627PCFan
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Finished off a crow with a Benelli one time. Recoil pad didnt help much-
Best rifle for defensive butt-stroking?
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MilsurpShooter
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I gotta go with the Yugo M48 on this one
Neo-Luddite
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Well, I qualified with the Bayonet using an m16a1 'rubber duck' rifle.
You could no doubt dispatch someone unto judgment by stroking them with a solid-stocked AR.
But as for me, I'd turn to the M-1 for pike duty--you have good reach, weight and authority--even with the shorter m5a1 bayonet.
But a SMLE with some stout furniture (like an Aussie made one from Lithgow) with a heavy brass plate would be mighty fine by me and maybe a bit faster.
You could no doubt dispatch someone unto judgment by stroking them with a solid-stocked AR.
But as for me, I'd turn to the M-1 for pike duty--you have good reach, weight and authority--even with the shorter m5a1 bayonet.
But a SMLE with some stout furniture (like an Aussie made one from Lithgow) with a heavy brass plate would be mighty fine by me and maybe a bit faster.
Cannonball888
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Ding ding ding. We have a winner! The military mauser or a clone thereof has a capped metal butt and a butstockstock thicker than any other milsurp including a Mosin.
longdayjake
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I have finished off a few milk jugs with my garand butt. They were definately flat. One thing I think is fun to do is to stab a milk jug with my m24/47 and then shoot it off the bayonet. Man, I haven't done that for years.
Float Pilot
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A very interesting fencing rifle used by the Swedes for bayonet practice. the rod on the end was spring loaded.....So they issued face masks and let the troops go at each other with these things...
http://dutchman.rebooty.com/fenmusk.html
http://dutchman.rebooty.com/fenmusk.html
Matt-J2
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The Mosin-Nagant, any variety. It's weighty, plenty sturdy, seems well shaped for the job, and if you manage to break it on a Nazi skull, there's probably a million or more laying on the ground in your general area that you can pick up for more of the only kind of fun the Soviet state allows you to have.
P-32
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Back in my Navy days (late 70's) I was on a carrier (USS Midway CV41) when they were having a drill with silver bullets on hanger bay 2. The Marines had the hanger bay secured and only those involved were allowed to be in hanger 2. Some of our office spaces were behind bay 2 and there was a hatch I was able stand in and over looking bay 2. The hatch was at the head of a ladder going down to bay 2.
I saw a JO (Junior Officer) come up a ladder from a deck below on the port side and as his head came up above the deck of bay 2, he was met by a Marine who plainly told him he could not be there and needed to go back down the ladder. The JO did as he was told and then came back up the ladder again to argue. The next thing I knew was the JO got to meet the butt stock of the Marines M-16 with a "bipp" on the noggin. The JO sort of melted back out of sight. (yeah, he flat fell down the ladder) None of the other Marines went over to find out what happened.
I got a good chuckle and went back to my workcenter with a big 'ol grin. Yes, there is some justice in the world. I can all but guess when the JO went to complain, his commander told him he should of did what he was told!
I saw a JO (Junior Officer) come up a ladder from a deck below on the port side and as his head came up above the deck of bay 2, he was met by a Marine who plainly told him he could not be there and needed to go back down the ladder. The JO did as he was told and then came back up the ladder again to argue. The next thing I knew was the JO got to meet the butt stock of the Marines M-16 with a "bipp" on the noggin. The JO sort of melted back out of sight. (yeah, he flat fell down the ladder) None of the other Marines went over to find out what happened.
I got a good chuckle and went back to my workcenter with a big 'ol grin. Yes, there is some justice in the world. I can all but guess when the JO went to complain, his commander told him he should of did what he was told!
geophysicishooter
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I guess no one else laughed outloud at the subject line of this thread? I had to wonder just what "defensive butt-stroking" might involve.. butt stroking always seemed like more of an offensive move to me..
but defense from being butt-stroked just might justify the need for a rifle.. I guess it just depends on whose ox and what ditch you're talking about..
but I knew it had lasted three pages so this had to be an interesting topic..
turns out, not so much.. just a debate about which antiquated battle rifle is best to bash someone's head in with.. My guess is you've made a wrong turn somewhere if your life hinges on whether or not the weapon you have which is now out of ammunition is suitable for bashing in someone's face. either that, or you're a professional infantry combat soldier and you probably don't worry about it that much..
but defense from being butt-stroked just might justify the need for a rifle.. I guess it just depends on whose ox and what ditch you're talking about..
but I knew it had lasted three pages so this had to be an interesting topic..
turns out, not so much.. just a debate about which antiquated battle rifle is best to bash someone's head in with.. My guess is you've made a wrong turn somewhere if your life hinges on whether or not the weapon you have which is now out of ammunition is suitable for bashing in someone's face. either that, or you're a professional infantry combat soldier and you probably don't worry about it that much..
peacemaker45
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I'd say a Hawken. Heavy, and with a stock that pointy, who needs a bayonet?
I'm thinkin MP44 for close combat, MG 34 for longer distances. Both had stubby little buttstocks that seemed like they could do some damage.
Then again, maybe a steeply hooked buttplate like on an old scheutzen rifle would inflict more pain.
I would have to resort to my K31 for this purpose. Quite a bit more wood there than necessary, and it got used a lot.
Then again, maybe a steeply hooked buttplate like on an old scheutzen rifle would inflict more pain.
I would have to resort to my K31 for this purpose. Quite a bit more wood there than necessary, and it got used a lot.
Matt-J2
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Many of the rifles mentioned hit just as hard as a brick. 
When I look at purchasing a rifle, I don't consider using it as a melee implement, however, if it's sturdy enough to be used as such then it's going to be sturdy enough for just about any other rough use/conditions. Probably holds true the other way around, as well.
When I look at purchasing a rifle, I don't consider using it as a melee implement, however, if it's sturdy enough to be used as such then it's going to be sturdy enough for just about any other rough use/conditions. Probably holds true the other way around, as well.
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