Going to SHOT Show this year
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Kilroy
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Booth number for Accu-Shot?
caseydog
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I can't believe nobody picked out and suggested the obvious, Tom Gresham broadcasting GunTalk from the show and Oleg Volk ~ nationally known defender of the RKBA and esteemed owner of THR and A Human Right attending , hmmmm.
Tom put Oleg on the show !!!
Tom put Oleg on the show !!!
Travis McGee
Member
Kilroy: the booth number for accu-shot is 929, in the LE room.
The convention center is a Clark County government building. The SHOT show has no say over the carrying of guns.
That being said, I have carried pretty much everywhere including Cashman Field.
I would like to meet up with some of you guys, if not at the show, maybe for dinner or drinks one night. I know I said this the last time and was all ready to go but I was just too stinkin tired to make it. This year I should be OK. I no longer work on the strip.
That being said, I have carried pretty much everywhere including Cashman Field.
I would like to meet up with some of you guys, if not at the show, maybe for dinner or drinks one night. I know I said this the last time and was all ready to go but I was just too stinkin tired to make it. This year I should be OK. I no longer work on the strip.
FWIW I'll be there, as an attendee, not an exhibitor. If you want to find me, a good first place to look would be the S&W booth. I'll probably be there a good deal of the time, discussing the .500. Other places to look would be Serbu Firearms, Valkyrie Arms, GemTech, and Small Arms Review/LMO, all (I think) in the law enforcement ghetto.
I'm planning to bring a few copies of UC with me, maybe a dozen or so, so if you want to buy an inscribed one, email me and I'll try to make sure I have one for you.
Suggestions for those who haven't been:
SHOT is BIG. I spend the entire first day making sure I see it all. I spend a few minutes each talking with the people I know personally, but keep moving and give EVERYTHING a *quick* once-over. I don't get distracted. I carry a notebook and write down the booth number and product description of things that interest me.
The next morning I have the list of the places I want to revisit, arranged by booth number with the aid of a map so that I don't travel back and forth any more than necessary.
I always have a wheeled thing to pull behind me to carry literature, samples, etc.
The third day I go tell lies with my friends that are set up at the show, and pester certain exhibitors to cut me better deals and/or bring out certain variants of their products that their marketing departments aren't forward-thinking enough to realize would sell like ten-cent quarters.
I can't advise you what hotel to choose; I have a girlfriend who lives in Vegas and I stay at her house.
John Ross
I'm planning to bring a few copies of UC with me, maybe a dozen or so, so if you want to buy an inscribed one, email me and I'll try to make sure I have one for you.
Suggestions for those who haven't been:
SHOT is BIG. I spend the entire first day making sure I see it all. I spend a few minutes each talking with the people I know personally, but keep moving and give EVERYTHING a *quick* once-over. I don't get distracted. I carry a notebook and write down the booth number and product description of things that interest me.
The next morning I have the list of the places I want to revisit, arranged by booth number with the aid of a map so that I don't travel back and forth any more than necessary.
I always have a wheeled thing to pull behind me to carry literature, samples, etc.
The third day I go tell lies with my friends that are set up at the show, and pester certain exhibitors to cut me better deals and/or bring out certain variants of their products that their marketing departments aren't forward-thinking enough to realize would sell like ten-cent quarters.
I can't advise you what hotel to choose; I have a girlfriend who lives in Vegas and I stay at her house.
John Ross
Jeff OTMG
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The 'no personal guns' policy is that of the show organizer. Convention centers owned by the cities in Texas, including Dallas and Houston, are prohibited from posting 30.06 signs, but SHOT policy is no personal firearms. I have gone to SHOT since 1985 and it has always been that way.
As an aside, I have carried just about every day of my life for over 20 years and I do not feel a need to carry in Las Vegas in the strip area and feel safe. Criminals on the strip have much more to fear from the mob than from the MLVPD.
As an aside, I have carried just about every day of my life for over 20 years and I do not feel a need to carry in Las Vegas in the strip area and feel safe. Criminals on the strip have much more to fear from the mob than from the MLVPD.
Travis McGee
Member
John Ross:
I look forward to meeting you at some point during the show. I want to bring my well-worn copy of Unintended Consequences for you to possibly sign, if I can only track it down among the several relatives who had it at last report. Hopefully I can find and recover it in time for the SHOT Show.
Matt Bracken
I look forward to meeting you at some point during the show. I want to bring my well-worn copy of Unintended Consequences for you to possibly sign, if I can only track it down among the several relatives who had it at last report. Hopefully I can find and recover it in time for the SHOT Show.
Matt Bracken
CAPTAIN MIKE
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SHOT SHOW DOESN'T TRUST CCW HOLDERS
Very interesting.
I called the folks at Reed Exhibitions regarding their CCW policy. Quote:"For security purposes, no weapons are allowed at the SHOT Show".
I asked the rep to explain. She repeated the same sentence. I said, "Okay then, what is the LOGIC behind that policy?". She said, "We don't wan't anyone walking around with a weaon."
"Isn't it true" I said "that all of the Attendees and Exhibitors will actually be MORE SECURE if CCW Permit Holders and Off-Duty LEOs are not disarmed?"
"We can't have anyone walking around with weapons" she said. But she gave no answer to my question about being more secure if we CCW permit holders and LEOs are not disarmed. Instead she repeated the no-weapons "for security purposes" mantra.
Can anyone explain to me why the SHOT show - of all the shows out there - should be so "narrow minded. Does Dianne Feinstein and Sarah Brady have some control over thise we don't know about? For crying out loud, the 2004 SHOT Show is NOT taking place in the People's Socialist Republic of California and LEOs & CCW permit holders are bona fide Good Guys.
So what exactly IS the logic of such a backwards & narrow-minded policy?
Very interesting.
I called the folks at Reed Exhibitions regarding their CCW policy. Quote:"For security purposes, no weapons are allowed at the SHOT Show".
I asked the rep to explain. She repeated the same sentence. I said, "Okay then, what is the LOGIC behind that policy?". She said, "We don't wan't anyone walking around with a weaon."
"Isn't it true" I said "that all of the Attendees and Exhibitors will actually be MORE SECURE if CCW Permit Holders and Off-Duty LEOs are not disarmed?"
"We can't have anyone walking around with weapons" she said. But she gave no answer to my question about being more secure if we CCW permit holders and LEOs are not disarmed. Instead she repeated the no-weapons "for security purposes" mantra.
Can anyone explain to me why the SHOT show - of all the shows out there - should be so "narrow minded. Does Dianne Feinstein and Sarah Brady have some control over thise we don't know about? For crying out loud, the 2004 SHOT Show is NOT taking place in the People's Socialist Republic of California and LEOs & CCW permit holders are bona fide Good Guys.
So what exactly IS the logic of such a backwards & narrow-minded policy?
BluesBear
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I know of NO gun show anywhere that allows the carry of a loaded weapon by anyone other than Peace Officers.
Well, it doesn't really matter if the SHOT show itself wants to allow concealed carry or not, since you couldn't legally do it in the convention center anyway. Their policy doesn't really matter from a practical standpoint although I agree that it seems unusual for a gun trade show to have a policy about carrying guns. My guess would be that they don't want the obvious, knee jerk reaction that would come if something happened. If something happened at a benie baby show it would be reported, but at a gun show it would be an "I told you so" and "We don't want these evil guns or their manufacturers in town".
At the risk of being flamed, I am not surprised or particularly offended at a "No CCW" rule at the SHOT show, for the following reason:
People carry to protect themselves. Attacks almost always happen away from crowds. When you are carrying and go into an area with other people, no one knows. The gun stays hidden and unmentioned. All is well. At an art exhibit or baseball game, no one has ever had an ND because every carry gun stayed holstered.
At the SHOT show, or any other gun show, you have a HUGE number of CCW holders, much more than the percentage of the general population.
EVERYONE THERE likes guns, unlike at the art museum, grocery store, or baseball stadium. So now, instead of the CCW holder walking through the art exhibit, grocery aisle, etc. with his gun holstered and unmentioned, now he sees the ROBAR booth and says "Hey Robbie! Look at my carry gun and tell me which of your finishes would be best for it, would you?" Out comes the [insert favorite handgun here] and the guy sweeps a dozen people (maybe just their feet) with it while he unloads it. Repeat this scene HUNDREDS (thousands?) of times as attendees show off their favorite carry pieces to like-minded enthusiasts.
The law of large numbers tells us that with this many people in one place showing others their loaded carry guns, there is a high probability of a ND (Jeff Cooper had one with a scout .308 a year or two ago at a talk he gave at a hotel at SHOT or SOF, I forget which. No injuries.) Cops have "clearing boxes"--I guarantee it isn't for some theoretical problem that hasn't happened yet.
SHOT is so big, it's like Oshkosh is with planes. Almost every year, there is at least one fatality during the week-long fly-in there. It's not because Oshkosh has bad safety procedures, it's the law of large numbers.
The rule for guns at SHOT is NO FIRING PINS. I cannot fault this rule, given the quantity of people milling around.
JR
People carry to protect themselves. Attacks almost always happen away from crowds. When you are carrying and go into an area with other people, no one knows. The gun stays hidden and unmentioned. All is well. At an art exhibit or baseball game, no one has ever had an ND because every carry gun stayed holstered.
At the SHOT show, or any other gun show, you have a HUGE number of CCW holders, much more than the percentage of the general population.
EVERYONE THERE likes guns, unlike at the art museum, grocery store, or baseball stadium. So now, instead of the CCW holder walking through the art exhibit, grocery aisle, etc. with his gun holstered and unmentioned, now he sees the ROBAR booth and says "Hey Robbie! Look at my carry gun and tell me which of your finishes would be best for it, would you?" Out comes the [insert favorite handgun here] and the guy sweeps a dozen people (maybe just their feet) with it while he unloads it. Repeat this scene HUNDREDS (thousands?) of times as attendees show off their favorite carry pieces to like-minded enthusiasts.
The law of large numbers tells us that with this many people in one place showing others their loaded carry guns, there is a high probability of a ND (Jeff Cooper had one with a scout .308 a year or two ago at a talk he gave at a hotel at SHOT or SOF, I forget which. No injuries.) Cops have "clearing boxes"--I guarantee it isn't for some theoretical problem that hasn't happened yet.
SHOT is so big, it's like Oshkosh is with planes. Almost every year, there is at least one fatality during the week-long fly-in there. It's not because Oshkosh has bad safety procedures, it's the law of large numbers.
The rule for guns at SHOT is NO FIRING PINS. I cannot fault this rule, given the quantity of people milling around.
JR
Oleg Volk
Moderator Emeritus
Why not simply request that carry weapons stay concealed and not be handled during the show?
I know nothing.
That being said, let's take a breath here.
This is a commercial event, with economic realities to contend with; let alone legal and political.
One of those elements is insurance, and the cost thereof. Disguise it any way you want, but keeping costs down is one of their major priorities.
Figure it out. NOW is it plain enough??
Inconvenient, perhaps? They don't care.
REAL potential need for self-defense? Not hardly.
Bottom line- QYBA! AIN'T gonna change!! (Despite our WISHES otherwise)
Just come; enjoy, and fuggedaboudit.
(My final .02)
That being said, let's take a breath here.
This is a commercial event, with economic realities to contend with; let alone legal and political.
One of those elements is insurance, and the cost thereof. Disguise it any way you want, but keeping costs down is one of their major priorities.
Figure it out. NOW is it plain enough??
Inconvenient, perhaps? They don't care.
REAL potential need for self-defense? Not hardly.
Bottom line- QYBA! AIN'T gonna change!! (Despite our WISHES otherwise)
Just come; enjoy, and fuggedaboudit.
(My final .02)
Oleg Volk
Moderator Emeritus
Next question is: does SHOT enforce the no-CCW rule? Do they have attended metal detectors ?
John Ross
That ND event you mentioned in your last post occured at the Palace Staion Hotel.
By the way, this has nothing to do with nothing, but the security at the convention center is pretty good. Those convention center authority security guards you see in there are not your typical rent a cop. The vast majority of them are retired police officers. They have retired officers from pretty much all over the country and have the patches of their former employers displayed in the security office. I have interacted with the convention center security officers on many occasions and have been very impressed with them. I have had a couple problems there over the years and when I complained they made me sit down while they got on the phone and sorted the problem out immediately including having several other people report to the office to find out what went wrong if anything on their part.
Yes, there are also unarmed security guards that have been hired by the event, but the convention center security guards themselves are pretty much all long time vet. law enforcement officers from major departments all over the US.
That ND event you mentioned in your last post occured at the Palace Staion Hotel.
By the way, this has nothing to do with nothing, but the security at the convention center is pretty good. Those convention center authority security guards you see in there are not your typical rent a cop. The vast majority of them are retired police officers. They have retired officers from pretty much all over the country and have the patches of their former employers displayed in the security office. I have interacted with the convention center security officers on many occasions and have been very impressed with them. I have had a couple problems there over the years and when I complained they made me sit down while they got on the phone and sorted the problem out immediately including having several other people report to the office to find out what went wrong if anything on their part.
Yes, there are also unarmed security guards that have been hired by the event, but the convention center security guards themselves are pretty much all long time vet. law enforcement officers from major departments all over the US.
45nut
Member
I will also be attending my first S.H.O.T. Show this coming month. I have been reading about this in various gun rags over 20 years and frankly,I am about tired of waiting ! My interest is wide and varied and I am sure that for the first day I will just carry water and a bag for samples. The water for replacing the fluids that will be escaping out the corners of my mouth ! I live in the high desert of Orygun and the climate in LV should not be that different,but my drooling will nessitate plenty of water intake ! The second day will be for picures as allowed for placement on the reports I will be making on Cast Boolits . I expect that chance meetings are possible,so look for a bearded guy with a NRA hat with a Cast Boolits business card pinned on the side. I intend to attend the SCI Convention next year to help with plans for a African Safari. Both should be quite inspiring ! 45nut
Jeff OTMG
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SHOT requires all guns to be deactivated and does not allow live ammo at the show. It is a safety issue. I have been to more than one gun show where some bozo decided to torch a round off inside and with SHOT being over 500,000 sq feet having live guns and live ammo woud be asking for trouble. I have seen people at the show that do not belong there and Las Vegas is one of the worse because it is easy for the Californians to get there on the weekend. Dallas and Houston are other bad places because of all the people in Texas that go treating it like a gun show. IF you carry, don't touch it.
Sydwaiz
Member
What are you saying about us Kalifornians? Just because we are oppressed doesn't mean we are a bunch of idiots.
Instead of asking Reed, who's the company handling the show from the organizational perspective (setting up exhibits, hiring workers, wiring phones and electricity, etc.), I sent an email to the SHOT Show itself. Follows is the response from their VP:
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Hello Larry,
The SHOT SHOW is not the one restricting anyone from carrying their firearm into the show. It is a Convention Center policy that we must adhere to regarding this.
If you have any other questions please feel free to contact me.
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Remember, aim before you fire.
And what Sydwaiz said!
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Hello Larry,
The SHOT SHOW is not the one restricting anyone from carrying their firearm into the show. It is a Convention Center policy that we must adhere to regarding this.
If you have any other questions please feel free to contact me.
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Remember, aim before you fire.
And what Sydwaiz said!
Rob Pincus
Member
That's a funny political answer.... SHOT policy is that all firing pins are removed and all guns are inspected and tagged by Safety Inspectors.
Those of you just coming to "look around"... and there are a lot of you, please keep in mind that this is supposed to be a closed trade show, not the worlds largest gun show. It is not about RKBA. It is about $$$$ and business. No one at any particular manufacturer booth really cares all that much about selling any particular attendee a gun. They care about selling a gun shop owner 10 or a distributor 1000.
Please don't take this wrong... I'm all for lookers and have gotten people passes so that they could do just that in the past... but make sure you understand what it is that you are attending.
Those of you just coming to "look around"... and there are a lot of you, please keep in mind that this is supposed to be a closed trade show, not the worlds largest gun show. It is not about RKBA. It is about $$$$ and business. No one at any particular manufacturer booth really cares all that much about selling any particular attendee a gun. They care about selling a gun shop owner 10 or a distributor 1000.
Please don't take this wrong... I'm all for lookers and have gotten people passes so that they could do just that in the past... but make sure you understand what it is that you are attending.
CAPTAIN MIKE
Member
...SITUATIONAL AWARENESS
That's a very good point. The SHOT show is not just "a Super-sized Gun Show". It is fundamentally a trade show and your clear thinking rings true.
My office is only a few blocks away. Guess I'll leave my sidearms at the office and head over with a backpack for goodies and plenty of water. Thanks for your 2 cents.
That's a very good point. The SHOT show is not just "a Super-sized Gun Show". It is fundamentally a trade show and your clear thinking rings true.
My office is only a few blocks away. Guess I'll leave my sidearms at the office and head over with a backpack for goodies and plenty of water. Thanks for your 2 cents.
Jeff OTMG
Member
Sydwaiz, that isn't it, California and Texas have large populations and lots of gun people. They come in for the weekend and somehow get into the show. They are not there for business. I preferred when they had the show on Mon-Thur, it prevented gawkers from coming to the show.
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