Arm Select school administrators/teachers?

[Safety First]

Why not train and arm select school personnel in all schools including colleges?
Not just one or two but enough to cover all areas of the campus so that the armed teachers can respond timely to stop/minimize deaths and injuries.
Start with volunteers who will submit to Psychological examinations. Those who pass and are selected should then be willing to train to a degree of efficiency and safety needed for their surroundings. Then take down the Gun Free zone signs and replace them with 'armed and trained personnel' signs.
Would this not be more effective than one police officer in each school and cost must less in the long haul? It seems simple enough to me.
This should not be taken as swipe at the NRA. I am a member and support them because they support our 2 Amendment rights. It's just that arming school personnel makes more sense to me. What say you?

 

[P5 Guy]

Why not hire some already trained people to guard schools?

 

[fanchisimo]

I voted yes, but I think that we shouldn't arm them so much as allow them to be armed. If the institution provides the weapon, who is responsible for upkeep, can the teacher take them home, or sign them out to practice. A lot of what if's that would be mute if the person used their own weapon.

I agree to the extra checks/training something in the vein of CCW but more active shooter training. That way the incurred cost is minimal, prolly $50-100 for the class. I'd almost bet that someone would give the classes for free since it's for schools and colleges. Didn't the NRA volunteer to pay for the necessary security upgrades in LaPierre's speech? They could provide the training.

 

[Safety First]

I think if the school does not provide the weapon, then the teacher/administrator should train with the gun he/she will be using.

 

[xjsnake]

I teach in a public school and I'd be first in line for the training and would gladly pay for it out of pocket if necessary.

 

[Safety First]

XJsnake, I bet there are many more like you that would volunteer. What if they would speak up and make it known that they would volunteer. Maybe the move would catch on and spread and then who knows maybe the powers to-be may take it seriously. Just sayin

 

[almherdfan]

Yes, but volunteers only. And I do not think it's the magic solution.

 

[taliv]

simply allow them to arm themselves

 

[Safety First]

almherdman, There is no magic solution, but this should put the bad guys/crazies on notice and stop all but hardcore nut cases.

 

[Safety First]

Taliv, That would be too simple, this is the government we are dealing with.

 

[Alaska444]

Utah has no prohibition of CCW in public schools with no incidents to date. The issue is gun free zones. Eliminate the gun free zones by allowing CCW, end of story. No increased police costs, improved protection for our kids. It already works well in Utah. What else do we need?

If they push through some sort of Sky Marshall/TSA program then I am against it.

 

[chris in va]

Don't forget...LEO's have insurance coverage in case they shoot an innocent.

 

[taliv]

interesting, alaska. i assume if a teacher lost their ccw or had it taken away from them, or mis-used it somehow, it would have made national headlines.

 

[Alaska444]

interesting, alaska. i assume if a teacher lost their ccw or had it taken away from them, or mis-used it somehow, it would have made national headlines.

I wasn't aware of the Utah provision until a couple of days ago and then there are also a couple of other states, OR and I believe even NH that have similar provisions.

When you think about it, it is the designation of gun free zones that is the cause of opening these killing zones. Putting a cop into the zone without removing the prohibition for ordinary folks does not end this artificial problem created by gun control mindsets. We should be promoting and encouraging the Utah model.

In addition, many of the CCW instructors offer their course for free to school teachers and employees. The fix is already in with Utah. Only 47 or so to go.

 

[Safety First]

Alaska444, I would be against a TSA/Federal Marshall type program myself. There is no reason to cost the tax payers billions of dollars for a program that can be handled at local levels but each individual school district. Not to mention that if the Feds were in charge the locals would have less input. Just my 2Cents

 

[Alaska444]

Alaska444, I would be against a TSA/Federal Marshall type program myself. There is no reason to cost the tax payers billions of dollars for a program that can be handled at local levels but each individual school district. Not to mention that if the Feds were in charge the locals would have less input. Just my 2Cents

I agree, but not sure what the NRA is telling the politicians. I didn't see a lot of details on what they want. Someone noted we already have cops in 28% of our schools already. Once again, the issue is gun free zones. The Utah model ends that travesty.

That also follows on the popularity of CCW across the US in recent years. Fully empower CCW to be able to go anywhere armed. Even the malls that prohibit carry do not carry the power of law in Utah. You can be asked to leave, but the cops won't arrest you for being armed in a posted store. That really is the ultimate CCW model in many ways. Go Utah.

 

[xjsnake]

Before this last week I had been looking into becoming a reserve deputy with the sheriffs office so I could use the LEO exemption to carry while teaching. A bill is going to be introduced in my state (TN) to allow teachers to carry/trained. I believe the details are still being hammered out.

 

[Safety First]

Sounds like the politicians in TN have got the right idea.

 

[Alaska444]

Sounds like the politicians in TN have got the right idea.

But if it is only for teachers, it doesn't go as far as Utah in allowing ALL people with a CCW permit to carry on all public schools. Private schools can still prohibit, but again, it is my understanding it doesn't come as the force of the law. They will simply ask you to leave. Lot better than CA for sure though.

 

[Safety First]

I like what I am hearing about Utah. TN as well as the rest of the states could learn from Utah. However, it does seem like TN is working in the right direction in hopes of arming teachers.

 

[bainter1212]

Remember, the CEO of Frontsite offered to train school teachers and administrators FOR FREE. Every time there is a school shooting this offer has been repeated. The CCW teachers should not be publicly identified, to prevent parents from complaining specifically about any one teacher. The official line from the school district should be: some teachers "may" be carrying CCW. Numbers and names and school locations will not be released.
My wife (a high school teacher) told me that the number one problem with allowing teacher/administrator CCW would be that the parents would "not tolerate it". So don't tell them enough to make specific complaints. "Yes we have a policy of allowing CCW. No we cannot release any specifics, to protect the privacy of teachers and administrators, and the safety of students". The only noticeable difference after a policy like this is initiated, would be the lack and/or limited lethality of any further attacks.
You have to keep in mind that most teachers are not comfortable with firearms. Most people comfortable with guns are blue collar, don't have degrees, many have served in the military. In the course of meeting my wife's coworkers, I have developed a sense that this is a very "sheltered" community. They all have degrees, which sometimes means by default that they chose not to enlist in the military. I don't get the same "feeling" I get from my blue collar friends (I am a mechanic, no college degree).

 

[Safety First]

Well said Bainter1212, The CCW teachers and Administrators should not be known to the public, thus the bad guys will not know who is prepared to take them down...

 

[xjsnake]

Someone noted we already have cops in 28% of our schools .

That wouldn't surprise me but in my district we have 4schools with a Student resource officer. The problem is that's one man for 4 spread out buildings but it counts as 4 schools with an officer. Not very useful if something happens and our sro is 15 mins away...

 

[igousigloo]

The first thing to do is to remove the gun free zone, and keep the federal government out of it lest it become a nightmare like TSA.

 

[JERRY]

Your poll lacks the choice.

If they want to, so be it.