CMP approved to get 86,000 M1 rifles from the Philippines
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You do realize that the CMP and DCM before them had a warehouse full of Garands at one point and it didn't drive prices down. You're not gonna buy a Garand from anyone for Mosin money. Those days are gone. I DO remember fiber barrels of Garands and M1 Carbines at Wollworths variety store in the mid 70's. Grands were $100, M1's were $80 and nobody wanted them!
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I hope that everyone who wants a Garand is able to get one.
My late-model 5.9 mil Springfield was like new except for the stock when it arrived from CMP some years ago. A replacement Boyd's stock turned it into a really nice rifle, and the addition of a "Holbrook Device" made it easier to use.
I really don't care if this import drives prices down, since I don't plan on selling. However, I am not sure that these rifles are going to be any great shakes since we have no idea as to what condition they are in or under what conditions they have been stored.
My late-model 5.9 mil Springfield was like new except for the stock when it arrived from CMP some years ago. A replacement Boyd's stock turned it into a really nice rifle, and the addition of a "Holbrook Device" made it easier to use.
I really don't care if this import drives prices down, since I don't plan on selling. However, I am not sure that these rifles are going to be any great shakes since we have no idea as to what condition they are in or under what conditions they have been stored.
You don't, just go down to you're local dealer or gun store and buy one. Heck buy one privately and you don't need a background check.
The CMP is a business and can impose any buying requirements they want.
I wish they'd go back to 1 in a Lifetime or at least only 1-2 per year per person
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In olden times, the DCM would sell a NRA member ONE firearm of each type on an affidavit that it was for his own use, not to be resold. One in a lifetime. But that was the DCM, a government agency that did not have to make money or even expenses.
The rump organization in the CMP does have to meet expenses and they operate on a more commercial basis.
Anecdote Alert:
1. At one time, CMP would sell each member 5 Garands. A gunshow wheeler dealer enlisted his whole family, each ordered their five, and he sat down with 25 rifles and a chart of part numbers. It is well known that almost all Garands have been refurbished in regular issue, and usable parts were reinstalled with no regard to origin. So he was able to swap parts around, probably buying some, to assemble a few - maybe as many as half a dozen - "correct" rifles with all identifiable parts of the same make and period. Not original, but "correct." Which seemed enough for the Garand enthusasts, because he sold those "corrected" rifles for more than he paid CMP for the whole 25. The remainder, not much worse "mixmasters" than they had started out, were pure profit.
2. Then they took the limits off entirely. I bought a new Kimber .22 at Anniston CMP. I wanted to buy a cheap used one as basis for a custom job like I had seen on the range, but saw the guy ahead of me pick the six of best condition $150 rifles, I gave up on that project. They had gotten in some Winchester Model 52s and Remington 40Xs, too. I watched a guy walk up to the Winchester rack, wrap his arms around as many rifles as he could grab, and heave them over to the counter. I am sure he was going to equip his junior club with classic rifles for the kids to learn to shoot with, right?
The rump organization in the CMP does have to meet expenses and they operate on a more commercial basis.
Anecdote Alert:
1. At one time, CMP would sell each member 5 Garands. A gunshow wheeler dealer enlisted his whole family, each ordered their five, and he sat down with 25 rifles and a chart of part numbers. It is well known that almost all Garands have been refurbished in regular issue, and usable parts were reinstalled with no regard to origin. So he was able to swap parts around, probably buying some, to assemble a few - maybe as many as half a dozen - "correct" rifles with all identifiable parts of the same make and period. Not original, but "correct." Which seemed enough for the Garand enthusasts, because he sold those "corrected" rifles for more than he paid CMP for the whole 25. The remainder, not much worse "mixmasters" than they had started out, were pure profit.
2. Then they took the limits off entirely. I bought a new Kimber .22 at Anniston CMP. I wanted to buy a cheap used one as basis for a custom job like I had seen on the range, but saw the guy ahead of me pick the six of best condition $150 rifles, I gave up on that project. They had gotten in some Winchester Model 52s and Remington 40Xs, too. I watched a guy walk up to the Winchester rack, wrap his arms around as many rifles as he could grab, and heave them over to the counter. I am sure he was going to equip his junior club with classic rifles for the kids to learn to shoot with, right?
The CMP (and the DCM before it) sells rifles below market prices, unless they are auctioning off the highly collectible ones for stupid money. All you have to do to buy one from them is prove you aren't a prohibited person, have participated in some gun related activity (CCWs and military service count as this, BTW), fill out a form, get it notarized, and mail it in with payment, then they send you a rifle directly!
The M1s in the Philippines most likely have been stored in high humidity conditions and may not be in very good condition, so that 86K may end up being a lot less after inspection and repair. The prices won't go down much, if at all, due to the number already in private hands and the demand for them not diminishing.
The M1s in the Philippines most likely have been stored in high humidity conditions and may not be in very good condition, so that 86K may end up being a lot less after inspection and repair. The prices won't go down much, if at all, due to the number already in private hands and the demand for them not diminishing.
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Yeah, my hope is they are at least in slightly better condition than stuff out of South America (I suppose Africa would be at the bottom). I remember the Madsen LMG kits recently, which had been left to the tender mercies of some kind of super-termites (the stocks were more void than wood)
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