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If Americans were NAZI we would just shoot all the folks we don’t like.
Seems like there have been more school shootings than fires over the last 25 years.
well maybe, the wife was reading me the fact checker on the “18” school shootings this year. I believe she said 5 wa the number that would qualify, the rest were suicide, altercations after hours in the parking lot mostly among in related adults, young child brings a gun in backpack (because that’s what little kids do, they hoard your stuff).

I’ve long said if gun owners were even close to what liberals make us to be they would all be dead.
 
And do what, exactly, in the event of a fire alarm?

This particular case in parkland the shooter gained entrance to the building PRIOR to pulling the fire alarm. Securing the building properly and screening entry would have prevented this incident completely.

The long term societal changes that are needed take time. The responsible thing to do in the meantime is to secure the schools. I don't understand the resistance to this concept. It is the right thing to do, so why all the resistance?

As time moves forward, we need to be holding our school districts, administrators and legislators responsible to get this done.
 
We have everything in place. People were warning the authorities that this guy was nuts. We do not need new laws we just to enforce the laws we have now. The FBI field office in Miami has a thousand people working there yet the recent warnings never came down from the central office in Clarksburg, WV. We need to find out Why?????
 
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I am not speaking of new laws, I am speaking of local districts, states, and the federal government to each pitch in their portion to finance the proper security of our schools.
 
I wasn't addressing my respond you ar-newbie, just a general response from all this recent information released about this shooting. :)
 
I just don't understand the resistance to the only readily available solution to this situation that keeps happening over and over again. The answer is simple, just do it. You call call it making schools prisons all you want, you can call it fascist, NAZI whatever the hell you want, but it is still the only short time frame possible solution to the problem. It won't stop ALL of them from happening, but any life saved is important. And, it makes a lot more sense than allowing anything to be banned, because that won't help. I would think bipartisan support for school security would be easy.
 
Have you flown lately? Would you prefer that things would have been left as they were prior to 9/11 because it would have been NAZI-like to take any action to prevent a recurrence?
When they strip search grannies but waive through Muslims because "profiling" isn't politically correct, yes, I'd rather go back than put up with the idiocy one sees at airports today
 
We always have a few "it's no use we can't win" folks speak up. Such a negative outlook on life. And just what the anties want you to believe, especially now when they have lost so much ground lately.
You also live in Alabama and you're probably considerably older than I am.
You don't get to see the eye of the storm the way someone like myself does. I have several older family members that don't get it either. They lack the foresight and basic math skills to see what is going to happen.

The more people there is, the less personal freedoms there are. That is something one learns on the first day of a 100 level civics course. I grew up with more freedoms than my children will have, may dad grew up with more freedoms than me, and his dad with more freedoms than him. You have to go back a LONG time for this to not hold true.
 
Incidents like this cannot be prevented. That's just a fact of life. .

^^^This. They can only be minimized.

I work at the local High School. We have been implementing various security measures since Columbine. Every one of these shootings teaches us something and many times our policies and procedures are changed. "Shelter in place" for example, used to be standard "lockdown" procedure. Not anymore. Now there are ways to inform rooms where the threat is in the building, so teachers in individual rooms can decide if and when it is safe for them to flee or if they need to barricade and fight. This last shooting now has us rethinking our "fire alarm drills".

While most school buildings across the country are now securely locked during school hours, let me assure you, any kid that has been going to that school for any period of time, knows what doors are locked and when, how to "prop" doors open, when doors are open to the public and where kids go when the doors are unlocked and where they congregate during certain times of the day. Most High Schools become "community" buildings after school because of school events like sports, school plays, community events, etc. Students and others are tightly packed in bleachers, gyms and auditoriums and paying little attention to others coming in that may be a threat. Time will probably come, when these events will be the source of soft targets, when every thing else dries up. Some girl won't go to homecoming with a guy and he loses it, why not target the Homecoming game or Dance? Some kid doesn't get the part in the School Musical, why not target the rehearsals or the play itself when folks are crowded into a darkened Auditorium with few exits. Everytime we come up with a solution to a known threat, the crazies create a new one.

After all other preventative measures have been taken, the only real way to minimize the threat, is to be able to stop it immediately, and not have to wait till "help arrives". Even that will not eliminate all casualties, just reduce them.
 
Kelly Guthrie Raley, Teacher of the Year at a Lake County, Florida school, sums it up quite a bit in a recent FB post:

Okay, I’ll be the bad guy and say what no one else is brave enough to say, but wants to say. I’ll take all the criticism and attacks from everyone because you know what? I’m a TEACHER. I live this life daily. And I wouldn’t do anything else! But I also know daily I could end up in an active shooter situation."

Raley then gave the reasons why she thinks school shootings continue to occur.

"Until we, as a country, are willing to get serious and talk about mental health issues, lack of available care for the mental health issues, lack of discipline in the home, horrendous lack of parental support when the schools are trying to control horrible behavior at school (oh no! Not MY KID. What did YOU do to cause my kid to react that way?), lack of moral values, and yes, I’ll say it -- violent video games that take away all sensitivity to ANY compassion for others’ lives, as well as reality TV that makes it commonplace for people to constantly scream up in each others’ faces and not value any other person but themselves, we will have a gun problem in school. Our kids don’t understand the permanency of death anymore!!!"

Raley went on to say that she grew up with guns.

"But you know what? My parents NEVER supported any bad behavior from me. I was terrified of doing something bad at school, as I would have not had a life until I corrected the problem and straightened my ass out. My parents invaded my life. They knew where I was ALL the time. They made me have a curfew. They made me wake them up when I got home. They made me respect their rules. They had full control of their house, and at any time could and would go through every inch of my bedroom, backpack, pockets, anything! Parents: it’s time to STEP UP! Be the parent that actually gives a crap! Be the annoying mom that pries and knows what your kid is doing. STOP being their friend. They have enough 'friends' at school. Be their parent. Being the 'cool mom' means not a damn thing when either your kid is dead or your kid kills other people because they were allowed to have their space and privacy in YOUR HOME ...(now, these next two lines were stricken from most media releases of the post; it regards her father's gun in the home): >>But you know what? I never dreamed of shooting anyone with his guns. I never dreamed of taking one!<< I was taught respect for human life, compassion, rules, common decency, and most of all, I was taught that until I moved out, my life and bedroom wasn’t mine...it was theirs. And they were going to know what was happening because they loved me and wanted the best for me."
 
Have you flown lately? Would you prefer that things would have been left as they were prior to 9/11 because it would have been NAZI-like to take any action to prevent a recurrence?
You really think any of the TSA mandated garbage at the airport has prevented ONE terrorist event? Nope. All it does it make the ignorant feel safer and give them something to complain about.
 
You also live in Alabama and you're probably considerably older than I am.
You don't get to see the eye of the storm the way someone like myself does. I have several older family members that don't get it either. They lack the foresight and basic math skills to see what is going to happen.

The more people there is, the less personal freedoms there are. That is something one learns on the first day of a 100 level civics course. I grew up with more freedoms than my children will have, may dad grew up with more freedoms than me, and his dad with more freedoms than him. You have to go back a LONG time for this to not hold true.
You can't be serious.

Well, unless you are an anti and/or believe in Socialism over individual freedom. Same thing as your first post, we have to give up freedoms to be safe. Right out of the anti playbook. Gun control doesn't stop crime, and doesn't stop mass killings by crazy people. Period.

Oh, and sorry for being (possibly) older and from Alabama, can't help that. Dadgum old hicks don't know crap, right?

Gun control simply does not work, and you can get on board and fight it, or be a quitter. Some of us have been around long enough and seen enough that we just won't "compromise" any more. Antis come in all shapes and sizes, many of them pretend to be pro gun, and they love to push their little "harmless" compromises to everyone. And of course some people are just negative and are easily scared into the "OMG we better do something ourselves before we lose it all" corner. :)
 
You can't be serious.

Well, unless you are an anti and/or believe in Socialism over individual freedom. Same thing as your first post, we have to give up freedoms to be safe. Right out of the anti playbook. Gun control doesn't stop crime, and doesn't stop mass killings by crazy people. Period.

Oh, and sorry for being (possibly) older and from Alabama, can't help that. Dadgum old hicks don't know crap, right?

Gun control simply does not work, and you can get on board and fight it, or be a quitter. Some of us have been around long enough and seen enough that we just won't "compromise" any more. Antis come in all shapes and sizes, many of them pretend to be pro gun, and they love to push their little "harmless" compromises to everyone. And of course some people are just negative and are easily scared into the "OMG we better do something ourselves before we lose it all" corner. :)
Yeah, this response makes no sense at all in regards to my post. It's as if you're trying to convince a guy on a gun forum that gun control doesn't work.

In other news, water is wet.....
 
Steve S. wrote:
If all you have ever witnessed is violence with a firearm, it has to be difficult to stay objective.

You got that right.

After I was shot, my ardor for firearms greatly intensified - nearly to the point where I have to fight back saying to people that if you haven't been shot, you don't have standing to have an opinion in this debate.
 
bikerdoc wrote:
Crazy people control not gun control

And can I take it from that you are also supporting laying and collecting the taxes it would require to pay for the investigators, litigators, caretakers and asylums that would be needed to locate, adjudicate and incarcerate everyone crazy enough to be a danger if they got hold of a gun?
 
And can I take it from that you are also supporting laying and collecting the taxes it would require to pay for the investigators, litigators, caretakers and asylums that would be needed to locate, adjudicate and incarcerate everyone crazy enough to be a danger if they got hold of a gun?


We used to keep many mentally disabled people in asylums. About forty years ago, lawyers stopped that because they claimed they had civil rights, even if many were unable to take care of themselves. Those asylums no longer exist, and a lot of mentally disabled wind up now in prisons. We used to have the money, but now don't.
 
lol, OK. I obviously have trouble with English.

I don't think you have trouble with English. My post was probably just not very clear.

I used to live in rural Texas, and I remember people thinking I was out of my mind when I said that this country will eventually be a big socialist nightmare. Unfortunately, my education brought me to a more urban part of a blue state. I have family members and friends that don't understand the notion of getting your windows smashed for having an NRA sticker on your truck. They understand people setting fires and throwing bricks at cops every time there is a controversial police shooting, but they don't actually experience it the way I do.

Every generation thinks that the world is going to hell in a handbag and that the up and coming generation is worthless; however, there are things in place in regards to the media, entertainment, the educational system etc that are actually making this a reality if you have a conservative bone in your body. I think the scariest thing about it is the fact that so many young people don't even know what they're signing up for. They're too far removed from the cold war or actual fascist regimes to know the dangers of big government and endless rules. They simply don't know, and the truth is being shielded from them. I literally work with educated people that think the United States is this horrible country, but will tell you what a great guy Che Guevara was. It's madness.....
 
Think about how much money we had for all kinds of stuff we don't seem to have it for anymore. Almost all the roads that we drive on today weren't here before the early 1900's, yet they had the money to build them from scratch. Miles and miles of them. Same for bridges. We have a couple around here that are in pretty bad shape, but there doesn't seem to be any money to fix them, until there suddenly is when the condition gets to the about to fall down point. The roads are terrible around here this time of year, it warmed up and the potholes exploded. The patching is a joke, I could do better with a bag of patch, a torch to dry out and heat the holes, and my car tires to pack the patch down. Where did all the money come from when I was a kid to keep the roads in better shape back then? There's a 2 lane road here in town where it's made out of concrete. Why? Nobody knows. I remember when it was done, over 50 years ago. It's a connecting road that goes between two major roads in town. Roads parallel to it that carry 10X the traffic each are asphalt, and constantly need repair. Not the concrete street, it's in good shape even after 50+ years. It's better than my driveway was that was poured 15 years later.

Blaming video games, comic books, TV shows, lack of "god" in schools for people cracking up and going on murdering spree shootings is more nonsense. If it was true, myself and a bunch of my friends would be serial killers now. There are, and always have been, people who have mental issues. The shooters are a small subset of these people, most are totally harmless, at least to others. If you look at past shootings, pre TV, and especially pre internet, the stories about these shooters faded pretty quickly. Not anymore, now they keep on going, and the shooters become "immortal", like the Texas Tower shooter. Same goes for serial killers like Albert Fish, Ted Bundy, etc. For some deranged people, becoming a "famous" killer is the only way that they will make a mark in life. In the old days, crazy people were taken care of, one way or another. If they were dangerous, they were committed, if not, they usually lived with their parents or siblings and weren't tossed out onto the street. I know, or have known, several people like that. Today, many of these people are on the net, posting crazy stuff for fellow loonies to read and repeat/amplify. Look at all the claims of "false flags" when some disaster happens. Sandy Hook is the one that first comes to mind for me. In the old days, people who believed in "crisis actors" would be evaluated, at least. Now, they have people following them and posting agreements with their claims. Going back to the old days isn't possible, but building new mental hospitals is. It's a first step. And when someone shows they are possibly violent, they should be checked out. Too bad about their dignity.
 
Think about how much money we had for all kinds of stuff we don't seem to have it for anymore. Almost all the roads that we drive on today weren't here before the early 1900's, yet they had the money to build them from scratch. Miles and miles of them. Same for bridges. We have a couple around here that are in pretty bad shape, but there doesn't seem to be any money to fix them, until there suddenly is when the condition gets to the about to fall down point. The roads are terrible around here this time of year, it warmed up and the potholes exploded. The patching is a joke, I could do better with a bag of patch, a torch to dry out and heat the holes, and my car tires to pack the patch down. Where did all the money come from when I was a kid to keep the roads in better shape back then? There's a 2 lane road here in town where it's made out of concrete. Why? Nobody knows. I remember when it was done, over 50 years ago. It's a connecting road that goes between two major roads in town. Roads parallel to it that carry 10X the traffic each are asphalt, and constantly need repair. Not the concrete street, it's in good shape even after 50+ years. It's better than my driveway was that was poured 15 years later.

Blaming video games, comic books, TV shows, lack of "god" in schools for people cracking up and going on murdering spree shootings is more nonsense. If it was true, myself and a bunch of my friends would be serial killers now. There are, and always have been, people who have mental issues. The shooters are a small subset of these people, most are totally harmless, at least to others. If you look at past shootings, pre TV, and especially pre internet, the stories about these shooters faded pretty quickly. Not anymore, now they keep on going, and the shooters become "immortal", like the Texas Tower shooter. Same goes for serial killers like Albert Fish, Ted Bundy, etc. For some deranged people, becoming a "famous" killer is the only way that they will make a mark in life. In the old days, crazy people were taken care of, one way or another. If they were dangerous, they were committed, if not, they usually lived with their parents or siblings and weren't tossed out onto the street. I know, or have known, several people like that. Today, many of these people are on the net, posting crazy stuff for fellow loonies to read and repeat/amplify. Look at all the claims of "false flags" when some disaster happens. Sandy Hook is the one that first comes to mind for me. In the old days, people who believed in "crisis actors" would be evaluated, at least. Now, they have people following them and posting agreements with their claims. Going back to the old days isn't possible, but building new mental hospitals is. It's a first step. And when someone shows they are possibly violent, they should be checked out. Too bad about their dignity.
I think a lot of it is simply the way we eat. We pump these kids full of garbage, and then we're surprised when they have mental issues. When all our food came from local farms this problem barely existed, yet guns were even more accessible. When you start genetically modifying every fruit and vegetable while putting steroids and HGH into all the meat, there is going to be a problem.
 
We guard diamonds, gold, money, securities, celebrities, and important political figures, all with guns. Then we leave our children,
our most treasured asset, to be guarded by a sign, and an asinine assumption. We are fools...
Was there not an armed guard at this school?
 
You also live in Alabama and you're probably considerably older than I am.
You don't get to see the eye of the storm the way someone like myself does. I have several older family members that don't get it either. They lack the foresight and basic math skills to see what is going to happen.

The more people there is, the less personal freedoms there are. That is something one learns on the first day of a 100 level civics course. I grew up with more freedoms than my children will have, may dad grew up with more freedoms than me, and his dad with more freedoms than him. You have to go back a LONG time for this to not hold true.
If one’s skin is black, they don’t have to go back very far at all.
 
The ani-gun folks will eventually win as will the left in general.

Look at a state like CA. That will be most of the United states in 50 years. There will be pockets of rural areas that will still be conservative, but they will be ruled with an iron fist by large metro areas where all the votes come from just like rural CA.

Even states like Idaho or Alaska will become liberal nanny states eventually as our cities continue to grow. Boise ID went big for Clinton in 2016 and is becoming more liberal by the day due to transplants coming in, seniors checking out, and an extremely liberal educational system. Eventually Boise will become both large enough and blue enough to speak for the rest of Idaho just like Vegas speaks for Nevada or Denver Speaks for Colorado.

Enjoy these times my friends because they're not going to last. The Internet, national news, and the educational system have changed the game. Generation-x got the ball rolling on hating this country and everything it stands for. God help us when the Millennials come to power. They not only hate America as a collective whole.........they hate themselves. This country will be essentially given away without a fight in my grandchildren's lifetime. What a shame.....

Won't necessarily disagree that we are all headed for the deep slide into liberal control, but is 39% is a big percentage for Clinton in Boise? However, Trump got 48% and that is not bad, considering Trump was far from the candidate of choice for people in ID. However, they still kept to their red state identification and overall gave him 60%.
 
I’ve been there done that. Been associated with two campus shootings.
The only solution is education and eliminating “gun free zones”. In my case if I’d have been carrying I would have shot the gunman in the second shooting.
I’ve been reading on THR a lot over the past week and I’ve seen you refer to these event a couple times. Could you elaborate on what happened?

Sorry you had to experience that, sir.
 
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