Accurate BB/Pellet Pistol?
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Alright guys, I did it.
I just got a Daisy Avanti 747 Triumph Match from Pyramid Air, with a tin of 500 count RWS Meisterkugeln Pistol .177 Cal 7.0 grain wadcutters and also a Gamo collapsible pellet trap that comes with 100 paper targets. Here are links to them from Pyramid Air:
The gun:
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Daisy_Avanti_747_Triumph_Match/308
The pellets:
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/p/RWS_Meisterkugeln_Pistol_177_Cal_7_0_Grains_Wadcutter_500ct/219
The trap:
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Gamo_Cone_Pellet_Trap_Collapsible_100_Paper_Targets/70
What do you all think?? Will this be a good starter setup? This is a whole new world to me, I don't know how to go about breaking in my new air pistol or how to clean it etc. Any tip would be welcome! I CAN'T WAIT to get this gun, I got the two day free shipping and it should be here by Friday. To say that I am anxious is a gross understatement, man I love getting things off the internet... it's like Christmas morning on demand!
Thanks so much guys for your help. I had no idea where to even start with air guns, but you all changed that for me. I'm really hoping this new Daisy 747 will be the accurate and reliable target pellet gun I'm hoping it will be. Again, I got this gun because I love shooting (mostly centerfire) but boy is it expensive, and so I can shoot indoors during inclement weather. It will let me practice my marksmanship for much less money and be more convenient and I also bought it just for fun in general.
Thanks again everyone, range report to follow!
PS: If you have any tip on breaking in/cleaning an air pistol that would be greatly appreciated!
I just got a Daisy Avanti 747 Triumph Match from Pyramid Air, with a tin of 500 count RWS Meisterkugeln Pistol .177 Cal 7.0 grain wadcutters and also a Gamo collapsible pellet trap that comes with 100 paper targets. Here are links to them from Pyramid Air:
The gun:
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Daisy_Avanti_747_Triumph_Match/308
The pellets:
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/p/RWS_Meisterkugeln_Pistol_177_Cal_7_0_Grains_Wadcutter_500ct/219
The trap:
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Gamo_Cone_Pellet_Trap_Collapsible_100_Paper_Targets/70
What do you all think?? Will this be a good starter setup? This is a whole new world to me, I don't know how to go about breaking in my new air pistol or how to clean it etc. Any tip would be welcome! I CAN'T WAIT to get this gun, I got the two day free shipping and it should be here by Friday. To say that I am anxious is a gross understatement, man I love getting things off the internet... it's like Christmas morning on demand!
Thanks so much guys for your help. I had no idea where to even start with air guns, but you all changed that for me. I'm really hoping this new Daisy 747 will be the accurate and reliable target pellet gun I'm hoping it will be. Again, I got this gun because I love shooting (mostly centerfire) but boy is it expensive, and so I can shoot indoors during inclement weather. It will let me practice my marksmanship for much less money and be more convenient and I also bought it just for fun in general.
Thanks again everyone, range report to follow!
PS: If you have any tip on breaking in/cleaning an air pistol that would be greatly appreciated!
I think you will like it just fine.
I'm curious how the stock sights work out. The blade looks a bit fat for precision target shooting.
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You are off and away, I have the same trap, and I shoot the same pellets among others.
Myself, I would have gotten a German make or even the P17 from China which many think is one of the best buy for the money out their.
Here's a few links that you may find helpful:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=forum
http://www.airgunforum.ca/forums/index.php?sid=99a15ecf77337271f1595c35a3ae5f0c
All of the above will be very informative to a new or old air gunner.
Myself, I would have gotten a German make or even the P17 from China which many think is one of the best buy for the money out their.
Here's a few links that you may find helpful:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=forum
http://www.airgunforum.ca/forums/index.php?sid=99a15ecf77337271f1595c35a3ae5f0c
All of the above will be very informative to a new or old air gunner.
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Cleaning? Get some .177 felt cleaning pellets, & I clean mine with mineral oil from the drug store, this is not a lube just a fine cleaning oil and will not harm any seals or other components. Using felt pellets there is no way you can damage the fine rifling in the barrel.
You also should get a small bottle of chamber lube
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/RWS_Air_Chamber_Lube_Dropper_Silicone_Oil_50_oz/3002
a drop or two every few tins will help keep the piston & chamber in tip notch shape.
You also should get a small bottle of chamber lube
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/RWS_Air_Chamber_Lube_Dropper_Silicone_Oil_50_oz/3002
a drop or two every few tins will help keep the piston & chamber in tip notch shape.
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Thanks so much guys! The last pellet pistol I owned was a Walther P99 copy with rotary 8 shot magazine and Co2 powered, back when I graduated middle school LOL! It's been some time since then to say the least, about a decade or better. I liked the gun, but got into centerfire and rimfire shooting shortly therafter.
With the cost of both types of ammo on the climb, and the dubious legality of shooting real ammunition indoors (not to mention the practical and safety issues) has led me to air guns once again. I hope with this Daisy 747 that I'll have a good and precise target gun for indoor paper target and silhouette/plinking shooting.
I want to thank each and every one of you, my friends, for taking the time to help me. It's a wonderful site we are on and the knowledge we can share is just amazing!
With the cost of both types of ammo on the climb, and the dubious legality of shooting real ammunition indoors (not to mention the practical and safety issues) has led me to air guns once again. I hope with this Daisy 747 that I'll have a good and precise target gun for indoor paper target and silhouette/plinking shooting.
I want to thank each and every one of you, my friends, for taking the time to help me. It's a wonderful site we are on and the knowledge we can share is just amazing!
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Thanks! I just bought an Umarex air rifle/air pistol cleaning kit from Wal Mart. It has a .17 and .22 brush set and a flexible cleaning rod.
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Using the RWS pellets you linked to earlier I seriously doubt you need anything other than an oiled patch to clean the barrel. RWS pellets are very clean, now Crossman are a different story. Suggest you don't even mess with GAMO.
BTW those are excellent pellets for target use, you can get better but they will cost 3 times as much.
BTW those are excellent pellets for target use, you can get better but they will cost 3 times as much.
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Thanks! They had really good reviews and I read were someone got good groups with my gun and the 7 grain pellets so I'd figure I'd start with these.
If I were to bench rest the gun at 10 yards, how do you think the Daisy 747 would do with these pellets or rather how it it do with a type of pellets it really likes? What group size do you think it would get? Obviously I am not going to be more accurate than the gun, but I'm still curious to see if these guns are as accurate as a rimfire or centerfire pistol.
If I were to bench rest the gun at 10 yards, how do you think the Daisy 747 would do with these pellets or rather how it it do with a type of pellets it really likes? What group size do you think it would get? Obviously I am not going to be more accurate than the gun, but I'm still curious to see if these guns are as accurate as a rimfire or centerfire pistol.
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No idea about particular gun, but overall, yes they are as accurate if not more so.
With that said I've seen some pretty amazing groups shot at the bullseye regionals.
And I really don't see how anyone can get much better than this.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/message/1432160750/10+shot+group+@+25+yards
With that said I've seen some pretty amazing groups shot at the bullseye regionals.
And I really don't see how anyone can get much better than this.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/message/1432160750/10+shot+group+@+25+yards
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WOW. What a group, or shall I say, ragged hole!! I absolutely cannot wait to get this gun, it's coming by Fedex on Friday. I'm going to shoot the HADES out of it!!
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As are some of the best groups and scores I seen at the NRA Small Bore Nationals with shooters using $5,000 to $15,000 rifles.
But I have never seen a group such as this.
Check out the prices of some of the Bleiker rifles from Switzerland, and the costs of paying a broker to import said arm.
Near perfection costs cash. Not going to get there with an off the shelf arm of any kind or make.
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The gun should come tomorrow, I'm so excited!!
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I would agree. Starting out with an expensive pellet doesn't guarantee you will get good accuracy. But if you find out they DO shoot well in your gun, then you might get hooked.
If you're gonna start out with one pellet, make it cheap. The gun doesn't care what the pellets cost, only that they fit, right. And even expensive pellets can vary from tin to tin.
Glad to see you getting excited. I have been shooting my airguns quite a bit more than usual. Your enthusiasm is contagious.
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I'd consider the RWS Meisterkugein pellets mid range in cast but towards the high end in quality control. But TJMO tho.
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Alright guys! It came today!
VERY COOL!!!!
The brown plastic is bit darker than I anticipated, not an issue though. It feels good in the hand. The sights are a big wider than I anticipated, but it should be fine. I also got my tin of pellets and pellet trap, they seem nice!
I'm going to get this things cleaned up and will shoot it with the 7 grain Meisterkugel pellets. I did dry fire it twice, with no pellet in it... is that bad?? Sorry! I couldn't resist!
Thanks guys for your help!!
VERY COOL!!!!
The brown plastic is bit darker than I anticipated, not an issue though. It feels good in the hand. The sights are a big wider than I anticipated, but it should be fine. I also got my tin of pellets and pellet trap, they seem nice!
I'm going to get this things cleaned up and will shoot it with the 7 grain Meisterkugel pellets. I did dry fire it twice, with no pellet in it... is that bad?? Sorry! I couldn't resist!
Thanks guys for your help!!
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Choosing an airgun isn't all that complicated, no need to be too studious about it.
Especially since we all know you can't stop at just one.
I'm up to eight so far - five handguns and three rifles.
Undoubtedly, probably, guaranteed more to come.
They are just so danged useful and fun, not to mention handy.
And they are guns in every sense; they're just not firearms.
So what's next?
I'm leaning toward that Colt inspired sixgun you mentioned.
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Dry firing might not be real good for it, as the pellet provides resistance to the spring pressure.
But an occasional one won't hurt.
More danger is from using gun oil in the barrel and seal.
Or any petroleum oil, for that matter.
It can ignite and cause detonation - i.e. an explosion.
I use silicone oil in all mine.
Kids like to do that just to see the gun belch flame, but it damages the internals.
Otherwise, enjoy.
The airgun places sell something called pell oil for airguns.
There might be a small vial of it in the package with your new gun.
Especially since we all know you can't stop at just one.
I'm up to eight so far - five handguns and three rifles.
Undoubtedly, probably, guaranteed more to come.
They are just so danged useful and fun, not to mention handy.
And they are guns in every sense; they're just not firearms.
So what's next?
I'm leaning toward that Colt inspired sixgun you mentioned.
P.S.
Dry firing might not be real good for it, as the pellet provides resistance to the spring pressure.
But an occasional one won't hurt.
More danger is from using gun oil in the barrel and seal.
Or any petroleum oil, for that matter.
It can ignite and cause detonation - i.e. an explosion.
I use silicone oil in all mine.
Kids like to do that just to see the gun belch flame, but it damages the internals.
Otherwise, enjoy.
The airgun places sell something called pell oil for airguns.
There might be a small vial of it in the package with your new gun.
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You, cool dill, have a single pump pneumatic, without any springs to worry about, and because of this it will not hurt to "dry" fire it.
Now then if you had a "springer", it would be a different story.
Now then if you had a "springer", it would be a different story.
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You also have no need to worry about detonation either.
Read the manual and lube as advised therein.
Read the manual and lube as advised therein.
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Pell oil is nothing more than 30 weight non-detergent oil, do a search on some of the airgun forum links I provided earlier.
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I'll check on that, for my own info if nothing else.
Purty sure that high pressure and petroleum oils equal detonation, no matter how the air got compressed.
Think Diesel engines.
Wonder what the difference between detergent and non-detergent oils would be relative to airguns.
Anyhow, I've always used silicone oil and so far so good.
P.S.
The web is wonderful.
Already found the answer.
Detergent oils have solvents in it, that can damage seals in our airguns.
Funny that it doesn't seem to harm engine seals, though.
Must be different materials.
Purty sure that high pressure and petroleum oils equal detonation, no matter how the air got compressed.
Think Diesel engines.
Wonder what the difference between detergent and non-detergent oils would be relative to airguns.
Anyhow, I've always used silicone oil and so far so good.
P.S.
The web is wonderful.
Already found the answer.
Detergent oils have solvents in it, that can damage seals in our airguns.
Funny that it doesn't seem to harm engine seals, though.
Must be different materials.
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Almost forgot.
Because Pell Oil is, indeed, a petroleum product, it's not meant for the spring powered airguns.
It will cause detonation, according to the airgun folks.
While it is recommended apparently for the other pump up guns.
Still not sure why.
I'm going to stick with silicone oil for everything, just to be on the safe side.
Especially after using the Pell oil on a couple of CO2 powered pistols that suffered seal failures.
Don't know if there was a connection or not, but once burned....
I get silicone oil from scuba shops.
It's supposed to be medical grade.
Mebbe the owners' manual tells what lube to use.
Pell Oil for seals designed for it and something else for others.
Hopefully the guys who made it know.
I say hopefully due to some very bad info in auto and motorcycle repair manuals.
Makes you wonder.
Because Pell Oil is, indeed, a petroleum product, it's not meant for the spring powered airguns.
It will cause detonation, according to the airgun folks.
While it is recommended apparently for the other pump up guns.
Still not sure why.
I'm going to stick with silicone oil for everything, just to be on the safe side.
Especially after using the Pell oil on a couple of CO2 powered pistols that suffered seal failures.
Don't know if there was a connection or not, but once burned....
I get silicone oil from scuba shops.
It's supposed to be medical grade.
Mebbe the owners' manual tells what lube to use.
Pell Oil for seals designed for it and something else for others.
Hopefully the guys who made it know.
I say hopefully due to some very bad info in auto and motorcycle repair manuals.
Makes you wonder.
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