Carry Class / CCW Badges

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Instead of buying a badge, just look like a good guy. You know, been clean shaven or trimmed, decent haircut, presentable clothes. Just don't look sloppy or gangsta. I open carry at times, and other time I carry concealed but don't mind if it shows. I just wear nice pants, and a polo or button down shirt. I've got a crew cut and I'm clean shaven. I look the part of a good guy to most people. I don't have to go out of my way with trinkets to make them think I'm a cop or something. I would be some of them assume I am, but I'm not doing anything to foster that image other than my appearance. Now other times when I am wearing jeans a a t-shirt and hanging out at night with friends, I make more of an effort to be concealed. Just look like a respectable good guy, and most people will just assume you are.
 
The only time I see that badge doing any good is if it on your belt just in front of your gun and your cover garment blows open revealing your gun. The sheeple see a badge they don't call the Police.
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I never had the "badge ruminations" because when I originally CCWed I already had a badge. However after I left that line of work the above notion did occur to me a few times.

I wondered if something non-badge like such as this (see below) would have been a good idea for those accidental reveals. (Just your "permit", no badge to cause confusion.)
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Never went forward to test the idea though and really have never needed it so I never went back to the concept.
 
So why not just buy the badge, and wear it instead of a gun if it is such a good deterrant? Why even bother with the permit at all?
 
NonConformist
Other than that I dont see it, LE here arent pro-gun anyway and that would just be icing on their attitude trip cake!
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Is that in your part of the world or on THR? Just need a little clearing up. Thanks...
 
Remember the thread that asked "are we cops?"

The answer is clearly No, and in conjuction with that, we don't need a badge. Not only do CCW holders not need a badge, a badge is a very bad idea if you are not a LEO, because it may appear like you are impersonating an officer.
 
A ccw badge would be a terrible thing to show to sheeple. Why reinforce their assertions that people who carry are wannabe cops?

Terrible idea.
 
Quote: "THE FEWER PEOPLE WHO KNOW YOU HAVE A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT, THE BETTER!"

Otherwise why not open carry (if your state permits).

Why would you ever want to "advertise" your carrying a loaded firearm on your person? HELLO?

The Badge is a very bad idea... period

Bflobill_69
 
Why go thru the expense and effort to conceal a handgun then announce to the world that you are armed?
 
ZeSpecter....I like your ID card idea.

People see anything at all that looks "official" or business like and they'll tend to be assuaged. I like this a lot better than a fake badge. If you accidentally show your "concealed" piece, it could very well avoid some soccer mom from freaking out without giving anyone that knows better the false impression that you're LEO or wannabe LEO.
 
Most of us (cops) are of the opinion that, since badges are symbols of authority, it should be illegal for anyone who does not have arrest authority to have a badge.

I do agree that it is nice to see from a distance and know that the armed man approaching is "friend" as opposed to "foe" but the public can't be trusted with them. Every week we read of "fake cops" stopping vehicles and robbing, raping, or murdering people.

I have personally confiscated dozens of badges from politicians, former cops, firefighters, ambulance drivers, and security guards who tried passing themselves off as officers.
 
I don't understand why some people think that their CCW means they need or deserve a badge. Sounds pretty mall-ninja-ish to me. Flashing a badge that says you're carrying a concealed weapon is, at a minimum, the same thing as flashing *edit: as in brandishing* your weapon. It seems very much like impersonating a cop. And the scariest part of it is that the person carrying the concealed weapon and CCW badge thinks he's a cop. The only thing scarier than a bully cop is a bully wannabe cop.
 
I have personally confiscated dozens of badges from politicians, former cops, firefighters, ambulance drivers, and security guards who tried passing themselves off as officers.
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Good first step. But how many were arrested or prosecuted?
 
I wondered if something non-badge like such as this (see below) would have been a good idea for those accidental reveals. (Just your "permit", no badge to cause confusion.)
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That way you can get all of the shoot-me-first risks of open carry with none of the quicker-access-to-your-weapon benefits of open carry. Again, besides being very mall-ninja-ish, it's still brandishing.

The answer to the accidental reveal when concealed carrying is to not accidentally reveal. And to not act like it is a big deal if it does happen.

Anyone with a PC and a printer could fake an id like what you show in your id holder. That would be easier for a fake cop to do than a badge is to do. If I were a cop checking a report of a man with a gun, that id wouldn't slow me from cuffing you and putting you face first any more than not having it. Maybe I'd be more inclined because of the id. If I were a cop, I don't think a CCW holder would scare me but a mall ninja would scare the hell out of me.
 
For 60 bucks, you can give each of those people my phone number, and when they need to get somewhere fast, they can hold their cell phone out the window while I make siren noises real loud like. The flashing lights will be up to them, though.
 
Most of us (cops) are of the opinion that, since badges are symbols of authority, it should be illegal for anyone who does not have arrest authority to have a badge.
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What about all of the former cops, ambulance drivers, and especially firefighters who have been issued badges from their agencies? Do they not deserve them?
 
Dang... I always have said. "I will get a CCW Badge when the Sheriff ISSUES me one with my permit" Thankfully they are still CHARGING $$ for them (and not in MN) :) :)
 
Hmmm, I have 2 badges from both my fire departments and I can't arrest anybody. Should I throw them out?

The Maltese Cross (the basis of nearly all FD badges) dates back WAY further that any LEO badge... 11th century if I remember correctly.

By the way, ambulance driver is an insult, like calling a cop a pig. Some people are actually too dumb to make the distinction but many use it as a jab in everyday conversation.

FFMedic
 
. . . and had some for sale!
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Their motivation is MONEY, not doing the right thing. Some folks will do anything to make a buck.

In some places impersonating a peace officer is a felony, and that badge could land you in serious trouble.

Also, if you are not a cop you don't have backup readily available. So if someone decides to target YOU because they think you're a cop, you're aren't going to be able to quickly rally the cavalry for assistance. That targeting of you may also be in the form of an ambush. This is the reason I don't carry my badge on my belt when in plainclothes or off duty. If I have a reason for displaying my badge it will require a conscious move to remove it from my pocket where it's concealed from view.

IMO, the "CCW badges" are a bad idea, and anyone that buys them or sells them is a fool.
 
Hmmm, I have 2 badges from both my fire departments and I can't arrest anybody. Should I throw them out?
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No you shouldn't throw them out, but you also shouldn't be clipping them to your belt in front of your gun.
 
One of the members, Jim Macklin, over at the Kansas Concealed Carry site sent a letter to the KS Attorney General's office asking about CCW badges. Here is the answer. http://www.ksccw.com/site/showthread.php?t=8176&highlight=badge

"Reply from KS AG on badges
Mr. Macklin,

Under the current false impersonation statute, K.S.A. 21-3824, yes, merely flashing a badge could be viewed as impersonation of a Law Enforcement officer. In State v. Messer, 278 Kan. 161, 164 (2004), the Kansas Supreme Court reaffirmed that the false impersonation statute “does not require proof of an overt act beyond the false representation itself, and it does not require proof of a specific intent to deceive.”

A concealed carry license, at this point in time, is what the Legislature deemed sufficient for a licensee to show their status as such. Chances are, if a licensee is printing and someone calls law enforcement about it, law enforcement will be on scene to handle the situation before the person inquires about the firearm and the licensee has a chance to clear the air. Additionally, the reality of the situation is that, unless the individual is recognized as law enforcement with jurisdiction in the matter, anyone with a weapon drawn will be forced to disarm and be detained on scene until everything has been sufficiently cleared up…no matter what sort of badge or documentation that person is holding up.

Charles W. Klebe
Assistant Attorney General
Concealed Carry Unit"

If you are thinking about getting one you should contact your own state's AG office. I think the OP should check with his and let the AG know that the police are trying to sell them to CCW students. Somehow I don't think that is an approved activity, and it's one that could land a purchaser in a lot of hot water down the line.
 
Well the one I carry daily is a pin on style, in a badge billfold when I'm not in my class A or B of course, then it's on my shirt.

The Chief and Asst. Chief wear theirs on clips on their belt's. So does the inspector, right next to his M&P 40, but he has police powers.

My comment was aimed at the LEO who said; "Most of us (cops) are of the opinion that, since badges are symbols of authority, it should be illegal for anyone who does not have arrest authority to have a badge. "

I find that statement upsetting because it says to me "I'm above you all" and I find it ironic because long before police had shields and stars other public servents were wearing badges, and it was more of an award for bravery, not a symbol of authority.

I really hope there are a lot of LEOs thinking, "this guy's not with us".

FFMedic
 
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