Black Powder for Self Defense

[pohill]

I'm sure glad you're not a cop anymore. You can't understand the laws when they're highlighted with notes...

One part of being a cop that I do not miss is dealing with Big Block Heads, the friggin' know-it alls of the world. Go ahead and carry whatever the hell you want - just don't come on here and whine like a little girl when you get busted.

And, by the way, I'm not a cop anymore because I got seriouly injured on the job...Would I ever recommend anyone putting their health on the line for the Cop "Lovers" of the world? Never in a million years. Never Ever...

 

[BigBlock]

You must have thought everyone was a "know it all" because you are obviously clueless of the laws. It's a common problem for dumb people to think everyone else is a "know it all".

The laws couldn't be more clear, and several other people agree with me...yet you still have to bitch about it. You give cops everywhere a bad name. Cops like you are why there are so many cop haters out there. You were performing a disservice to the second ammendment, and gun enthusiasts everywhere.

 

[carebear]

High Road

No personal attacks, even in response to personal attacks.

 

[Warren]

Here is another BP for defense thread that managed to go for over a 100 posts without devolving into acrimony.

Click here.

I love the idea of BP revolvers and plan to own some soon, but for defense I would be worried about getting off more than two shots and/or being able to manage a quick reload.

A shotgun backed up by a semi-auto pistol or modern revolver is what I'll depend on in a home defense situation.

But if BP is all one has then may the fates be with ye.

 

[Tinker2]

Thanks

Pohill

“I'm not a cop anymore because I got seriously injured on the job...”

Thank you my friend for your service. My heart goes out to you.
If I can ever be of any service or help to you please ask.


Proud to know you.
Tinker2

 

[Ed Gallop]

Being a cop is a very demanding and a risky job that few citizens realize. It is hard to tolerate unreasonable criticism and disrespect generated by a few not so good cops. I have run into a lot of citizens with attitudes and a lot of cops with attitudes. It is human nature to stereotype and we all do it.

Most cops are caring decent people, as are most citizens. The difference is most cops feel a need to put their life on the line every day in an attempt to make life better for caring decent people. When you deal with parasites in our society, at the level cops do, it is easy to become cynical and less tolerant. It is a developed attitude that is sometimes hard to control. When you deal directly with victims, and you feel their pain, it becomes even harder.

People just don’t understand what is involved in the life of a cop and some cops forget what it is like to be a citizen. They have been placed into another category and constantly critized, more than any other position in society. Hell... I even critize incompetent cops and those that show their bad attitudes, but otherwise have tremendous respect.

I too was forced to retire a little early due to an on-the-job injury as a cop. It was the toughest adjustment of my life. Many of my close cop friends were killed in the line of duty so I feel lucky to be alive in my golden years. Very few of us are.

One thing I like about this forum is the lack of personal attacks. It makes being here more comfortable. But, sometimes our frustrations get away from us and we normally regret it later. I understand both sides but don’t agree with either. What we need in life is more understanding and caring for others. Holding your breath and not attacking each other is a result.

My hat is off to the regulators of this forum and every caring participant. Ed.

 

[O.S.O.K.]

My first post here

And rather than comment on cap and ball as a legal firearm, I would rather just show a couple of pics of what I would use for defense should I need to use a bp revolver:

Its a Pietta Colt 1860 snubby - 44 of course. Comes with the loading tool shown.

If I were inclined or limited to bp revolvers totally, then my house guns would also include these two bad boys:

Uberti Colt Dragoon 3rd model and Pietta 1860 Army. Both .44's.

Regardless of how the law looks at em, a bad guy will be looking at the first picture with balls in the cylinders of course

They all function 100% when loaded and capped carefully. I wouldn't feel at all underarmed with any.

As to the law, I take the time to get the carry permit and pay the unconstitutional tax along with it so that I'm covered. Especially since I may have as many as 10 firearms in my jeep on the way to/fro the range.

 

[rifle]

One picture is worth a thousand words. Cooll pics too. Never seen one of those loading tools before.

 

[O.S.O.K.]

tool

Thanks, yeah that came with the pistol - these were offered by Cabelas a few years back since discontinued... you could make one of course, but it'd be a bit of work. I have a nice cross-draw holster for it.

 

[Jamie C.]

In plain english:
"Concealed firearms are illegal, unless you have a concealed carry permit, or your firearm meets the definition of antique firearm."

Worst case scenario, it's only a class A misdemeanor.

Interesting thing about laws is, you have to not only learn all of 'em, and how they cross-reference each other, but also how the judge is gonna interpret them...

For instance, a muzzle loader might not be a "handgun", by Oregon state law, but it is a firearm, and a weapon apparently.

Now, given that, I wouldn't wanna run afoul of this little tid-bit, with a judge who's not inclined to have people running around armed:

166.240 Carrying of concealed weapons. (1) Except as provided in subsection (2) of this section, any person who carries concealed upon the person any knife having a blade that projects or swings into position by force of a spring or by centrifugal force, any dirk, dagger, ice pick, slungshot, metal knuckles, or any similar instrument by the use of which injury could be inflicted upon the person or property of any other person, commits a Class B misdemeanor.

(2) Nothing in subsection (1) of this section applies to any peace officer as defined in ORS 133.005, whose duty it is to serve process or make arrests. Justice courts have concurrent jurisdiction to try any person charged with violating any of the provisions of subsection (1) of this section. [Amended by 1977 c.454 §1; 1985 c.543 §2; 1989 c.839 §21; 1999 c.1040 §15]

You'll notice "Antique Weapons" aren't exempt here?

They might not get you for carrying a concealed handgun, but they certainly left the door open to get you with a concealed weapon.

Also, I'd like to see this:
"...dangerous or deadly weapon as defined in ORS 161.015"

Where is ORS 161.015? The section you're using as a reference starts at 166. I'm sure parts of 161 have a pretty strong bearing on what a judge might decide concerning toting a loaded BP pistol around... Believe me, they can be downright bastardly about it.


( Oh, and for what it's worth, I've spent a little time in court, and know how this stuff can go. )




J.C.