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"Got .22 Long Rifle Ammo ?"

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Look guys, we're just doing this to ourselves. It was the centerfire drought a couple years ago because somebody would get up at the crack of dawn and buy every 9mm in the case

Then it was the magazine scare. No P-Mags anywhere. I'm sure plenty of people have 30+ mags still stuffed in their closets.

The Great EBR craze of 2012. $650 AR's went for $1000 overnight. Not a single EBR to be found. Now they are overflowing the shelves.

So it's the 22 shortage. Someone keeps buying every 22 they can find because suddenly ammo is triple what it was 5 years ago so all we can afford is 22 through our new shiny M&P 22, which plinks out the little 40gr pills fast as you can pull the trigger.

Oh let's not forget the primer shortage three years ago. Of course once they became plentiful again, they're still at inflated prices.

How about the lead wheelweight ban? Should I venture there?

Sigh.
 
This isn't the first time we have gone through a 22 LR shortage. I remember being short on 22 LR during the 2008-2009 period. Between 2010 and 2012 I accumulated about 5,000 rounds (8 boxes or 525 Federals & 10 boxes of 100 rounds). Not an urgent necessity for me since I only have two 22 LR guns (a Ruger 10/22 and a Beretta Neos) and do not shoot them that often. As a handloader I shoot 223/5.56 a lot more than 22 LR and still have most of my 22 LR ammo from the last time.

With a production rate of over 1,000,000 rounds being made a day of 22 LR, you would think that more would be reaching the shelves by now, but I can wait till 2016 when all this will be resolved if you only get out and vote the scum out of office.

Good luck and good shooting, as they say "This Too Will Pass."

Jim

And I did buy up all the 22 Mag I could find (about 1,000 rounds, 20 boxes) back then also at $6.00 a box.
 
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You know, I've gotten tired of asking this at my local retailer (Wal-Mart, Bass Pro, Academy, etc.). I could order .22LR online for $.25 per pop, but I'm not going to pay outrageous prices. Also, I can't back order, paying large sums of moula, like scalpers and hoarders do.

I think I'll do just fine without it, until the manufacturers and retailers get it straight.

It's supply and demand. Let them work it out.:cool:
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Survivalists and people who own .22 plus those who buy cheaper and sell for more are buying everything that shows up sometimes before it gets to the local shelves. I hope you're young enough to wait till the problem sorts itself out.
 
Not passing any judgement but seeing some of the pictures makes me wonder...... I would not buy that much ammo because I would be afraid I would die before I could use it up that being horrendous waste of resources.
 
I use money to make my life easier and more enjoyable. Given long term prognosis for this country I would say when it comes to ammo availability and cost status quo will be the new normal.
 
Some of this is pure garbage and nonsense, take this retailer for example. They are hawking the Winchester M22 for 109.95 (500 rounds). That's 500 rounds for $110. They have to be kidding me. Yes, it looks to be in stock.

A few days ago Cabela's had the same ammo, apples to apples, and the Cabela's price was $49.99 for the 1,000 round packs or doing the math about $25 for what the other guys are selling for $110. Granted, the Cabela's stuff went online and was available but only for about 3 or 4 hours before it was sold out. The Cabela's price amounted to a few bucks (literally) per 500 rounds than the stuff sold for well over a year ago and before Sandy Hook. Now look at the same stuff and the Midway USA pricing. Pretty much inline with the Cabela's pricing. Wouldn't surprise me if Midway had some of the same stuff any day and like Cabela's it will go quick.

I have a local Gander Mountain about 10 min down the Interstate (Twinsburgh, Ohio) which has had a good supply of 22 LR for the past 3 months or more. That includes the Remington Golden Bullets 525 round packs @ about $23, Winchester Super X 500 round bricks (I forget the cost but it is higher priced) and assorted CCI Blazer 22 LR. The stuff is out there. The problem is when it hits the shelves it goes fast.

Finally, be still my little heart, I went to the Wal Mart with my wife. They actually had some (very little) Blazer @ $8.00 for my 3 box limit including our 8% sales tax. I guess about $2.50 a box. I should have dragged the wife over for her 3 box limit. :) Hardly worth the effort.

This was not the first and won't be the last ammunition shortage. I suggest once things settle down people remember which major retailers screwed them on pricing. Start with the examples above.

Ron
 
In the last year I have only seen one brick of 22s. I wound up giving the brick to my great nephew for Christmas. I reload everything but it just means that my Model 90 Winchesters are collecting a bit more dust so the six year old great nephew can shoot his Stevens single shot a bit more and his Haws revolver instead of the vintage CVA 44 that I picked up for him for a hundred bucks.

Shooting will go on it just means that we will have to pull out something else then a 22......hmm he handled the SKS just fine last time before I found that one brick......
 
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In order for supply to normalize the mass retailers must raise prices to meet current demand. Until they do the shortage will continue. My guess is a 500 round brick of 22lr should be priced in the $40-$50 range.
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I guess you just came out of a coma. Check this out.
http://www.bulkammo.com/bulk-22-lr-a...mgbbucket-1400

Your325 count Federal Auto Match has been going for $99.99 for months now. CCI 100 count boxes 36gr HP ammo was going for $44.99 per 100, well it was the last time it was available. Today it may be $75 or more. Your $40-$50 a brick is now what we call cheap. Its completely crazy. It's been reported that people are seeing 22lr range pickups going for 10 cents a round at gun shows.
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Hey QoT...

He said MASS RETAILERS, like Walmart, Cabela's, Gander Mountain, Dick's, Midway, etc. Companies that are mainstream non-gouging companies. The prices you quote are insane. Bulkammo.com is a rip-off. $20/50 + shipping for STEEL CASE 9MM?!?!!? If you shop there, you're the one who just came out of a coma, or maybe you're still in one.

Just re-checked their site. Some decent/fair pricing on some products, like 7.62x39mm for $220+ shipping. So I guess maybe they aren't totally insane, and maybe I was a little non-THR with my original post :( (sorry), but $99/325 of .22LR is 4 times what Dick's charges, and I've picked up 3 boxes from them at that price.
 
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In order for supply to normalize the mass retailers must raise prices to meet current demand. Until they do the shortage will continue. My guess is a 500 round brick of 22lr should be priced in the $40-$50 range.
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I guess you just came out of a coma. Check this out.
http://www.bulkammo.com/bulk-22-lr-a...mgbbucket-1400

Your325 count Federal Auto Match has been going for $99.99 for months now. CCI 100 count boxes 36gr HP ammo was going for $44.99 per 100, well it was the last time it was available. Today it may be $75 or more. Your $40-$50 a brick is now what we call cheap. Its completely crazy. It's been reported that people are seeing 22lr range pickups going for 10 cents a round at gun shows.
Hey QoT...

He said MASS RETAILERS, like Walmart, Cabela's, Gander Mountain, Dick's, Midway, etc. Companies that are mainstream non-gouging companies. The prices you quote are insane. Bulkammo.com is a rip-off. $20/50 + shipping for STEEL CASE 9MM?!?!!? If you shop there, you're the one who just came out of a coma, or maybe you're still in one.

Just re-checked their site. Some decent/fair pricing on some products, like 7.62x39mm for $220+ shipping. So I guess maybe they aren't totally insane, and maybe I was a little non-THR with my original post (sorry), but $99/325 of .22LR is 4 times what Dick's charges, and I've picked up 3 boxes from them at that price.
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Thank you. And the reason places like that can stay in business at those prices is the scarcity caused in the markets by underpricing. I read a lot of posts about manufacturers, gougers, borders, scalpers, employees at Wal-mart, the government, etc. trying to pinpoint the exact cause of the ammo craze, specifically 22lr. The problem in the end is the large range of pricing, or the gap between the minimum sales price and maximum sales price of like items. Markets try to find equilibrium bringing pricing variances very close to almost non existent. But that is not happening with 22lr. The mass retailers are keeping their prices artificially low creating a healthy and the empty shelves create a healthy aftermarket. In other words, instead of acting as retailers they are acting as distributors to retailers.

But there is still an average retail price far below the $90 a brick and other crazy prices that you see. If the mass retailers would price the goods at or near it this would all go immediately go away. Again, my guess it that is somewhere in the $40-$50 range for a 500 round brick.
 
Dr. Sandman said:
"Let's see a picture of your hoard of .22LR ammo" would be a good thread! I'll bet that most people would be too embarassed to show the pics!
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think that reloading your own ammo is very similar to making your own beer. It can be fun, educational, and may be a good skill to have in a pinch. Rarely, you can really come up with something special. Most of the time, however, better product is available for less money at the store, all things considered.


Well I do/did both, still handload stopped drinking so stopped brewing.
Your statement is subjective. Lots of micro-breweries out there and most of that product was developed in home kitchens as home brew.
As to hand loading that is nothing more then assembly from parts obtained off the shelf and a good handloader can put together custom rounds every bit as good as any mass assembly.
Oddly enough here in this country a lot of our popular rounds were devloped by, you guessed it handloaders.

The above of course is all IMO and I have tasted some pretty bad swill and the stories of handloading gaffs abound, but I digress this thread is about hording which many of the posters are doing for what ever reason.
 
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Not passing any judgement but seeing some of the pictures makes me wonder...... I would not buy that much ammo because I would be afraid I would die before I could use it up that being horrendous waste of resources.
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Don't you have friends and family that you would like to leave your ammo and guns to?

Being up in age I no doubt will have ammo on hand when I die. I have already made plans for the ammo (and guns) to go to friends.


Some years ago I had a bumper sticker that I've tried to live by.

"HE WHO DIES WITH THE MOST TOYS WINS". :)



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Well when I start seeing brick of 22lr at my local mass retailers I'll check their prices but for now I stand by my numbers. In fact I purchased 3 bricks last week at an average price of 15 cents a round in oher words $75 a brick. The prices are up and if you choose to shoot you have to pay. And the one thing I dislike more than high prices are those calling for even higher prices.

Some months agoI hought the new norm for non match 22lr ammo would stablize around 10 cents a round but now I have no idea where it will stablize. For some reason you think higher prices will fix this mess. Sorry not going to happen. When people pay 10 cents a round for range pickups and $245 for a bucket of Remington Golden Bullets price means nothing.
 
Things will not get a whole lot better any time soon because in January 2015 Hillary will announce her candidacy 4 prez. And she will win, and everybody will panic so the vicious circle will just keep turning and turning.
 
@PabloJ, when my wife and I go through well over a brick a month. Over half of the American Eagle in my photo was given to the Boy Scouts and 4-H leaders in my area. Even before the panic I tried to keep between 10-20k rounds on hand just incase of crap like this. I was caught once before in the early 90's, not again...
 
Absolutely amazing the knowledge folks have looking into their crystal balls, and believing it no less!

We seem to be turning opinions into facts!
 
Just to keep this in perspective, here we are bitcing about a mundane consumer product like 22 ammo where some parts of the world they have the same problem with bread................... just saying it is a pain in the a for some of us but in time it will pass while the bread shortage has been going on for generations. In the meantime I have just sucked it up and switched to black powder cap and balls.
 
Queen_of_Thunder said:
Well when I start seeing brick of 22lr at my local mass retailers I'll check their prices but for now I stand by my numbers. In fact I purchased 3 bricks last week at an average price of 15 cents a round in oher words $75 a brick. The prices are up and if you choose to shoot you have to pay. And the one thing I dislike more than high prices are those calling for even higher prices.

Some months agoI hought the new norm for non match 22lr ammo would stablize around 10 cents a round but now I have no idea where it will stablize. For some reason you think higher prices will fix this mess. Sorry not going to happen. When people pay 10 cents a round for range pickups and $245 for a bucket of Remington Golden Bullets price means nothing.
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Queen, you just paid 15 cents a round for 22 LR? May I ask where?

Well for now I'll stand by the numbers I just posted. Matter of fact before I am told I am full of crap with those numbers here is the Gander Mountain receipt:

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That was, as can be seen, in June of 13 about 6 months after Sandy Hook. Those who choose to deal with the rip off sellers can have at it but don't tell me that 22 LR is non existent. The Winchester Super X on the receipt was more but that type always cost more as can be seen here as compared for example to Remington Golden Bullets or Thunderbolts.

I learned during the 90s to stay stocked up, especially on ammunition like 22 LR that you can sit down and hand load. When I see it available on sale at a good price I buy it.

People need to stop dealing with the rip off places and start checking on a regular basis at reputable retailers. If my local Gander has the stuff then other Gander Mountains have the stuff. Granted it is a crap shoot but put some effort into looking.

The prices reflected in the above receipt hardly represent massive increases and that was 6 months post Sandy Hook. The stuff is out there!

Ron
 
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^^^ No, .22LR is not here in my little town. Maybe if I made daily trips to San Antonio and hit every big store there I'll find some. I'm not doing that... I'd go broke paying for the gasoline.

I'm taking a brick or two of my "hoard" to a mechanic tomorrow and will sell it for what it "should" sell for. I'm doing this because he treated me very fairly on some A/C service a couple months ago. He's a decent honest mechanic... darned hard to find these days. BTW, does anyone remember what Remington Game Loads "normally" sell for? Aguila SSS?
 
Well I'm glad someone is finding ammo locally because its not here in my area. If it was available people would not be lining up in hopes of getting a box or two of 50. Academy again today didn't get any 22lr ammo. This is getting old. Even 9mm brass ammo is still touch and go as is the other non SD ammo. The supply of 223/556 has gotten better

My ammo came from MidSouth and Midway.
 
Mike1234567 said:
^^^ No, .22LR is not here in my little town. Maybe if I made daily trips to San Antonio and hit every big store there I'll find some. I'm not doing that... I'd go broke paying for the gasoline.

I'm taking a brick or two of my "hoard" to a mechanic tomorrow and will sell it for what it "should" sell for. I'm doing this because he treated me very fairly on some A/C service a couple months ago. He's a decent honest mechanic... darned hard to find these days. BTW, does anyone remember what Remington Game Loads "normally" sell for? Aguila SSS?
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This is another unusual quirk. Looking at brick and mortar retail I would think a state like Texas would have 22 LR on the shelves. Nope, everyone from Texas can't find any. Last I looked Texas is not exactly the size of Rhode Island. The geography of where it is and where it isn't is interesting.

Another thing, I see mention of Hillary in 2016. Hillary is the last of my worries. The redeeming factor right now is the current idiot tried and lost. Just let another Sandy Hook happen and good luck as the next time there will be more to lose than 22 LR and they may win. Even if Hillary were to get in, which I doubt, we will be OK if she is stuck with a Republican House.

Anyway, happy hunting. Check online constantly and ask for notifications, seems some have done well with that route.

Ron
 
I tried the online route (Midway) in 12/2013... my back-order was pushed back TWICE... now to 10/2014... so far. Midway's policy is that I must keep the full payment due in my account the ENTIRE TIME to avoid my BO being cancelled. If the entire amount isn't in my account AT THEIR WHIM then they'll cancel my order. To heck with THAT!! If they ever DO fill my order it'll be a surprise to me because it's months away and I'll probably forget about it by then!!
 
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