Accurate BB/Pellet Pistol?
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Thanks all! I was actually looking at the (I think) new Umarex Colt SAA BB gun, but after some research I found out that pellet guns are usually more accurate.
I really am looking for about the most accurate gun that is ~$200 or a bit more. The Daisy Avanti 747 looks very good, it appears to have the Lothar Walther barrel? Is the Walther barrel worth the premium over the Avanti 717?
As for the Crossman 1377, I've heard this is a very upgradable gun? Where can I find a Lothar Walther barrel for one? I might go that route as it looks like this gun would be less muzzle heavy than the Daisy 717/747. I might also upgrade the sights and trigger (if possible) if I want to.
Still looking for the right pellet gun guys, thank you all SO MUCH for your help. Someone mentioned the price of .22 rimfire shooting as boosting the airgun market, and for me, that's exactly right. Not only that, I want the ability to have accurate target practice indoors when I can't get outside.
I really am looking for about the most accurate gun that is ~$200 or a bit more. The Daisy Avanti 747 looks very good, it appears to have the Lothar Walther barrel? Is the Walther barrel worth the premium over the Avanti 717?
As for the Crossman 1377, I've heard this is a very upgradable gun? Where can I find a Lothar Walther barrel for one? I might go that route as it looks like this gun would be less muzzle heavy than the Daisy 717/747. I might also upgrade the sights and trigger (if possible) if I want to.
Still looking for the right pellet gun guys, thank you all SO MUCH for your help. Someone mentioned the price of .22 rimfire shooting as boosting the airgun market, and for me, that's exactly right. Not only that, I want the ability to have accurate target practice indoors when I can't get outside.
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Of course it's worth it, if you are looking to hit the ten every time. If you, like most of us, aren't that good, and just want to work on your shooting, then no, it's not.
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A little trick for improving the accuracy of the pistol (I got it, now) you choose:
Spread the skirt of the pellets so they are a better fit in the barrel will often help quite a bit on most pellet air guns.
And, like .22 rimfires, it can take some experimenting with different pellets to find the best one for any particular gun.
So, if the one you choose is initially disappointing, don't give up on it too soon.
Works for rifles, too.
Spread the skirt of the pellets so they are a better fit in the barrel will often help quite a bit on most pellet air guns.
And, like .22 rimfires, it can take some experimenting with different pellets to find the best one for any particular gun.
So, if the one you choose is initially disappointing, don't give up on it too soon.
Works for rifles, too.
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Those daisy guns are very good.
http://www.crosman.com/custom-shop/ will let you build your own just like you want. Lothar Walther barrel and all.
http://www.crosman.com/custom-shop/ will let you build your own just like you want. Lothar Walther barrel and all.
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At 17 hundred bucks and with a machine rest it dern well better shoot a one hold group at 10 meters.
Was that done with a P44?
Was that done with a P44?
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Pete D., good for you, but back here in the real world you'll find that is well, WELL, above my price point. Bravo on your machine rest's efforts, but please read the thread before posting.
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VERY cool! I made mine with a 10.1" Lothar Walther barrel .177 caliber, Williams notch side, black trigger shoe, and right handed walnut grips. But... is this gun any good? Should I buy it? Will it be as accurate as the Daisy Avanti 747 for about the same price??
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I would imagine the daisy will likely be more accurate and repeatable as folks actually use them for 10m stuff.
By most accounts the crosman custom gun will be very very good. They really are a bit like a Ruger mark II of the Airgun world. If there is something you don't like there is probably an aftermarket replacement for it.
My take is the crosman will feel like a better gun. More steel, walnut grips etc. where the daisy will likely have a bit better trigger out of the box.
The one major difference to keep in mind is the daisy or really any single stroke pneumatic will generally be very very quiet. Most Co2 guns let out quite a bark. If you are not familiar with shooting Airguns I imagine you will be surprised at how much louder you perceive them to be then your brain thinks they should be. They are not pfffffft quiet. Just something to keep in mind.
By most accounts the crosman custom gun will be very very good. They really are a bit like a Ruger mark II of the Airgun world. If there is something you don't like there is probably an aftermarket replacement for it.
My take is the crosman will feel like a better gun. More steel, walnut grips etc. where the daisy will likely have a bit better trigger out of the box.
The one major difference to keep in mind is the daisy or really any single stroke pneumatic will generally be very very quiet. Most Co2 guns let out quite a bark. If you are not familiar with shooting Airguns I imagine you will be surprised at how much louder you perceive them to be then your brain thinks they should be. They are not pfffffft quiet. Just something to keep in mind.
I would also suggest that the CO2 guns are going to have certain issues with velocity changes as the temperatures change, this includes as you shoot, if you aren't spacing your shooting out enough.
Again, really, how accurate do you want? Are you good enough for this stuff to matter?
Again, really, how accurate do you want? Are you good enough for this stuff to matter?
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Thanks!
About that Crosman custom, how many shots will I get per Co2 cartridge?
About that Crosman custom, how many shots will I get per Co2 cartridge?
The 2240 is tuned for maximum power. You will get fewer shots, and they will be loud. That might sound like more fun, but you may quickly get tired of it, shooting indoors. I doubt you will get much more than 30, with the power starting to noticeably drop after the first 15. Maybe 20, if you space your shots out long enough.
IME, you don't want to leave a CO2 in overnight, either. The gas permeates the rubber O-rings, or something, and causes them to leak.
If you are willing to spend $200.00 on a decent gun, you might consider buying a cheap multi-pump 1377 and seeing what it is you can expect. CO2 and pneumatics shoot and sound pretty similar for the same power levels. With a multi pump, you can experiment with different power levels.
At normal indoor-distances, you will not be able to tell a LW barrel from Chinese junk until you are pretty darn good.
IME, you don't want to leave a CO2 in overnight, either. The gas permeates the rubber O-rings, or something, and causes them to leak.
If you are willing to spend $200.00 on a decent gun, you might consider buying a cheap multi-pump 1377 and seeing what it is you can expect. CO2 and pneumatics shoot and sound pretty similar for the same power levels. With a multi pump, you can experiment with different power levels.
At normal indoor-distances, you will not be able to tell a LW barrel from Chinese junk until you are pretty darn good.
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Thanks Gloob!
Super exciting guys, I can't wait to get my first air pistol. So many decisions, still looking!
Super exciting guys, I can't wait to get my first air pistol. So many decisions, still looking!
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I believe that my endorsement of the Crosman 717/747 shows that I am aware of the posted limits.
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My apology. I did not mean to shake anyone's tree.....as my other post in this thread has shown. The point was to offer an accuracy standard against which other guns could be played if it came to that.
I believe that my endorsement of the Crosman 717/747 shows that I am aware of the posted limits.
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I'd still lean towards a quality German make!
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Thanks!
SO many decisions!
SO many decisions!
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I do exactly what the OP is looking to do, target practice indoors. I have used a Crosman 1377 for years, the gun is more accurate than I am. I recently started to do more shooting with my kids and was getting tired of pumping the thing up. I went with a plain old Crosman 2240 route and couldn't be happier, well maybe if I went to custom route.
If I were looking to spend $200 on an indoor target gun it would be spent at the crosman custom shop. You can get the match grade barrel with nice grips and sights. The CO2 may be an issue with cold weather shooting but the OP is looking for indoor practice which CO2 is perfect for.
I get about 40 shots per CO2 before the POI starts to drop. I can get 25 packs of CO2 for $15 locally, so about $0.015/shot.
If I were looking to spend $200 on an indoor target gun it would be spent at the crosman custom shop. You can get the match grade barrel with nice grips and sights. The CO2 may be an issue with cold weather shooting but the OP is looking for indoor practice which CO2 is perfect for.
I get about 40 shots per CO2 before the POI starts to drop. I can get 25 packs of CO2 for $15 locally, so about $0.015/shot.
Walmart sells 40 for 20 bucks, just a little bit cheaper, if you care.
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Thanks, I did not know that.
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Very cool guys!
I was thinking about avoiding Co2 in order to keep cost down, but seems it should shoot very cheaply compared to .22 LR?
How is that Crosman custom shot Co2 gun? Is it accurate with the Lothar Walther barrel? How is the trigger pull?
I'd be buying it with the 10.1" Lothar Walther barrel, Williams notch sight, and with Walnut grips. Should I get a trigger shoe for a few dollars more?
I was thinking about avoiding Co2 in order to keep cost down, but seems it should shoot very cheaply compared to .22 LR?
How is that Crosman custom shot Co2 gun? Is it accurate with the Lothar Walther barrel? How is the trigger pull?
I'd be buying it with the 10.1" Lothar Walther barrel, Williams notch sight, and with Walnut grips. Should I get a trigger shoe for a few dollars more?
Could I suggest maybe having a look around at the Gateway to Airguns site? lot of people around here who shoot airguns but there are a whole lot more over there, and tons of people who have experience with every possible configuration of these different guns.
As said before, yes. Very accurate. More accurate that you are. If you think a 2240 is not accurate, put the shoulder stock and a scope on it and shoot it off of bags. Put your unsupported 10 M target back up and you can connect the dots. And that's with a stock barrel.
I wouldn't bother with a LW on a pistol unless I planned to shoot it out of a vice. But maybe you're that good.
If you want competition accuracy, I would spend it on something with a better trigger than a Crosman. Something with a trigger adjustable down to half a lb, or so, before I'd outfit a 2240 with a LW barrel. That's going to do more for your groups, IMO. The Daisy 747 has a good adjustable trigger and decent sights.
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