General Purpose .30 Rifle...Red Dot or Variable Power?

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:) 444, I guess I'm like a lotta Old Farts; I sorta stay with what I'm used to. Habits and reflexes. For instance, when I get off a stand to go walking, I automatically crank the scope down to minimum--I learned the hard way. :) If something jumps and runs, I keep both eyes open at least until the crosshairs are where I want them...All that sort of stuff. Mostly using just one rifle tends to make life easier, particularly after a big bunch of years.

Art
 
I tend to think of red dot sights as being pretty specialized - -

- - bits of gear. Great for up-close-and-personal combat stuff. When antipersonnel matters get very far out, an accomplished rifle shot can usually do better with a more conventional scope sight. The red dot is more for those who are too preoccupied with tactics and movement than with precision shooting. And this is exactly what is called for in combat, barring a sniper/designated sharpshooter role.

Red dot stuff is also very handy in short range hunting situations - - close brush, dark woods, swamps and such where a shot longer than 50 yards is just not an option. Really superb indoors and in dim alleyways.

For all around use, though, from fairly close out to the limits of the shooter's ability, I believe the non-battery-reliant scope is far better. The real utility of an optical sight, IMO, is that it places everything in one optical plane - - No need to line up front sight, rear sight, and target. With the now-standard duplex crosshair reticle, the heavy posts at the outside bring the focus to the center of the field, and the fine center hairs allow for precision aiming, be the scope two power or nine. I very happily hunted for many seasons with a fixed 4X scope on an '06. Seldom too much power, never too little . . . .

The lower power scopes allow a far wider field of view, and this is usually a good thing in the hunting field. Art's clean kill at 330 yards with a 3X scope is a tribute to his steadiness and trigger manipulation. He had all the magnification he needed to place the crosshair on the shoulder - Or, more probably, neck, of the animal. I'd wager good money the deer would have been just as well hit had he used a scope set on one or 1.5 power. At that range, it matters little the EXACT point of the bullet's strike - - Anywhere within a six-inch circle is true precision. :D

With all respect, 444, I have to smile at the image of Art with a red dot sight mounted on that L-O-O-N-G barrelled .30-06, scouring the high desert for Bambi's bubba . . . . Gotta agree wholeheartedly with your comment about shooter/equipment/skill. (That Ol' Fart can outshoot - - and outWALK - - lotsa men half his age . . .) And there's a probably good REASON he went to the trouble of setting up his own 500 yard range, just outside his back door. Lotta strikes on those plates, too, before I began shooting at 'em:p. (And only a few more when I finished.)

Best,
Johnny
 
I would have to vote for variable power scope. It is possible to get fairly quick target acquisition even at closer range. (If that was your reasoning for a red dot optic.)
When I was younger I hunted whitetails with my dad's old Remington 700 .30-06. A deer comes high-tailing through the brush, raised rifle, aimed, fired. The deer was no more than 25-30 yds. away. Dropped it right there. Scope was set on 4X. The whole scenario happened very fast, I still don't know how I made that shot. :)
 
Since an '06 is a sorta Ma Bell critter

I like that Art.

:)

Most of my hunting is within 100 yards with an '06 or a .270. That's just the way it is in Northern MN. I do quite a bit of still hunting and sitting-aganst-a-tree hunting. I've never really noticed a problem with a 3x9 scope cranked down to 4 if I need to get off a quick shot. I just aim and shoot, it doesn't seem to slow me down and I keep both eyes open(actually I only go up to 9 to check thinks out deep in the tall timber if I forgot my binocs).

A long eye relief scope is a cool option, and I want one on my open site Rem 740 bush beater someday, but I'll agree with others that a variable power scope in 3-9x makes for a much more versatile rifle -- especially if it's your one and only. You can get a Weaver Grand Slam or Leupold VX 2 in the $200s if you look around.
 
Since its a 30-06 semi-auto, you are using full-power loads that can properly cycle the action. If that is the case, then a red dot sighting device is not appropriate. I think a variable scope might be better off. Just remember to turn it down all the way when you are not using it. A variable power scope in low power could be just as fast as a iron-sighted scope.
 
My 30-06 carries a straight 4x scope, it small and light weight, with fewer moving parts to break than a variable, and no batteries to replace, it's on a tip off mount allowing for quick access to the open sights, and the open sights are painted with Superluminova, giving me 8-10 hours of glow time with a ten minute exposure to light.
 
just exactly what is the problem with the irons?

I like red dots.. and you can get 2 and 4 power red dots just as easily as low power leupolds...best of both worlds.... just carry an extra battery...
 
ive got one of the trigicon 1x4x30s on my ar10 and its a great sight. Darned near as fast as an aimpoint and much better at distance. ive also got a acog and a few aimpoints and this scope has become a favorite it kind of bridges the gap between all of them.
 
Got a lot of money to spend?

Look at an Elcan SpecterDR. 1x or 4x sight with illumination that can be set as a dot or illuminated crosshairs complete will bullet drop reticle.

Another possibility is the IOR QR-TS Pitbull 1:4x scope
 
This thread is seven years old. I don't think that Skunkabilly really is interested in the replies at this point...
 
I love the forward scout mount with an extended eye relief scope. You can have both eyes open and on the target which makes finding what you want to shoot and hitting it quickly a snap.

BTW you bought a killer great gun!

Amy
 
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