, but V4, you just don't come off as 'ready'. Think "finesse". Good luck, young man.
wdlsguy said:
You must be 21 and have a permit to purchase or a CCW. You CAN possess a handgun at 18 though. The only way I can see this legally occurring is for a parent to buy the handgun then allow the 18-20 year old to use it. Notice I said use it not give it to them.
Here is the NC Firearm laws Page 28 for possession laws http://www.jus.state.nc.us/NCJA/ncfirearmslaws.pdf
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hso said:
do not use #6 or #7 shot!!! #1 buck or larger only! magnum loads with birdshot just mean more weight. it doesnt penetrate far enough. you might kill him, you might not with birdshot. but its not unheard of for people to get hit with birdshot at close range and still be able to walk out to the ambulance when it gets there.
AIM ALL SHOTS!!! shotguns are not a room clearing wonder weapon. unless youve spent the time to get really good, its easy to miss completely with a shotgun. think of your shotgun as a rifle. aim and shoot. close range the pattern is only gonna spread out to 3 inch diameter anyway. that allows for maybe a inch worth of bad shot placement. get some paper plates and stapel em to sticks. see what your gun really does at what distance.
a personal oppinion, a bone stock mossberg 500 or rem 870 is perfect. at that distance bead sight is great. ghost sights are neat but arent that important. whats important is that you spend lots and lots of time shooting so that if the real thing ever comes everything is a natural action. 18 inch barrel is good for behind the counter for maneuverability. ALSO, KEEP IN MIND THAT IF SOME KID COMES INTO YOUR STORE AND ACCIDENTALLY GETS AHOLD OF THE SHOTGUN.... YOUR IN BIG TROUBLE!!!! always think ahead for every possibility when it comes to kids. its amasing what they can get into the second you look away.
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yomama said:
If you read my last few posts, you would see that I never said that. You have no idea what your talking about. This topic is off. Please lock it.
I'm not convinced of this yet, see below.
Agreed. Can an 18 year old get a permit to purchase a handgun? If not, I agree, you need to be 21.
"This statute [G.S. § 14-315] further provides that it is a Class H felony for a person to sell, offer for sale, give, or in any way transfer to a person less than 18 years of age any handgun as defined in G.S. § 14-269.7."
Assuming an 18 year old can get a permit to purchase a handgun in North Carolina, I can't see why he/she can't buy one from a private party there.
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yomama said:
Yes, insulting this young man repeatedly is a much better course of action than trying to help him.
V4Vendetta, the people that have suggested you take a CCW course are right on. Sure, you can't carry a handgun yet, but is there any reason you can't take the course anyway just to get the education and advice? Aside from distance and monetary concerns, I suppose.
Please stick around and continue reading and learning here. There's a huge wealth of information and good advice if you're willing to sort through the small amount of snorting and bravado you'll run across.
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Thanks for the advice dogwielder. I will stick around, but I'm tired of age bashing & hate mongerer's which is practicly all there is now with a select few being nice. You being one of the few.
In a nutshell: just about all of hso's advice is dead on. Only produce a firearm in a situation that already appears to be a serious threat to life or limb.
Take a CCW class when you can. Not only will it be good practice, but also lawful use of force in your state will be covered in detail.
If someone is threatening with a firearm, and you're holding a firearm, shoot to stop. No verbal commands, no tell-tale noises, just stop the threat. You have a LITTLE more lattitude if the BG is holding a manual weapon, but at close range, not much.
Take a CCW class when you can. It'd be great if you could persuade your folks to take one, too.
We were all your age once. Some of us have just forgotten.
John
Take a CCW class when you can. Not only will it be good practice, but also lawful use of force in your state will be covered in detail.
If someone is threatening with a firearm, and you're holding a firearm, shoot to stop. No verbal commands, no tell-tale noises, just stop the threat. You have a LITTLE more lattitude if the BG is holding a manual weapon, but at close range, not much.
Take a CCW class when you can. It'd be great if you could persuade your folks to take one, too.
We were all your age once. Some of us have just forgotten.
John
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V4Vendetta said:
You sure did. Just a few posts earlier:
V4Vendetta said:
I'm not sure I ought to even respond to this thread. Moderators - if you think this is out of line PM me, I'll delete it, or you do so, and I'll not be offended.
I've seen way too much immaturity displayed here to think you have any business around a firearm right now. I worry about your judgment. You talk about taking actions with total disregard to consequences. Talk such as, if you don't like it, you'll run away to Alaska; and using a firearm to bluff and muscle people. If you are upset at people criticizing you for sounding like a child, its because these are the thoughts of one. And now that the discussion has become uncomfortable, you've asked that the topic be locked to prevent further discussion. Reminds me of someone storming off with their arms crossed when they don't get their own way. . . .
You speak in veiled references in your posts, not just this one, of owning your own business, yet its quite obvious you don't. You talk of paying your parents rent to live under their roof and complain about their rules, but don't receive any income from this job and speak of no other, as this occupies all your time.
As a 17 yr old, I was young and naive, too. I can understand and forgive that. I'm having serious problems with your credibility and honesty right now. And there is NO WAY I'm going to back your attitude to have a gun to do the things you're thinking outloud about here.
Your Mom and Dad obviously have misgivings about you owning a firearm right now. They no doubt love you, because they let you live with them, and employ you. I'm gonna respect Dad's opinion about not letting you own a gun; he doesn't sound like an unreasonable man.
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v4vendetta,
Ok, I know where you're at now. Let me recommend the Grandview Firearems Training Center, website is gftc.com. It's a good place to learn and the guys and gals there can help you out. I used to live around the Tobaccoville area so I know what you're getting into. Folks around there can come in 2 basic varities, good and bad. The bad ones are either stupid or lazy but who wants to put themselves at their mercy? You may not be able to legally own a handgun yet but if you get the training and update on relevant laws you will be ahead of the curve when you do come of age.
Good Luck!
Ok, I know where you're at now. Let me recommend the Grandview Firearems Training Center, website is gftc.com. It's a good place to learn and the guys and gals there can help you out. I used to live around the Tobaccoville area so I know what you're getting into. Folks around there can come in 2 basic varities, good and bad. The bad ones are either stupid or lazy but who wants to put themselves at their mercy? You may not be able to legally own a handgun yet but if you get the training and update on relevant laws you will be ahead of the curve when you do come of age.
Good Luck!
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