Does NOT Seem Like A Good Plan To Me

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Their plan worked. no one was killed. It's easy to second guess them but it ended ok for the couple. Is there room for improvment? yes they learned a lot I am sure.
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i'm curious as to what revisions (if any) they will make to their plan.
 
Ken,
I agree.

Folks,
The name of the game is to make it home at the end of the day, breathing, with all your parts intact and working.

This is why Software is stressed.
Hardware solutions to a software problem is the incorrect way to deal with life.

A code word was used.
I bet if folks were honest and the results shared here, only 10% of the members of THR have any kind of code word/password system as part of their plans to stay safe.


This is S&T, and is anyone besides me paying attention the S&T the Bad Guy used?

Software:
Objective: Total and unexpected surprise of homeowners.
Implementation: Glass breaking surprises, shocks, and stuns .
Result: Throwing occupants off normal behaviors and response.

Hardware: Aluminum base ball bat.

VCA had the Software down pat.
I am pretty sure he does not go around 24/7/52 with that bat.

He could have used anything at the sight for hardware to carry out his software.

Patio chair, downed branch from a tree, Mop left outside to dry after mopping the floor, flower pot , landscape timber, landscape rock...etc.

It is the intent of the user of a tool , not the tool itself. Sound familiar?

Software = Intent.

Homeowner's : had a practiced plan
Bad Guy : To do evil.

What folks forget, is Strategy & Tactics is not Good Guy only thing.
The fact of the matter is, Criminals often times have more hours invested in S&T than good guys. They are better at the Software part than Good Guys are.

It depends on the model of criminal, still criminals simply have more time to learn Software, and invest the time in quality practice of Software.

Good guys have to use the latest "hardware" and use the latest Acronyms, and Jargon.

"You can use this here flashlight that will not only shine to the moon, but will cook eggs on the side of a crater to implement OODA".

"Say Freaky Fred, show the new kid here out of Juvie, how to use a book of matches to "distract", and "scare the <expletive> out of a target", therefore getting the target to hesitate, freeze or freak out so we can take then down".

The Intent is get the other person off kilter , it does not matter if this intent is of a good guy, or bad guy, the Software is to get the other person off kilter.

Hardware is just a way to do this, be it a tricked out light, or book of matches.
 
Dark Soldier, I can only judge from what you've posted here, but you aren't living with your magazines stacked and the pics straightened on your grenades. You are living a perfectly normal, aware lifestyle. Which is how you should be living.

What I meant in that thread long ago, was that nobody can spend 100% of their lives living in condition red, immediately ready for a fight. If you've ever lived that way for any length of time, you'd understand what I meant.

Is someone always awake and armed in your home, ready to respond to an attack and rouse everyone else? Does a family member stand watch while you are indisposed in the shower? Does your family take their meals in shifts so that someone is always ready to immediately respond? Of course not, no one but people who are in ground combat arms in the military actually lives like that for any length of time. Nor should they unless it's absolutely necessary, it's not a healthy lifestyle. The fatigue from sleeping at odd hours in short spurts and the emotional stress from being constantly on edge really wears on a person.

Just like the military rotates soldiers off the front lines and back into base camps where they don't have to live that way, where other people are responsible for their security, we take measures to make sure that our homes provide us with a secure place to relax. Physical measures like deadbolt locks, alarm systems, dogs, all give us a chance to zone out and clear our minds of things because we know that our physcal security measures will give us enough time to react to an attack by providing early warning and slowing the attack down long enough to allow us to prepare.
 
that is in fact what happened in this case.
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Really? Was it the slide racking? Was it the sound of the wife on the phone calling 911? Did the fact that the bedroom door was an exterior type door W/ a deadbolt an really long screws securing it play any part in the BGs decision to run? of all the things that could have caused the guy to run you just assume it was the sound of that shot gun. There's only one person who can answer that question and he ain't talkin'

No one I know lives with a gun on them 24/7. And I know my fair share of people in this industry.
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My apologies that was an exaggeration but I do have one on me from the time I wake up to the time I go to bed and that includes while I'm at home.

As to this thing again I'm not trying to bash the guy's choice, ultimately it worked. But, IMO there we too many variables that could have turned it against the homeowner. I think most of those variables could be mitigated by actually keeping the gun on you a choice for which I seem to be being bashed.

As for "It was reasonable to assume that the noise he heard was the dog" You're absolutely right except that this time, this one in a million time it wasn't the dog, it was the sound of the BG shattering the back slider with a baseball bat. That one in a million time was what the plan was designed to combat, that one in a million time is why I don't take my gun off until I go to bed.

I really didn't mean for that one aspect to become the focus of this thread, I asked two questions

Do you think my concerns are invalid?

What would you have done differently?
 
My apologies that was an exaggeration but I do have one on me from the time I wake up to the time I go to bed and that includes while I'm at home.
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No showers, no time in the tub, no sex? :D

Look the guy and his wife deserve an A- for action. If you want to go OCD tac ninja on their actions for the internet, good for you. May you go A+ in all emergencies and tell us about it.
 
Mr. White,

What I said was that I was living in a state of heightened awareness 24/7. I'm not sure why this seems so unacceptable or impossible to so many folks.

As illustrated in my post, my early warning system is two very big German Shepherds. I have the good locks on my doors and we have a plan refined by years of experience and paying attention to people like you, BullFrogKen, sm, and the people I've worked, all of whom have a lot to offer in the way of S&T.

Yes, I sleep, shower, and make love. That's where the Shepherds come in. If they alert, I'll transition from what I'm doing to the plan. Aside from the training aspect, this is not hard work. It is not the same as patrolling behind enemy lines. It is not the same as living with snipers and IEDs. It is not an imposition or an impediment to enjoying everyday life. It is, in fact, my avenue to enjoying everyday life.

My neighbors have no idea I even own a gun. I don't live scared. I don't live on edge. It's not even something I have to consciously work at as I go about my day to day activities. After all this time, its just what I do.

I'm sorry this seems so distressing to some.

Again, most respectfully,

DarkSoldier
 
As to this thing again I'm not trying to bash the guy's choice, ultimately it worked.
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With your thread title it would seem you are.

His plan of action worked. He and his wife are safe.

If you choose to be armed with a sidearm at all times thats fine for you. Some of us do not feel a need to, simply choose not to, or can't by law.And that is fine too. That does not make us less prepared than you.

His plan is similar to mine, I do not carry in my home.In fact I do not even carry a firearm every time I leave the house.
 
I do not even carry a firearm every time I leave the house.
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I guess you went to the tactical clairavoyence academy, and now you know when you will or won't need a gun
 
Carry at work will leave me unemployed. Just like the 533,000 who lost their jobs this month.

My CT Permit To Carry Pistols and Revolvers is not valid in Mass or RI. I live on the borders of three states. So I should forgo cheap gas,better and closer stores,restaurants, movie theaters etc.....

Just so I can have that all mighty, fight ending,life saving magic talisman on my hip?

Software not Hardware.

Wow I guess I am lucky to have lived so long.
 
I guess you went to the tactical clairavoyence academy, and now you know when you will or won't need a gun
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There's no clairvoyance needed to make an individual risk assessment and act on it.
Believe it or not, some people do not think they are about to become the target of a South American paramilitary hit squad at any moment.

As to your comment:
Really? Was it the slide racking? Was it the sound of the wife on the phone calling 911? Did the fact that the bedroom door was an exterior type door W/ a deadbolt an really long screws securing it play any part in the BGs decision to run? of all the things that could have caused the guy to run you just assume it was the sound of that shot gun.
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I can only quote your own words from the OP:

Husband ( I cringe to say this) racks the slide on the shotgun and BG runs away.
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Sure sounded like cause and effect to me. Maybe you have some extra knowledge here you haven't shared. Or maybe you were making up the OP. I really don't know.
 
Sure sounded like cause and effect to me. Maybe you have some extra knowledge here you haven't shared. Or maybe you were making up the OP. I really don't know
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My apologies, in the original email ( which I'm going to post if I haven't deleted it wouldn't want people thinking I "made it up") they mention that the bad guy was caught just down the street and he said he didn't know exactly what caused him to run.

One each link to the OP guess I didn't "make it up" http://www.deltamediallc.com/products/invasion/Invasion5e.html
 
IMHO if you don't keep one on person at all times. I don't carry 24/7 you should have multiple available safe areas in your house that are easily accessible depending on size. If you live in a 1 bedroom apartment one safe are is probably enough. If you live in a 6 bedroom McMansion you should have at leas 1 per floor and access to a land line or cell phone in each. Cell is probably better because smarter BG's cut phone lines if they are wanting to hurt you and yours. Also know your neighbors and watch each others six. Get an alarm system and a dog you can rest a little easier.
 
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/shrug

They didn't get hurt.

Probably the only thing I would have done differently is recognize the threat of great bodily harm or death posed toward my wife and I by the felon, faster, and address the threat with lethal force to stop the threat, and to protect my wife and I.
 
Probably the only thing I would have done differently is recognize the threat of great bodily harm or death posed toward my wife and I by the felon, faster, and address the threat with lethal force to stop the threat, and to protect my wife and I.
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Could you elaborate on that please?
 
If you take a look at this guy's story, you'll find that strange and odd circumstances don't always hit you the way they do when you're reading them while logged into THR.

His own thoughts were...

I knew it was odd that my door would open (feel/smell the cold breeze) when my girlfriend should be sleeping, but I tried to rationalize it.
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...and that's just it. We have a hard time springing into S.W.A.T. mode when we hear/encounter something peculiar. We first try to rationalize it as this dude did when he thought it was his dog that made the noise. I probably would have checked it out in the same way, but like you, my hardware would not have been so far away.
 
Could you elaborate on that please?
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Yes.

No youngins' in the Slomo domicile, hence my "felonious intruder bent on serious bodily harm or murder" defense weapon would have required no loading and would have been employed immediately to stop the felonious threat against my wife and I.

There are many instances where citizens that fail to employ lethal force in their defense when legally, and morally, justified in doing so. I believe this stems from a combination of failure to recognize the threat for what it is, and the unwillingness to use lethal force due to legal / moral issues, with a twist of "maybe they'll just go away" added to boot. Some times it works out for the good guys, sometimes not.
 
I have started keeping my 45 close at hand when I am in the house. I am still waiting on the state of Texas to give me their permission to CC here in the State outside of my personal property.
 
i dont assume loud crashes are my dog, dogs dont kick in doors and windows. it is also a bad idea to investigate something like that without a gun. what if the stoner had a shot gun? we'd be hearing a different story
 
I've got my magazines stacked and loaded if someone with a bat wants to break in but since I live here in wisconsin we are not allowed out right to carry
 
DarkSoldier said:
What I said was that I was living in a state of heightened awareness 24/7. I'm not sure why this seems so unacceptable or impossible to so many folks.
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Living in a state of heightened awareness 24/7 is not the same as living life with mags stacked and pins straightened.

Let's do away with the euphemism Jeff coined for S&T a few years back that Biker referenced.


Jeff was talking about living in a state of the anticipation of an imminent threat, one so imminent we could probably articulate specifics of the nature and time of the attack. As in ,"at least three armed men, coming from right over there."

That's Condition Red. That's the mindset we're referencing.

Walking around the home armed until we retire from the evening is not the same thing.

I don't belittle anyone who makes that choice. Nor do I belittle anyone who decides to leave the house unarmed. Some folks live in places they don't have that option lawfully.


Perhaps you weren't around to witness what S&T had degenerated into before Jeff started cleaning house. This subforum was not only full of guys who spoke as if they did live that way, but they also belittled those who suggested they lived otherwise. That is what Jeff's "mags stacked and pins straightened" euphemism references.


But I will go as far to challenge the claim that it's possible to live in a state of heightened awareness 24/7. You do sleep, don't you?


Both Jeff and I have lived under periods of 24/7 general alertness, or what would fall under Cooper's "Condition Yellow". It takes a team of people to actually do it for any lengths of time. The mind and body simply cannot handle that level of stress for extended periods. Restful sleep is not compatable with condition yellow. I knew plenty of Marines who were written up for sleeping on post. They weren't derelict; they were simply exhausted. And their Commander, who himself had rest the night before, was looking to make examples.


This couple had a plan, and they immediately put it into place. Yup, luck had a lot to do with it. But luck often has a lot to do with how every single fight goes. Sometimes it's good luck, and sometimes it's bad. That's just life. But they were decisive, had their plan down, and his wife went with it when he called out their code word. I have a tough time getting my wife to go along with me on much of anything. The fact she reacted so quickly says a lot about their trust in each other's judgment and teamwork.


I call that a good day in my book.
 
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