Friend of a Friend was Shot

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MtnCreek

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All this is second and third hand info, so take it as such.

Talking to a friend and his wife this weekend. Friends wife, her sister, sisters husband and two other couples went to a concert in Atlanta. On their way back home, one of the ladies needed to use the restroom, so they stopped at a service station on the south side of Atl. The lady went into the store to use the restroom; her husband (carrying a sidearm; I was told it was holstered, but not concealed) escorted her to the door, opened the door for her and also held the door open for a man walking into the store. He then leaned against the hood of his truck while waiting for his wife to return; everyone else remained in the truck. The man that he had held the store door for came out of the store and said something to the waiting husband; waiting husband said something to the man (I have no idea what was said). The man then walked to his car and returned a few seconds (or minute) later with some type of suppressed firearm (I was told uzi, but have no idea what is really was). He walked up to the waiting husband and shot him once in the lower stomach. He then proceeded to walk (not run) back to his car while the shooters girlfriend yelled at him for shooting someone. My friends wife told me that everyone in the truck sat there in shock and disbelief. They were also armed. I was told the man that was shot stood there and never reached for his weapon, even after being shot. The only person that still had their head on strait was the victims wife; she helped her husband back to his truck and applied pressure to the wounds to try to stop the bleeding. I was told that she was not in shock as the rest were because she didn’t see the shooting. Ambulance showed up about 20
min after the shooting; another 10min for the cops to show up. The man is going to be OK. He had several issues, ruptured colon and septic fluid released in his body.

Other than my friends wife, I don’t know these people; I think I’ve seen some of the before, but that’s it. I have no idea of what types of weapons they were carrying, carry permits, training or competence levels with using weapons. Being second and third hand information, all I can do is pass it on as it was relayed to me.

I don’t know what was said between the two men before the shooting, so I can’t say that impacted the outcome (if I find out, I’ll let everyone know). Obviously, there were some bad decisions made.

1) They shouldn’t have been there in the first place. On principal, I should be able to go anywhere I can legally be, but in reality, they should have not been in that area. The south side of Atlanta (along with most of Atlanta) is a pure crap hole filled with despicable people with No moral compass. I know that and I’m sure they knew that as well. Perhaps being armed made them feel they were safe.
2) The shooting victim was not aware that the man was returning to shoot him. I was told that he walked to his car and returned with a fairly large firearm (not concealed). The victim was aware of this man, he held the door open for him and ‘talked’ to him. I would think that I would have seen him coming toward me with that firearm.
3) Was the victim too nice to the shooter? Did his actions make him appear to be pray? Did that make him more of a target? I don’t know.

If anyone comments on this post, please remember that I don’t know what was said between the men and unless you have information from another source, you don’t know either.

Thoughts???
 
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I'm glad your friend survived.

1) They shouldn’t have been there in the first place. On principal, I should be able to go anywhere I can legally be, but in reality, they should have not been in that area. The south side of Atlanta (along with most of Atlanta) is a pure crap hole filled with despicable people with No moral compass. I know that and I’m sure they knew that as well. Perhaps being armed made them feel they were safe.

If a location looks shady, it probably is. I'll make whoever is whining hold it until the next safe spot...period.

2) The shooting victim was not aware that the man was returning to shoot him. I was told that he walked to his car and returned with a fairly large firearm (not concealed). The victim was aware of this man, he held the door open for him and ‘talked’ to him. I would think that I would have seen him coming toward me with that firearm.

After a concert, I'm assuming we mean really late at night. You are out late AND you are stopping at a shady location. Ding, ding, ding, ding...listen to the bells in your head, shut your trap, pay extra attention to everyone in your surroundings and do what you have to do to get out. You shouldn't have stopped to begin with, but now you have placed yourself in a bad area at the worst time so now isn't the time to chit chat with your buds.

3) Was the victim too nice to the shooter? Did his actions make him appear to be pray? Did that make him more of a target? I don’t know.

I live in the south. I speak or nod to strangers constantly. If it was an argument, it was a dumb idea. You shouldn't be getting into urinating contests when you're carrying. As far as holding the door, I never put someone between me and the woman I'm with like that. I would have held the door for her and went in afterward, even if it required a shoulder bump and a polite excuse me. Holding the door for a potential threat gives you a good view of his behavior, but you're also on "escort duty" and you just placed a potential threat closer to your lady.
 
Not much thoughts since you don't have the whole story.

Shouldn't have been in the area isn't a rational argument here. Atlanta has pockets of bad neighborhoods and you'll always be close to one within the city. Especially anywhere around downtown, the airport or MARTA. Everyone in the city has to go to one of those places sometime or another.
 
my thought is that if you make the choice to carry, you should be aware of you surroundings and you should be fully prepared to use your weapon in a moments notice. as far as I can tell, these folks missed out on both counts.
 
IMO, they shouldn't have stopped at a service station in a bad area for someone to use the restroom. I've left Buckhead late at night and had people with me ask to stop to use the restroom. I travel I-20 to get home. I've passed by Fulton Industrial Blvd (really bad area) with someone in my truck mad as heck at me for not stopping. A few more exits down the road is a much safer place to stop. I feel that stopping in an area that I know to be unsafe is (please excuse the phrase) asking for trouble.
 
Thanks for the story. It's a little vague, but it reminds me to be very congnizant of my surroundings.
 
It sounds to me like your friend's group was the type of gun owner that goes for toolset before mindset. I'd suggest some professional training and maybe a CWL refresher course. A gun is not a magic death ray, nor is it a "totem" that scares away all bad guys. Carrying a gun will also not stop any bullets that may be coming at you.
 
Yeah, I have definitely personally skipped stopping in a shady area to go to the bathroom. It's not worth it. Peeing your pants is better than being shot by some thug piece of garbage. And I don't understand why all these armed people were shocked into total inaction. Sad. Hope they catch the perp...
 
Depends on just how badly one needs to go to the restroom.
Some of you talk as if you have never had an restroom type of emergency.
It happens.
I know it has to me a couple of times due to eating at a certain cafe or restaurant and I could not be too choosy about the place I had to stop less I crap my pants.
 
I'm going to say we have too little information to really judge this family's actions very well. I know I have been in emergencies where I needed to use the restroom and, on one occasion I stopped in a very shady area of town at night to use the restroom at a service station because the clothing I was wearing was not inexpensive and I didn't want to ruin it. A wise choice? Well, I don't know. At the time, it seemed like the only option. So, I definitely am not going to judge them for stopping to use the restroom in a not-so-great area of town. Emergencies happen. Sometimes there's nothing we can do about it.

I think the most important lesson to learn from this situation is that, with no training or insufficient training, our human nature will most likely cause us to freeze up under stress. I'm guessing this is the reason that no one made an effort to fire back at the shooter with the suppressed weapon.
 
I grew up in Forest Park just South of Atlanta. I moved further South because of the way that area changed. You said South Atlanta. I don't know if they were at an exit off the interstate or they were using surface streets but there are many areas I would try to avoid stopping on the South side of Atlanta. I have worked all over downtown & actually attended my apprenticeship school at the corner of Stewart Ave (now called Metropolitan Blvd.) & Fair St. One guy in my apprenticeship class was killed on his way to the interstate after class. He had an altercation with someone in traffic. Apparently thinking it was over he stopped for a red light. The other party (they never found out who) rammed him from behind with their car & shot him in the head. My advice would be not to stop. I don't want to ruffle the feathers of any of the open carry folks here but if I did have to stop I would not advertise anything. Be polite, be aware, be ready to act at a moments notice do your business as quickly as possible & leave.
 
Avoid confrontations at all cost, but remember how ruthless and evil people can be and that they most likely are not as compassionate as you. This is coming from a guy who was almost beaten to death and has witnessed first hand how ruthless people can be. Sorry, but sometimes the phrase, "Shoot First, Ask Questions Later", can really indeed be a great piece of wisdom.

I was approached in a dark parking lot outside Fred Meyer here in Oregon one night. A sketchy guy, who looked like he may be drugged out, saw me loading things into my SUV. Yes, I was in a vulnerable position. I am told criminals look for people loading things into vehicles, who may be preoccupied and might not be fully coherent to defend themselves in a split-second. Anyway, I had a bad feeling in my gut and saw the guy from my peripheral vision running from a good 1/4-1/2 mile away in my direction. It was almost like him and someone else were scoping me out.

I see the guy approaching me and my hand goes right next to my sidearm concealed under my vest. The guy starts telling me he needs me to follow him to a gas station to use my gas card and that he would pay me back or something. HE said something like they won't take cash at this time of night. It didn't make sense and I felt like the guy was setting me up. He was a bit persistant and I was getting nervous. Nonetheless, all I could think about was my training and I was polite, but had my hand on my gun ready to pull it and "USE IT" at a moment's notice. I have seen how bad people can be, and even though he was acting desperate and innocent, I knew in a split second he could put a knife or gun to me and show his trueself. Another reason I was getting more nervous was he had one hand in his pocket the whole time and the hand stayed in the pocket. He did all his gestures with the other hand. I was thinking he had a mouse gun or knife inside the pocket. Anyway, as he walked in my direction, I walked in the other direction. I made it so that at all times that I was behind my car. I eventually moved to a position diagonally opposite of him behind my car and told him in a stern voice I couldn't help him, that I was sorry. The creepy guy eventually left. However, mouthing off to him or getting into a dispute could have escalated this into a more dangerous situation.
 
I'm not against open carry, but I can't help wondering if this wasn't that rare event where open carry was viewed as a challenge or implied threat. You're on his turf (perhaps a racial component here?), carrying a gun which may have triggered something...
 
I'm not against open carry, but I can't help wondering if this wasn't that rare event where open carry was viewed as a challenge or implied threat. You're on his turf (perhaps a racial component here?), carrying a gun which may have triggered something...

That's kinda what I was thinking Kodiak. There is a gang problem in the Atlanta area. There was an incident a couple of years ago IIRC where a couple of gang members shot & killed a recently returned Iraq war veteran that was sitting at a stop light in his vehicle. They wanted to check out the rifle they had just got.
 
I travel I-20 to get home. I've passed by Fulton Industrial Blvd (really bad area) with someone in my truck mad as heck at me for not stopping.

Back in the early 90's I was delivering to a place on Fulton Industrial Blvd., and had gone in and parked at the place to sleep till morning. A few minutes after parking, a cop pulled up to the drivers side of the truck and motioned for me to roll down the window. I did, and he asked if I had a gun in the truck.

Since this was before the days of concealed carry, (and not wanting to incriminate myself), I told him I didn't really think that was a question I wanted to answer. He told me, "Well, if you don't, I'd advise you to not park here."

That told me all I needed to know about Atlanta, and how safe even the cops knew it was. Even back then, there was usually a gun in the truck unless I was going to Canada. It remains the same today. A friend was killed in a robbery the bad guy got all of $7.50 down just South of Greenville, SC a few years back. Ain't too many safe places these days.
 
Did any news organization report on this story? A man getting shot usually makes the newspaper within a day or two.
 
Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

+1000

That may be a hold over from Iraq, but still better to have a plan than not.

There was an incident a couple of years ago IIRC where a couple of gang members shot & killed a recently returned Iraq war veteran that was sitting at a stop light in his vehicle.

I remember hearing about that even up here in Michigan. Dispicable.

I used to work for a juvenile detention center, thought it would be an easy transition from dealing with detainees and suspected terrorists. Boy was I wrong. That was one of the toughest jobs I've ever held. It's hard to wrap your mind around how evil can so fully corrupt someone so young.
 
I looked around about the story the OP related & didn't find anything. That does not mean anything though. In a metropolitan area the size of Atlanta a lot of stuff happens that doesn't grab headlines. It might just get a couple of lines on page 6.
 
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