Accurate BB/Pellet Pistol?

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Thanks! So... I feel like I'm getting closer, but still so far! How is the trigger on the Crosman custom? Is it bad? I'm a double action revolver shooter if that means anything.

ChaoSS, I'm looking at the gateway to airguns sight now. Thanks for the tip!

The Daisy 747 is drawing me in as well... I like that fact that it is a 1-pump action and doesn't need Co2 cartridges. I read it has a Lothar Walther barrel and an adjustable trigger... but the sights leave something to be desired. Are their replacements available? Also is this gun reliable and durable? Is the trigger pull good?
 
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I dunno, to be honest. Never had one. The stock trigger on these guns is probably around 4 1/2 lbs, with a distinct break and a bit of little overtravel. Pretty good for a practical pistol. But it sounds like you're headed towards a competition gun.
 
Thanks! So... I feel like I'm getting closer, but still so far! How is the trigger on the Crosman custom? Is it bad? I'm a double action revolver shooter if that means anything.

ChaoSS, I'm looking at the gateway to airguns sight now. Thanks for the tip!

The Daisy 747 is drawing me in as well... I like that fact that it is a 1-pump action and doesn't need Co2 cartridges. I read it has a Lothar Walther barrel and an adjustable trigger... but the sights leave something to be desired. Are their replacements available? Also is this gun reliable and durable? Is the trigger pull good?
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One more time, Go German, or possibly English.
 
If you are going down the route of the 747 also take a good look at the Weihrauch HW40. http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/

Awesome trigger, single pump, decent fiber optic sights, great quality, quiet, accurate and gives you the overall feel of a "real gun". $212 shipped.

If you want to stretch your budget.....ok blow it out the water look at the HW75 also their. Basically same action with a more target gun oriented feel, metal build etc.

Again the Daisy is a good gun but options are good.

Honestly when you have enthusiasts giving you advice we tend to push for higher end stuff. It's like that for any hobby. For simple raw accuracy something like the Daisy or Crosman will more then meet your needs. That being said the Hw75, even at twice your budget, will meet all your accuracy needs and then some and also give you "real gun" pass it down to your kids pride of ownership. If you simply want to fling some pellets there are a great many suggestions hear as well as some cheaper very good options (izh 53, Cometa pistol etc. ) generally speaking you are looking at price levels of your 0-70 dollar inexpensive, usually Chinese made mass market stuff. 80-170 or so higher end mass market stuff. 200-400 gets you into the more quality stuff, better brands, triggers, better QC etc. 400-600 puts you into really good casual stuff. Great triggers, great fit and finish, Pass down type guns. 600-1000 gets you into higher end target stuff entry to mid pre charged. 1200 and up and you start playing with real 10m pre charged competition stuff that takes an immense amount of skill to come close to their mechanical potential.

The above are generalities of course and there are exceptions but they mostly hold true in my exp.

Keep in mind that it takes a fair bit of skill to shoot most air guns so even a good quality low to mid grade gun will give you plenty of mechanical potential for your skill to grow into.

Chris
 
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One other thing that comes to mind, I think may have been touched on. Like firearms if you feed airguns the cheapest Walmart fodder you can get you will get results commensurate for what you paid. Good quality pellets that your particular gun likes will be necessary for good repeatable accuracy.

As a rule locally Crosman Premiers are about your best bet over the counter at 6-9 bucks per 500.

Quality pellets can run on average 10-15 bucks per 500 or get as high as 45 bucks per 500. (Now those are real deal, individually weighed, professional grade stuff but you get the point)
 
Thanks alot cslinger!

I'm really liking the Daisy 747. It seems to have some good features at my price point. If I pick that gun, do you think it will serve me well for indoor paper target shooting (and plinking)? Or is the gun not worth it and/or junk?
 
I have a Crosman 2400KT from the Custom Shop. The trigger is adjustable and has an adjustable stop for overtravel. Not the best trigger but better than my Ruger SP101 in double action.

I get 40 shots on a CO2 cartridge.

The Crosman 2240 is a very versatile pistol that is offered at a variety of price points.

  • 2240 is about $50. Plastic breech, clunky plastic sights but still more accurate than most shooters.
  • 2300KT is $90 adds a steel breech and adjustable trigger. Nice Williams sights are another $75
  • 2300S is $280 and adds adjustable power, Lothar-Walther barrel, and comes standard with the Williams sights.

I personally think the 2300KT from the Custom Shop is the sweat spot for value per dollar. (My preferred configuration is $165.) You could buy the parts over time to turn a stock 2240 into a 2300S but it is cheaper to buy the gun configured how you want it from the start.
 
Very cool JSHI, thanks!

Such hard to pick what gun I want, so many decisions running through my brain right now... I need to go to bed!
 
The daisy, the crosman or that HW40 will all be more than adequate for indoor paper punching. The crosman will be louder than the other two and more expensive to feed (co2). The other two will tire you faster from cocking. (Not that they are all that difficult but they do require physical energy input by you)

Trigger will be worlds better on the HW40 then the Crosman imo. I am not familiar enough with the Daisy to say. I have heard it does have a fairly good trigger.

Chris.
 
I currently have three Crosman 13XX multipump guns, two are carbines (a .177 and a .22) and one is a .177 pistol. I have two Crosman 2300KT pistols (a .177 and a .22), one 2400KT Carbine (.22) and the 2240 (.22) pistol. I like them plenty fine. Triggers are fine for general use, you have to be really picky to bash them, and the mods for improvement are easy and cheap. These really are the "Ruger 10-22" of the pellet gun world.
I have several very nice twentytwo target rifles, with very light and crisp triggers. I see no reason myself to bother doing anything to the pellet gun triggers. Add a Lothar Walther match grade barrel, and some good sights. You have an excellent platform for anything you need a pellet pistol for. Anything else is details and personalization.
 
Thanks guys!

I'm leaning on the fence for the Daisy 747. I like how it's a 1-pump and doesn't take Co2. So it's got a Lothar Walther barrel, adjustable trigger, all good. Is there any reason why I shouldn't get this gun? Again, it will be for precision indoor paper target shooting and also informal plinking indoors and outdoors. I want an accurate gun that will also last and be reasonably durable.

Also, should I buy it off Amazon or Airgun Depot? Will it be easier to return to one or the other if I have a problem?
 
By all means Airgun Depot or Pyramid Air.

Still suggest you consider/check out a Beeman P17. Mine is more accurate than I am, but that doesn't say much. Only $32 bucks from Amazon.

Ya I know, its from china, but so is the computer you and I type on and so are the phones we all use.
 
I left a link to an article by Don Nygord that was about improving the 717.....back before there was a 747. This was the gun that he used to win the CA State Championship.
I believe that all of the improvements detailed in that article were incorporated by Daisy in the 747. It might be helpful to check.
Pete

PS: a long shot....but...if, just if....you find a used FWB Model 65 for sale at a price that doesn't scare you.....buy it. That was THE match gun to own before the technology moved to CO2 and then to compressed air.
A side cocker. Marvelously accurate. Last one that I saw was two years ago for $275. I shoulda bought it.
 
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Thanks Pete! I'll have to read that.

I can barely contain my excitement! I will be able to practice my marksmanship indoors at my own leisure which is a tremendous thing to me. I can't wait!!! :D
 
Cooldill- I dealt with Pyramyd once with a return- went extremely easy. Would definitely going through them again.
 
And yeah, having your own private range that you can use whenever is awesome.

At my old place, I'd shoot for an hour or two every night in the downstairs after the kids were in bed with my 747. A very quiet pop noise- the pellet hitting the target was louder than it firing.

Daisy can also send you a parts list and you can order every part of the gun right from them.
 
Just a reminder, get a good selection of pellets, you'll want to try a fair few to find one that fits the gun well. Pyramyd air is buy three tins get one free so it's cheaper to stock up on pellets.

The wrong pellets can leave you thinking you have a real lemon of a gun when the right pellet can have the gun shooting single holes all day long.
 
One other thing that comes to mind, I think may have been touched on. Like firearms if you feed airguns the cheapest Walmart fodder you can get you will get results commensurate for what you paid. Good quality pellets that your particular gun likes will be necessary for good repeatable accuracy.

As a rule locally Crosman Premiers are about your best bet over the counter at 6-9 bucks per 500.

Quality pellets can run on average 10-15 bucks per 500 or get as high as 45 bucks per 500. (Now those are real deal, individually weighed, professional grade stuff but you get the point)
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This has not been my experience, so far. To be fair, I'm not crazy about spending on 22 pellets what 22LR cost 3 years ago. But what I have found so far:

3 different tins of Crosman Premiers over 3 different purchases: excellent consistency and concentricity in head diameter. Head diameter of 0.216-0.216 1/2, or just around 5.49-5.50mm

JSB Premier Exact Jumbo Heavy 18.1 gr: These come highly recommended, so I figured I had to try. Very concentric heads, as good as the Crosmans, but depending on your tin you can get a head diameter of anywhere from 5.44mm to 5.53mm. My pellets measure 0.214 to 0.215, or 5.44mm and 5.46mm, and they drop loose into my rifle's chamber.

Daisy 22 Wadcutters: 10 different tins over two purchases: Heads are NOT concentric, but they are all the same size within about half a mil, like the CP's. Maximum head diameter is 0.216-0.216 1/2, just like the Crosmans, but the smallest point is about 0.215.

The JSB Exacts have been the worst on paper out of my rifle, out of these pellets. The Daisy and Crosman pellets are superb out of my gun.
 
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Now, apparently, in Europe, JSB pellets are marked with the exact head size to a hundredth of a millimeter on the bottom of the tin. I'm sure they're a great pellet if you get the right size for your gun. Over here, you buy a tin and you get what you get, and it will vary between tins. So if you find your gun likes a pellet, make sure you measure some out of each tin before you sock a bunch away.
 
Only if you post some pics and a review. Else we don't care what you buy. :)
 
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Yeah. The sooner you order it. The sooner you will start shooting.
For an inexpensive target holder/ pellet trap.....i put four pounds of modelling clay (two 2lb bricks) in a small cardboard box....centered and cushioned so it wont move around...and tape on NRA A4 targets.....These are 5 meter targets meant for BB matches.
Pete
 
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