Another New Cap&Ball Bullet

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The problem with a big hollowpoint that doesn't open is that if it hits a bone, the tip is much more fragile and more likely to get all splatted, sending the bullet tumbling. Or if it hits bone at an angle (like a rib or a skull), one side of the point could cave in, making the bullet just skim along the bone without punching through. Maybe you could ask if it would be possible to put on a copper nose plate thingie, something like a reverse gas check? Something which only covers the nose of the bullet to prevent deformation, but doesn't contact the bore. Maybe could make it a slight dish-nose, too.

That'd be nearly as good in soft tissue and way better against bone, as long as the edges are relatively sharp. Semi-wadcutters and flat nosed bullets tend to crush a hole equal in diameter to the meplat. And penetration really is important. Remember, in the old days, they'd measure how powerful a gun was by how many inches of wood it would penetrate.
 
jaxenro

No, I liked the original better. The bull looks like he has a babies conforter in his mouth! I think the cylinder complicates the image too much as wel. By it's self the logo could be printed anywhere and stand out, with it it's too cluttered.
Duncan
 
On Right Track!

Between this one (We will omit ring from nose, make tha CHAMBER MOUTH our RING) filthy weather has me down again, 100.4 temperature today.

But I DO like it, tryin ta get that; RAGIN' BULL look the bullet as an avatar of RAW POWER

Havta lay down, GOOD JOB!!!!!!!
 
I was going for a ringed to the arbor type look. The idea is the power is locked in the chamber until release. Needs some fine tuning?
 
Please don't take me wrong here, but this is getting a little cartooney.

I thought I'd say that to get you to step back and take another look. I haven't the foggiest idea of what to create for a logo at the moment. But I want to say that products with cartoon like logos, I tend to stay away from. I think other people do also.

I'm still saying that the more tech it is the better off you'll be.
 
I can't take it wrong, just tossing out ideas looking for input!

It's what we call "mission creep". I started by stating I prefer descriptive names, like 380-80-RN, as opposed to fancy titles. Just kept adding to it based on user input. One suggested this, another that.

This does give Manyirons a chance to "market test" the image, or packaging, though. Myself, I like the "old timey" look like would be found on a package of old Colt Combustable Cartridges. I especially like they 38/100 caliber designations they used. Very technical.
 
I think I'd probably prefer a simpler logo, like maybe an outline of the bullet, if anything. When was the last time you saw a bullet package that had an animal on it? Well, okay, Speer Grand Slam bullets have a picture of a goat on the box.

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I based this more on the old combustable cartridge packets. A bit flowery with the scrolls, but so were the victorians

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"Have you got the scrolls?"
"NO, I always stand like this!"


I wouldn't call the Victorians "Flowery"! Thats like telling Clint Eastwood he's a poof (faggot)!!!

Still like the raging bull with the fire breathing nose best. And it can be used anywhere as I said before whereas this is just for one item and does not make a brand statement.
Duncan
 
Descriptive Vs. Functional Name

I want to try to put additional focus on the desirable attributes of the bullets.
The word "Lok" or "Locked" does do that to a degree and that's why Remington uses the CoreLoct phrase, to distinguish theirs from other bullets.
Of course, in this case it's being used to describe the locking of the bullet into the cylinder to help to possibly avoid and prevent chainfires and bullet creep during discharge (vs. round balls I guess).
However, another important primary advantage of these bullets is the fact that they are "designed to be easily rammed" as well. And I think that characteristic could be integrated into the name and not overlooked. It could be also used in a logo too.
So with this slightly refocused effort, I'm thinking about the following integration:

RamLock

http://www.bighorn.org/gallery4.html

http://www.bighorn.org/gallery5.html

http://www.bighorn.org/gallery1.html

A simple outline drawing of a Bighorn Ram (sheep) head would translate the notion of "power" without using the word, but you're gaining the concept of "Ram-ability".
Tell people you'll donate 1% to "Save the Bighorn" and they'll be proud to buy and rebuy your bullets! Why not?

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...eep&start=20&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N

RamLock isn't too much different than MaxLock, or Power Locked, etc... but it does introduce the word "ram" into the picture somehow, which is what differentiates these BP revolver bullets from non-revolver bullets - They are designed to be easier to ram AND lock more easily into the revolver cylinder.

Of course, you could always use a secondary "phrase" after any name like:

EZRam Bullets or EZLock Bullets, but I just don't think that's as effective.

Manyirons, can you picture any more powerful natural event in North America than 2 Bighorn Rams butting heads in battle? :D
 
WELL DONE!

Just goes to show how much interest there is here. This sort of market developement work would cost $millions anywhere else!!
I must say that the RAM idea sits better with me than the Bull and I can certainly see a pair going head to head. As for the support - also a good idea BUT needs to be thought out properly so it can be maintained.

Pity the old bug*er is 'hors de combat', will be interesting when he reports in again me thinks :D
Duncan
 
WOW GUYS!!!!!

Fighten off this sinus infection was diagnosed yesterday as soon as possible sos i can thanks ya all properly!

Were i not so groggy with such a vile headache, all i can say is WOW I am TRULEY Impressed!!!!

THANKS!!!
 
Drawing

Manyirons, I have a 15 year old son (Thomas) who is a very talented artist. Last year he received an honorable mention in CT's Duck Stamp contest. He draws with a gifted perspective. If you do decide to go forward with the RamLock idea, I could ask him to come up with a drawing for you.
Please consider giving him "first shot" at it.
I hope you feel better soon.:)
 
Everybody Slowing Down?

Hey!

I have a few sick days and everyone stops posting ideas? To go from so much brilliance to zero, well!

Here I was expectin ta see all SORTS of groovy stuff! Lets work with tha RAM concept for a bit here, and wrap it around The 19th Century label so kindly provided by our friend Jaxenro!
 
"Keep Reeling It In!"

The only other "Ram" idea that comes to mind is "RamHead Bullets", but it's not quite as catchy.

Look at how easy the ram can be used in a logo:

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For RamLock, I was thinking about 2 rams, or just 2 ramheads, head to head. But it would have to be a pretty small & simple drawing, maybe even using silhouettes of rams or ramheads.

This is sort of like fishing, many casts with different baits and lures.
Let's land a whopper! :D

Here's one of my all time favorite quotes:
"It's better to live one day as a lion, than 1000 years as a sheep" - Unknown Roman
 
Rams as line drawings? YES! Anything TOO elaborate would detract i think from the simple label style by Jaxenro, so good idea! GO for it!
 
Still Casting!

Everybody Slowing Down?
Hey!
I have a few sick days and everyone stops posting ideas? To go from so much brilliance to zero, well!

I'll keep casting, even if it's just so you have plenty of names to compare.

RamMaster or Master Ram Bullets

RamRite

RamTite

TiteLock

Titan (Brand) _______ Bullets, (RamMaster , RamLock, etc...) or
RamMaster (Brand) _______ Bullets (Titan)

Manyirons, I remember a good bumper sticker slogan that was put out by the Hampton Beach (New Hampshire) beach resort many moons ago. It read:
"Summer Better Than Others". :D
 
Yup!

SUMMER better than others! Liking tha RAMLOCK best i think, now what we add to it is up for grabs, as well, just what we use for labels&logos!

Appreciate tha interest&continued suggestions!!!
 
Yes it does! If you want to keep some ginger, you might look at this.
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