animus_divinus
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does anyone manufacture new GI style M1911A1s in the united states anymore?.. springfield gets a lot of their parts from brazil, rock island from the philippines... does anyone make one here?..
american made M1911A1s?
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JTQ
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The Auto Ordnance is US made. It does have a Colt Series 80 style firing pin safety that is not WW II era correct, if that makes a difference to you. Of course it is as authentic as just about anything else.
RIA will have a skinny hammer, flat mainspring housing, giant roll marks, etc ...
Springfield Armory will have the ILS, odd roll marks, two piece barrel, etc ...
Here are couple of well written Auto Ordnance reviews.
http://www.thesixgunjournal.net/aoww2.html
http://ezine.m1911.org/AO1911A1.htm
Colt Series 70 (current production model) would be a good choice. The sights are plain black, but they are taller and more useful. It will be a better made product with better parts, but will also cost more.
RIA will have a skinny hammer, flat mainspring housing, giant roll marks, etc ...
Springfield Armory will have the ILS, odd roll marks, two piece barrel, etc ...
Here are couple of well written Auto Ordnance reviews.
http://www.thesixgunjournal.net/aoww2.html
http://ezine.m1911.org/AO1911A1.htm
Colt Series 70 (current production model) would be a good choice. The sights are plain black, but they are taller and more useful. It will be a better made product with better parts, but will also cost more.
rklessdriver
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Without a doubt COLT. Go with a 1991 or 70 Series.
COLT pistols are no where near as expensive as some here would lead you to believe. The MSRP on a 1991 is $699.... I paid $730 out the door for mine last year. Every month I see the new 70 Series at the gun shows around here for $850ish.
Will
COLT pistols are no where near as expensive as some here would lead you to believe. The MSRP on a 1991 is $699.... I paid $730 out the door for mine last year. Every month I see the new 70 Series at the gun shows around here for $850ish.
Will
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Auto Ordanance, EMF, Remington, Colt all have GI type 1911s and originate here in the US. I think Para is in the US now too.
While I'm not a great fan, I'd like to add that Kimbers are made in the USA.
Here is a link for firearms made in the USA (although not complete).
http://www.americansworking.com/guns.html
Here is a link for firearms made in the USA (although not complete).
http://www.americansworking.com/guns.html
Skylerbone
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I was taking a hard look at both the Remington and Auto Ordinance models but continue to see bad reviews on the A.O. and bad finishes on the R1s I've held. Kimber does not make a GI style 1911. S&W, Ruger and Sig are also made here but again no GI in their line-ups.
Buy a Colt.
Buy a Colt.
Zerodefect
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Colt.
LongTimeGone
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Anyone know where the S&W 1911 E series are made?
hAkron
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Well, Brazil is America, just not the United States of America, and the Philippines was a sovereignty of the US until WWII.
I've looked at two different Remington's at two different gun shops. One had terrible fit & finish. The other, while it looked & felt a lot nicer, didn't even function correctly out of the box--the rear of the ejection port would snag on the barrel hood, preventing the slide from going in to battery....the parts simply didn't fit together right.
Not that it matters really, since it's not a 100% USA-made gun.
Sounds like you need a Colt.
Not that it matters really, since it's not a 100% USA-made gun.
Sounds like you need a Colt.
rellascout
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Colt would be my choice.
JTQ
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Though not a GI style 1911A1, the S&W "E" series pistols are made at the north end of I-95 in Houlton, Maine. Though you may think you are in Canada, it still is in the USA.
Unless you are casting a very wide 1911A1 net, the Remington R1 and Colt 1991 won't fall in that category. Both have flat mainspring housings, and the Colt has a long trigger and 3 dot sights. All very nice items and a fine pistol, but not a 1911A1 at least looks-wise. I'm not that familiar with the Remington, but it does have a flat mainspring housing.
The most authentic looking "1911A1(ish)" models will still be either the Auto Ordnance, Springfield GI, or the Colt Series 70. All have short triggers, arched mainspring housings, 1911A1 grip safeties, and plain black GI style sights, though as mentioned before, the current production Series 70's have taller sights. The Auto Ordnance will also have a correct 1911A1 thumb safety.
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MachIVshooter
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Last I checked, the R1 is made in Ilion, NY. While it may be a socialist state by and large, it is still part of the USA.
mgmorden
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IIRC, Remington has been doing a bit of a wiggle-dance on admitting where the parts actually come from. It's sounding a lot like it might be PUT TOGETHER in Ilion, but that the parts actually being assembled aren't necessarily being made there.
Realistically if you want a GI-style American made one, just get a Colt. If you want a "newer" style one (ie, beavertails, stainless, etc), then get the new Ruger. If you want something high end most all the big name customs are American made.
While they're out of production, Colt did make M1911A1 reproductions a few years back. If you can find one it'll most likely be used, but they're pretty close to the WWII variants. Here's mine, I stumbled across it in a little shop in OK, still brand new in the box, for $900. Mine is from early in the run, it has the Colt's address rollmark above the right grip. That was later changed to the correct United States Property rollmark. For some reason though, they didn't accurately reproduce the triggers, and put these ugly things on instead. I just swapped mine out with a WWII trigger.
SSN Vet
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Though they have nostalgic value as historical repros....
I would suggest that there are very good reasons why the design has been modified by most modern manufacturers.
The GI was spec'd to shoot one thing and one thing only.... 230 gr. ball. Changes in feed ramp and ejection port geometry make the 1911 reliable with a much wider range of ammo.
Under cut trigger guards, beavertails and extended thumb safeties afford a high hand hold which many shooters prefer with the 1911.
And the origonal GI style sights were very seriously lacking.
I would suggest that there are very good reasons why the design has been modified by most modern manufacturers.
The GI was spec'd to shoot one thing and one thing only.... 230 gr. ball. Changes in feed ramp and ejection port geometry make the 1911 reliable with a much wider range of ammo.
Under cut trigger guards, beavertails and extended thumb safeties afford a high hand hold which many shooters prefer with the 1911.
And the origonal GI style sights were very seriously lacking.
Skylerbone
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But they are what the OP asked about. My dad still laughs off the "pointy thing" on my grip safeties and those flat main spring housings. To each his own.
Zerodefect
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One of these days I want to build a "crossover" kind of 1911. One that has the old school look of a GI, with a few, hopefully unnoticable improvements.
Like:
-starting of with a old school Colt
-Ed Brown grip safety and hammer
-longer solid trigger (long hands)
-10-8 makes taller sights that look GI and still fit the GI slots (I think)
-I wonder if I could talk USFA into refinishing it with patina wear like they do their old look Gunslinger SA revolvers?
Gratuitous Colt pic:
Would be really neat patina'd and worn looking like this:
Like:
-starting of with a old school Colt
-Ed Brown grip safety and hammer
-longer solid trigger (long hands)
-10-8 makes taller sights that look GI and still fit the GI slots (I think)
-I wonder if I could talk USFA into refinishing it with patina wear like they do their old look Gunslinger SA revolvers?
Gratuitous Colt pic:
Would be really neat patina'd and worn looking like this:
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dickttx
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Colt
Better than most prices.
Better than most quality.
Better than most prices.
Better than most quality.
squarles67
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Colt!
JTQ
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Well, I'd think the Ed Brown grip safety and hammer would immediately be a pretty noticeable change.
You could ask Jason Burton to put a long trigger on this one.
http://www.heirloomprecision.com/photos/Jason_Burton/2009-Colt_1918_USGI_Retro_Gun/
Zerodefect
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Thanks. That's exactly what I'm talking about.
http://www.heirloomprecision.com/zfoto/photos/Jason_Burton/2009-Colt_1918_USGI_Retro_Gun/8.jpg
Allthough $4500 ain't happening, I don't want that much quality, LOL.
But I think a EB hammer would be less noticeable than those big clunky hammers because its such a thin skeleton loop. Maybe the EB GS would be going too far? They might stand out, but I hope if the gun was all black, that they wouldn't ruin the classic old scholl look, just augment it a bit. (Who looks at the back of a 1911 anyways?)
http://www.heirloomprecision.com/zfoto/photos/Jason_Burton/2009-Colt_1918_USGI_Retro_Gun/8.jpg
Allthough $4500 ain't happening, I don't want that much quality, LOL.
But I think a EB hammer would be less noticeable than those big clunky hammers because its such a thin skeleton loop. Maybe the EB GS would be going too far? They might stand out, but I hope if the gun was all black, that they wouldn't ruin the classic old scholl look, just augment it a bit. (Who looks at the back of a 1911 anyways?)
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