dogtown tom
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Apparently you get your info straight from CNN and Dianne Feinstein.
You would be wrong.
Teachers in Texas schools are already armed / School Marshals
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dogtown tom
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More criminal shooting occur with rifles other than an AR15 than with an AR15......FBI has noted that for many years.
What ground has been lost sine Columbine? None.
Attitudes like yours are a greater threat to gun rights than any AR15.
dogtown tom
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Pablo...........you should read this: http://dailysignal.com/2018/02/22/fact-check-are-most-gun-crimes-committed-with-handguns/
Fine Figure of a Man
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No one is holding students for ransom......that's just a silly ignorant statement.
No one should expect a schoolteacher to suddenly become a armed personal security expert/LE officer without extensive training. If you want me to be an excellent educator and an excellent police officer then you aren't going to get me to do that for a teachers salary.
This was a response to suggesting teachers be allowed to carry concealed if they choose to;
Nothing about students or safety, just a demand for more money.
The only people proposing that teaches become security experts or go through mandatory extensive training are those that oppose concealed carry in school.
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If you keep capitulating to the anti's demands you most certainly will.
Using your analogy then the automobile is the most likely thing to be used in drunk driving deaths; what's your idea to stop that? We never blame the car, we blame the driver. When a student makes a spelling error on a test, we do not blame the pencil; when you gain weight from eating too much ice cream we don't blame the spoon.
Stop blaming an inanimate object and put it where it belongs - and in this case - it was three different level of GOVERNMENT - the school, the Sheriff and the FBI.
Using your analogy then the automobile is the most likely thing to be used in drunk driving deaths; what's your idea to stop that? We never blame the car, we blame the driver. When a student makes a spelling error on a test, we do not blame the pencil; when you gain weight from eating too much ice cream we don't blame the spoon.
Stop blaming an inanimate object and put it where it belongs - and in this case - it was three different level of GOVERNMENT - the school, the Sheriff and the FBI.
No one is holding students for ransom......that's just a silly ignorant statement.
No one should expect a schoolteacher to suddenly become a armed personal security expert/LE officer without extensive training. If you want me to be an excellent educator and an excellent police officer then you aren't going to get me to do that for a teachers salary.
No one is expecting teachers to be an, "armed personal security expert/LE officer." What is being asked for is that teachers, who are already allowed to carry outside of work, after reasonable, appropriate, and accessible training be permitted to carry, if they choose t carry, as they go about their normal duties. There is no request for additional duties.
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I heard from a news source that I thought at the time was probably credible that one in five or 20% of Texas schools have some form of armed teachers or administrators.
Edited to add: I found this < http://www.caller.com/story/news/ed...stricts-allow-teachers-staff-armed/364677002/ >
I said there are 172 Texas schools or 17% of Texas schools.
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Hasaf, as stated previously that option is already available in texas, at the discretion of the district. Agreed that i would like to see that state-wide as opposed to local-only.
To clarify, I said District Discretion in Kansas. However, The insurance company that covers most schools in Kansas has said, "no."
Utah has said that the schools cannot forbid licensed teachers with a CCW from carrying; however, it must be concealed and not reveal the shape, or outline, of a firearm (It has to really be concealed).
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A law on the Federal level that would give schools immunity from liability for arming teachers or administrators would be great. I am not holding my breath until this happens either
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George P
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The main sticking point would be liability in the event a teacher shot someone. Should those be "deputized" (as suggested in another thread) to afford them the same coverage as LEOs? I suspect the biggest naysayer would be the District's insurance carrier
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That is the sticking point I was thinking of for teachers that would be trained or made armed on behalf of the school. Insurance for the school. But more importantly, legal defense support for any teacher that has to actually use a gun in school.
For the concealed carry licensed teachers, well they'd be on their own, defense wise, just like anywhere else.
denton
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As noted, here in Utah teachers and staff with concealed carry permits can carry at work. I think that's an excellent, low cost start toward security. It also greatly benefits employees who are worried about a crazy ex-SO.
The Weber County Sheriff runs critical event training for school employees at a very modest cost. There is a substantial wait to get into the class. One sweet, grandmotherly teacher friend of my wife explained the curriculum to me, and it sounds like very good preparation. (BTW, she's also an excellent marksman.)
One of our SLC news programs ran a panel with several teachers, who all swore that they did not want to be armed or have responsibility for protecting students. Well, OK. I'm fine with that. There are enough willing people to carry the load.
The Weber County Sheriff runs critical event training for school employees at a very modest cost. There is a substantial wait to get into the class. One sweet, grandmotherly teacher friend of my wife explained the curriculum to me, and it sounds like very good preparation. (BTW, she's also an excellent marksman.)
One of our SLC news programs ran a panel with several teachers, who all swore that they did not want to be armed or have responsibility for protecting students. Well, OK. I'm fine with that. There are enough willing people to carry the load.
If the teacher is a union member, the union provides legal representation. Of course I would also encourage any teacher who is carrying a firearm to also look into some form of carry insurance.
denton
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Here in Utah, if you're stopping a violent felony and accidentally shoot a bystander, you will not be prosecuted. I don't know the law on lawsuits.
Can you provide a link to this? I am trying to find it on their webpage and I am not seeing it.
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Does anyone really expect the teachers unions to approve the mandatory carry and firearms training for teachers?
Short answer, No they won't. Anyone who thinks that it will be a requirement to be a teacher needs a reality check. I'm sure the unions at this very moment are drafting language to oppose such a move.
I saw some teacher screaming and waiving her arms on CNN the other day because she was asked if she thought teachers should carry. I guess she thought they meant her. Nobody in their right mind would let someone like that within 20 feet of a gun. She would probably rather take a bullet.
Unions are also probably drafting language to create a different pay grade for teachers that want to train and carry. Some of them will want to and should have a pay incentive, that's only fair.
As it stands right now in my state, I can't carry into a school building legally. But I bet I could walk right in with a concealed firearm and no one would know I had it. Hows that for class room security?
Short answer, No they won't. Anyone who thinks that it will be a requirement to be a teacher needs a reality check. I'm sure the unions at this very moment are drafting language to oppose such a move.
I saw some teacher screaming and waiving her arms on CNN the other day because she was asked if she thought teachers should carry. I guess she thought they meant her. Nobody in their right mind would let someone like that within 20 feet of a gun. She would probably rather take a bullet.
Unions are also probably drafting language to create a different pay grade for teachers that want to train and carry. Some of them will want to and should have a pay incentive, that's only fair.
As it stands right now in my state, I can't carry into a school building legally. But I bet I could walk right in with a concealed firearm and no one would know I had it. Hows that for class room security?
As you point out, no one is talking about mandatory carry (. . . well. . . no one sane is talking about it).
Of course, the teachers who do carry (no, that is not me) rely on the reality that there is nothing to stop them.
To make things clear, I live in West Valley, Near Salt lake; but I work in Kansas. That is why these two states show up in my posts.
denton
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I don't have a link. My wife's friend explained it all to me a few days ago, and I'm about 99% sure she said Weber County Sheriff. A phone call should provide an answer. If I'm confused on the sponsoring agency, I'll probably see her again in a few days. She wants to learn to reload.
It might be Defensive Skills training, and it might be broader than school personnel.
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I would appreciate it if you could find some information. I would like to take a class intended for teachers over the summer (I would love to see the admins faces if I turned in something like that for my summers "learning activity").
denton
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I'll ask.
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Carry insurance and even Utah's law does nothing for a civil suit. Scenario - teacher has gun concealed on person and a few kids jump him/her, garb the gun and shoot someone - that teacher loses everything one way or another.......
dogtown tom
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No sir. There are plenty of supposed Second Amendment supporters that believe "mandatory extensive traing" should be required for a teacher to carry in a school.
If that was a requirement for plain 'ol concealed carry by average Joe they would have a stroke. But they have no problem requiring it of a teacher.
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