Does NOT Seem Like A Good Plan To Me

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Ken,

I have told you how I live. You, and several others, have told me that I indeed, do not and cannot live this way, and apparently inferred that I don't have the experience to understand such concepts. Clearly, I can write in this thread until "the Man of Galilee splits the eastern sky and time is no more" and I will not be able to change your opinion.

Obviously, I am relatively new to this forum and as such, am a guest in your house. Therefore, in the words of Rhett Butler, I apologize for all my short-comings.

Respectfully,

DarkSoldier
 
Who cares if someone prefers to be perpetually prepared? DarkSoldier knows someone could still surprise him out of his home when least expected, he just prefers to control his home front thoroughly. People like him are your best friend, because he doesn't feel the need to showcase his firearm, but would be more than happy to use it for you, too.

If I heard a loud noise I'd be halfway in between the camps of total ignorance and gun in hand. More like peering around the corner to see what puppy was--oh crap, that's not---RUN!
 
Regarding the start of this thread...

I'd rather have my wife locked safely in the bedroom with a phone and gun, and me on the wrong side of the door getting clubbed to death, than have me clubbed to death and the BG inside the bedroom with my wife.

Definitely, her job is to run to the bedroom, lock the door, and then decide whether to arm herself first or call the police first. Her job is not to worry about me.
 
This, to me, is an interesting thread. It really shows just how diverse the gun-owning community is. I do wish that people would refrain from insults though. Am I pathetic for carrying 24/7? Perhaps, but I don't expect to have that pointed out to me here... especially in S&T.

Why do I carry 24/7? Partly, because I'm lazy, and I don't have a lot of money right now. I don't really want dogs at this point in my life, I'm not interested in putting in an alarm system ($), and I live alone. So, in reference to the topic of this thread, for me the easiest, simplest, most efficient way to be prepared is to always be carrying.

But I'd like to make a point here. Several people have said how uncomfortable that would be -- my answer is, maybe for you, but not for me. In the evening I change from jeans and IWB to sweats and a SmartCarry, worn strong-side with the butt of the same G19 I've been carrying all day, above the waistband of the sweats. I hardly know its there, honestly. (If you've never tried a using a SmartCarry this way I highly recommend it.)

And mentally, I'm not thinking about it all the time, I'm not in "condition yellow", I forget its there most of the time. As a matter of fact, I'm more relaxed because I have it. If there's a noise, I don't have to get all freaked out about an intruder getting between me and my gun -- it simply can't happen. Same thing with having it on the nightstand at night -- its there not because I worry so much, but simply so that I don't have to worry.

I guess its just up to each individual to do what they are most comfortable with. In my life, its easier and more relaxed for me to carry 24/7. In reference to the OP, they obviously thought about and practiced their plan, so that's the way they were comfortable living. I see no problem with that. As a matter of fact, if it had worked out worse for them I still don't think I would criticize their choices -- in the end we will all gravitate to our comfort zone, the one we can maintain indefinitely. Its always a series of risk assessments and compromises. That's life.
 
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MyRoad,

Well said. I totally agree with you when you wrote:

"in the end we will all gravitate to our comfort zone, the one we can maintain indefinitely. Its always a series of risk assessments and compromises."

And I think this will be different for each of us.

Respectfully,

DarkSoldier
 
A very interesting thread. I am new to all of this, though not new to life. The world situation and US politics and the economy have reignited my interest in firearms and home defense. This is a fascinating case study which I will take to heart as a starting point for learning.
We have done some things - we have a dog, though she doesn't really bark quite enough she will warn of strangers at the door. We do have an alarm we use at night, and when the house was being built, I did think to have the phone line buried under the driveway so you cannot cut it at the house. For that, you need to figure out which line it is down at the streetside phone box. Doable, but harder.
We do have some firearms, including a couple of pistols and a 20ga pump shotgun that would work well.
What we don't have yet - and this thread will prompt me to develop - is a plan.
Some good insights here & thanks to all.
Dark Soldier, I like the tone of your posts. I think you'd make a great friend and a terrible enemy.
Best wishes and prayers to all for a blessed Christmas season.
 
Old Salty Dog

Thanks. Given the choice, I'll settle for being a great friend anytime. I look forward to reading your posts. You've already given me something to think about with the buried phone line and there's nothing wrong with a 20 ga. pump.

There are a lot of talented, experienced people posting here from whom we can learn.

Respectfully,

DarkSoldier
 
TREO...I can't find a thing wrong with your plan and would act the same as you. Threatening perp/invader gets ONE opportunity to get the hell out. If s/he doesn't avail him/herself of said-opportunity, then "it's time." And having one's weapon "on" while in the house is the epitome of appropriate "carry." Folks who get busted for whacking an invader don't get taken down for having a gun on their person or at hand--they get taken down for over-zealousness based on other factors, such as NOT allowing for personal (or perp) escape, etc.

And, FTR, the "one chance" doesn't have to be verbally delivered--if the perp is actively approaching (or whaling on the wife/whoever) then s/he has already demonstrably waived their "one chance."

A lot of gun/defense cases can be reviewed online, and as much as we'd like to just "go with" what we read/hear coming from within our own ranks as far as background stories, the court documents usually paint very different pictures than the ones that we paint in very highly biased and self serving fashion for ourselves.

There's what we want to wish/emphasize as important...and then there's legal precedent for what juries/judges are actually going to regard as important. Want to defeat a criminal? Then learn to think like one...want to get the jury/judge on your side? Then learn to think like them AHEAD OF TIME.
 
I don't carry my gun with me in the house. It restricts the activities I can do, I have to maintain consciousness of it at all times and it just degrades quality of life too much.

The thing is, if someone wants to kill you badly enough, you're going to be dead, end of story. There's more ways to die than you can name. bacillus anthracis, the bacteria whose spores are called anthrax, is commonly found in the soil. So common it used to be called the wool sorter's disease, for all the men who got the skin infections working with sheeps wool that were laden with it. Anybody with a small knowledge of bio lab procedures can send you a nice package of anthrax spores in a within a week. Ricin is an extremely potent protein synthesis inhibitor that's easily purified from the pulp seed waste of castor oil production of castor beans. It'll strip the adenine base from rRNA, disabling 1800 ribosomes a minute. A single molecule will kill a cell. 70 micrograms, that is 70/millionths of a gram- which will fit on the point of a needle, will kill you once it gets into your bloodstream. There's no antidote, and nobody can help you. Ricin is illegal to manufacture and keeping anthrax cultures has been illegal since the scare of the early 2000's, but would that stop anybody who was planning to kill you anyways? Particularly when they're both easy and quick to manufacture, and the regulations are basically unenforceable? It'd only take some cheap materials and a few hours to a week to do it.
You simply can't be safe from everything, so I've long decided I'll take a reasonable level of precaution, without allowing fear to compromise the enjoyment of the rest of my life too much.
 
...Ricin is illegal to manufacture and keeping anthrax cultures has been illegal since the scare of the early 2000's, but would that stop anybody who was planning to kill you anyways?...
Um... really? I highly doubt that in my small town, there is anyone capable or knowledgeable enough to produce these deadly toxins (unless of course you just gave them the info they needed :neener:). Nor do I think there is anyone "who really wants to kill me" - personally.

On the other hand, we do have a known local problem with Meth, and there are drug addicts who do things that range from stupid to deadly. If I found myself in a position where I was defending my life, the odds are it would not be personal, it would be completely random. It would most likely not be well-planned on their part, more likely a crime of opportunity. And the odds of their attack being made with a biological weapon? Not even worth going there.

I don't carry my gun with me in the house. It restricts the activities I can do, I have to maintain consciousness of it at all times and it just degrades quality of life too much.
Then I would agree 100% that you should not carry all the time. I would assume for those that do carry "24/7", they have made their peace with it in some way, become physically and mentally comfortable enough that it does not negatively impact their lives. It works for some, not for others.
 
Now here's how the seen would have played in Treo's house

Treo's sitting in the recliner, large dog goes to kitchen. Treo hears Gawd awful crash from the kitchen, gets up draws his CCW that he is never W/out and as he goes to investigate runs into the aforementioned crack head W/ baseball bat the crackhead is promptly covered by Treo's EDC (CZ75B) & and give one chance to surrender. Based on the crackhead's response Treo takes appropriate action while dear wife is calling the fuzz to come clean up the mess.

I like my plan better

Seriously, do you guys agree that my concerns are valid?

What would you have done differently?
For once you and I agree on something. I also CC everywhere. I don't need my wallet when I'm at home, but it's still in my pocket. Same thing with my CCW. It's always there, just like my wallet or my keys. No running to get it.

Anyway, as far as the guy's plan, I suppose it could have been better. But ultimately the situation was pass/fail and they passed. I know that's a simplistic way to look at it, but I think that if he was old and uncomfortable confronting an armed intruder, holing up in the bedroom was a good idea. Still, an armed retreat would have been better than running for the gun. I personally would have confronted the intruder as well, but that's a personal choice and a risk that not everyone is willing to take. I can't fault him for not wanting to take that risk. Personally, as a young guy with good reflexes and sound judgement, I think I could effectively handle confronting the intruder, and while it would put me at more risk, I think it would be wrong for me to let a violent criminal leave my property in anything but a cop car (or an ambulance, his choice), because he is a threat to my community. But again, that's a personal choice that I would have to make, and I can't fault anyone else for choosing differently.
 
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No plan survives contact with the enemy. This seems like a perfect example of that.

It worked well enough though, and was better then NOT having a plan.
 
TREO...........the old peolpe rule.............your plan is lame

In the words of the late Richard Pryor, "Old men don't get to be old without knowin' sumpin." "Boy. you better watch out Boy, I'll take my bad leg off and wear yo ass out wid it!"
 
entirely irrelivant......... plain and simple....... guy had a "small dog"........!!!!
small dogs bark when a crickett farts... no one gets in the house unannounced... yeah, serious...

Ive got a Big dog for defence, and a small dog as an alarm.. 3 times better than any alarm system, hands down.

regaurdless, myself and my better half are both armed... Id feel a lil sorry for the crackhead with a bat who got nailed with his own bat....

and bit by my "small dog"...

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I'm happy to hear it ended up with the homeowners winning. They're alive, and a tragedy was averted, and that's all that counts.

Aiyee--There's a lot of words being thrown in here. I'll chime in with my 19-year old nickel. (oodles of life experience, I know.)

Home is where you need to feel safe. It took a long time for me to get that feeling in my apartment, since I'm not living at home--And therefore no security blanket of big house, nice neighborhood, vigilant dad, and level headed mom.

Lock your doors, lock your windows, turn your porch light on, have your cell phone and gun nearby, and just enjoy life. If the time comes to defend yourself, you'll be able to react before it turns sour. Same reason for locking your bedroom door at night. That extra layer of protection never hurts.
 
my road, he is correct about ricin, in fact if someone just stuck a seed down your throat you could die(assuming you didn't vomit of course) that being said I don't worry about ppl coming after me with castor beans eithier.

erycip's point I agree with theres lots of ways to kill each other and all you can do is prepare for the most common ones. As far as the OP I think the plans ok. Theirs is much more in depth then mine(which is dog alerts qwert65 attacks(I only have one entrance/exit where I currently live and bars on the windows so no E&E for me:) )
 
Screw that. My dog KNOWS better than to knock crap over in the house. Breaking or crashing in my house is BAD NEWS and will be met with sharp Shepherd teeth or a 870. You decide. That's MY plan.
 
I'd bet the BG thought they were nuts and ran away in fear. Yelling, screaming and running about tends to un-nerve the weak minded.
 
In the tale, the guy should have been armed in his house watching tv, and so should his wife. I am not clear on when he left the bed room.. if he left the shottie behind he was asking fer it..

I carry from the moment I wake to the moment I take my pants off. Then the weapon of the day is placed on a stand at my head.

I don't shower with out a stainelss wheel gun on a shelf in the shower... Once dressed leaving the shower if the plan is to leave the property i will leave the bath room with 2 hand guns, and if the plan is to stay on the property just the one.

You can't see another home from where i live much less hear a gun fired.

So you can't call it a neighborhood, muchless a good or bad one.

I leaned to be never with out a fire arm... maybe that is because the Police told me "To Serve and protect" means they are not my personal body guards, or maybe it is because the state disarmed my father in law, a 30 year Army man and then 30 more working Kodak under classified, who was murdered with his 2nd wife.

What ever it is I do not go unarmed any where, anytime, ever.

To see me you wouldn't know I was armed with a weapon and a back up weapon to that weapon. No one in the post office does.

If and when a bad day comes I won't be needing to go anywhere to get armed. I just am.

Me weakest time is sleeping, and the 2 dogs take care of that. Oh what a rukus they make because they think every UPS deliver means dog cookies, which it pretty much does if the regular guy shows up. :D
 
If you don't have your gun on you all the time, you're probably trying to carry too much gun. A great big gun won't do you much good if it's in another room. Carry whenever you have some clothes on. This may mean you can't carry a 1911 with a 5" barrel. Or maybe you could just swap guns when you come home like Mr Rogers used to swap shoes; put your Desert Eagle away and pocket your Rohrbaugh.
 
I would consider myself in a constant condition yellow, aside from sleeping. That being said, I'm usually up differant hours than the other people in the house so while we're at home, someone is usually up. We have a big german sheppard, and everyone in the home is handy with a pistol.

A little background, for those who care to know...

I recently got divorced, and got the short end of the stick in the deal. I'm due to ship out in March for USMC boot, and since I've been in the DEP so long (I was a tier two, had to do college etc) it was in my best interest to settle. The next closest court date availible would be after my scheduled ship date, which if I missed I would be discharged indefinately, cannot have the divorce open when I leave. She ended up with my apartment, so for the time being I've found myself back here at home.

A little about the house...

Our front door here does not lock. It has been broken into (not by any outsider) more than once, and the whole frame is screwed up. In some instances we use a long 2X4 to wedge it shut, but that isn't often. My ma has taken courses and qualified with her pistol, which she keeps loaded and within reach. My brother, though not here this very moment, is a Marine himself and plenty proficient with firearms. There are no small children or kids in the house. While at home, I've usually got a pistol with me. Say there is a time that I'm on the couch, the can etc and it is not comfortable on my person, it will be on the coffee table/nightstand etc. wherever is readily accessible and not obstructed. We have in fact had incidents where a noise was heard, and upon investigation had strangers turn hide when discovered before entirely being in the house, and one instance (I wasn't home for) when a man decided to let himself in. Strange though it may be, when I go into the shower, my pistol is in there. When I go to sleep, it is beside me. It is never far from me, and I understand some people view this as excessive but I've become accustomed to it and it doesn't really affect/inconveniance me in any way.

That being said, there is no formal emergency plan in my home.

These people's plan could have improvements, back up plans, sure. But I would assume this hasn't happened to them before, and they did not know what to expect. I am sure this was educational, and no matter how intensely you regulate yourself you will never cover every single base, and may just find yourself in the one situation seemingly by chance tailored to defeat your preperations. There is always room for improvement.

My clumbsy dog is the perpetrator for many of the bumps in the night here, and in my particular situation, I may have met this man with a weapon at the ready, not cause I feel the need to walk around my home with an arsenal on my person complete with bandoliers and frag grenades, because one is never far from me and when I move it comes with me. Aside from this, our weapons are kept in designated areas.

I'm always open to suggestions/constructive criticism, I am certainly not the perfect man and someone else's perspective might enlighten me to something I did not see. Just for what it's worth, I feel it's legit some of us are very rarely in condition white except during times we have no choice in the matter.

PS - Congrats to the couple for overcomming this. Glad to hear their plan worked, and they made it through unscathed.
 
I aggree whole heartedly, it's far past due. That whole part of the door frame would probably have to be rebuilt, where the bolt fits in is completely torn out to the inside. I guess it's more of a cost issue, and with money so tight for everyone maybe I should be considering my contribution to that rather than my next boomstick...
 
nrthwoods,
Get a rectangular steel plate, about 12 inches by 3. The thickness is whatever you can fit between the door frame and the stud in the wall, after you take off the door trim.

Screw this plate into the gap between the door frame and the stud. To do this, drill some clearance holes in the door frame to put in the screws, (the screws secure the plate to the stud in the wall) and then fill the holes with plugs or caulk.

You now have a solid metal base, mounted to the stud, on which to build up a metal or wood replacement for the broken out frame.
 
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