Guns not wanted in "family-friendly" Target

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Wow, the audacity of a business politely requesting people not wave guns around on their private property.

Maybe it would be a wise move if a certain segment of the pro gun movement stopped punishing gun neutral businesses by turning those businesses into media circuses.
I don't disagree with this. I think they have every right to this stance. I also think that the idiots who tote around slung AR15s to get attention are wrong. It is, however, THEIR right to do so even though their judgement is questionable to say the least.

I still won't shop at Target. That is my right. To me, they have made a very public statement that guns, in their opinion, are anti-family and that we, by extension, are not welcome. Humorously, their NAME is "TARGET". I wonder if that will be the next crusade for all of the moms scared of guns groups.
 
I also think that the idiots who tote around slung AR15s to get attention are wrong. It is, however, THEIR right to do so even though their judgement is questionable to say the least.

On private property, you have no rights beyond basic human rights. Technically, a property owner can demand I leave for no other reason than he thinks I'm ugly, and can then have me arrested for trespassing if I refuse to comply.

The approach these open carriers are taking is mind boggling illogical. "Hey, Steve, it turns out that Starbucks doesn't have a no guns policy. I have a great idea, let's get Bob and Pete and tote our ARs down there, make the business into a media spectacle, make fellow customers uncomfortable, and make life even worse for minimum wage employees. That'll teach 'em, somehow, I think. Anyway, we'll get lots and lots of attention!!"
 
I worked for Target for several years not long ago, and this comes as no surprise to me.

Target sees itself as "Mommy's" retail store (as opposed to Wal-Mart, which Target sees as "Daddy's" retail store). Everything they do is geared toward their core shoppers, which is 20-something and 30-something women. They have always done whatever they perceive that this demographic wants.

Five years of working there showed me Target's true colors... and they aren't pretty. It is the most "progressive", politically-motivated workplace I have ever been a part of (and I have worked on several high school and college campuses). Pro-gun attitudes, and indeed any conservative attitudes, had to be closeted if one had any desire succeed in the company. I could tell stories for days.

I don't mean to get too 'political' here, but suffice to say that if your beliefs are similar to those of most gun owners, Target was your political enemy long before they made this announcement, whether you knew it or not.
 
It applies to ALL guns, not just concealed.

A local man here in Layton where I live contacted Target, this is his experience:

"I contacted the Layton Super Target by phone and was told by a manger that "store personnel are not allowed to discuss the new policy directly with customers" and gave me a number: 1-800-440-0680 [Pick option 2, then option 4 from the menu]

The person I reached at the above number said:
"the new policy will apply to all guns" (e.g., it applies to both open and concealed carry)
"at this time, we are not planning to post a sign detailing this policy at the store entrances..."

Basically, they are making a public statement but, by not posting it, they are rendering it pointless... or, I should say, more pointless.
 
:confused: For 6 months their business has taken a beating because of the massive hacking fiasco in late 2013 ... so now their interim CEO decides to hammer their business further with something like this? I cannot see the Up Side to this move.

Have I missed a rash of "gun" scenarios/silliness that have been recently occurring at Targets?
 
http://bearingarms.com/derpin-carry...pen-carriers-booted-target-stores-nationwide/

I find it hard to blame Target when we've got our "friends" down in Texas doing this sort of thing:
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My thoughts exactly, to be fair someone should also mention Target asked a number of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America types to not return to their stores as well. A guy far wiser than I once told me when you find yourself in the middle of a hailstorm the best thing to do is find cover and let it blow itself out. Perhaps Target is doing the same.
 
Honestly, the statement is probably the best we could hope for in the current situation. I could see many businesses issuing a formal ban (signage, etc.) in this scenario.
 
As for Target, Cosco, and all other establishments that are not gun friendly, I simply don't do business with them. I also refuse to live in a state that infringes on my ability to carry. I also map any interstate travel through states that recognize my need to carry, even if it extends my trip significantly. Call me paranoid, but I must be armed 24/7 to even feel normal, at home or in public. Most fail to understand my feelings in this respect, but most have not had the never ending encounters with evil that I've endured since the age of 12 yrs. old.

Nothing political about my reasoning, I'm just looking out for my safety and welfare.

GS
 
I just got off the phone with the manager of the Target store in Medford OR. She stated that Oregon Target stores WOULD NOT BAN OPEN CARRY OR C.C. HANDGUNS! SHE STATED THAT SHE HAD A NUMBER OF CALLS & HAD SPOKEN TO MAIN MANAGEMENT! I suggested putting up signs that clearly spelled out their position at the entrance. She stated that I & any other gun owners that carried handguns in a holster or C.C. were welcome & would not be harrassed or asked to leave! She recorded the call & stated it would go to management! In the mean time we & our guns ( as long as handguns in a holster. ) . Are welcome at Oregon Target stores! :)
 
We'll see whether this is translated into action in the form of actual bans, but a couple of things are apparent to me. In no particular order:

-Target has long taken a left of center view on many topics, so it's not particularly surprising that they'd adopt a generally anti-gun stance.

-Bloomberg's "moms"--whether or not they really exist--are well funded and well organized. Let's make that well-funded. There's no way that any real grass roots organization could start from scratch and present as much of a united front as they have without the infusion of millions of dollars. We ignore them at our own peril.

-Some of the corporate proclamations along these lines have been more for the purpose of PR than anything. I still don't like it, but I have yet to see, for example, a single Starbucks that has posted a "no firearms" sign.

-The open carry crowd is not a friend of the average concealed carry proponent. These clowns are causing a great deal of damage to the cause of Second Amendment rights.
 
We allowed Moms Demand to do this after "we" as a community shot ourselves in the foot posturing with rifles in places where they were never appropriate.

If we don't want the retailers targeted by these sorts of extremist groups WE need to let them hear our voice and denounce the extremists and pledge to support the retailer that chooses to not pick sides.
 
The open carriers are failing at their stated intentions of normalizing the public carriage of arms.

Logic dictates that they will re-assess their efforts.

If not, we must then question their objectives.
 
150 years ago, no one would have given someone a second thought, who carried a firearm openly, wherever that may be.

However, because of phobic political correctness, people who exercise one of our basic rights, are excoriated even by people of say they support the Second Amendment. While these men don't appear to be the" poster children" for the image some would like to see, they are nonetheless well within their rights. It's not for anyone to determine what looks "right" as long as the person acts within the law.

The management of Target, Chipotle, and other corporations are acting as reactionarily as those who hide behind "gun safety" as a ploy to disarm citizens. Target is stupid to believe that they're creating a "family friendly" environment by attempting to ban the open carry of firearms in their stores. This is the same company who could not, because of stupidity and appallingly weak management, would not do what's necessary to protect their customers' financial information. They have no credibility.

As has been stated repeatedly, when the bad guys know that people are unarmed, they will take advantage of the unarmed. It's that simple.

The guy who comes in with an AR15 slung over his shoulder is far less a threat than the sicko who posts his hostility on Facebook.

Folks shouldn't be unnecessarily aggressive in their posture or actions. However, those who are within their rights to openly carry a firearm shouldn't be ashamed to exercise that right by meekly kowtowing to those who want to disarm everyone.
 
PHP:
As has been stated repeatedly, when the bad guys know that people are unarmed, they will take advantage of the unarmed. It's that simple.
When the bad guys know who is armed thats the first person they shoot.
 
To turn this into another anti open carry debate is useless & only helping the anti-gun groups! We have had a number of these debates & they are not the issue of the thread! Let's stay on Target! No pun intended! (Well maybe a little! ) To call names & place blame don't help us reach a solution. It only further divides us that believe in the 2nd. amd.!
 
It would seem Targets management is aware of the concerns it has raised. If the manager of the store I spoke to is right, they aren't going to do this everywhere. Only in certain states & or stores. I hope she was correct & we wont have another business against us! It would be nice to see some commen sense in all this madness!
 
For everyone who states these guys are idiots, you need to remember lately that many groups have been successful in getting their agendas across with an in your face attitude. We're here and we're not going away has worked for other lobbies. Besides most people now understand open carry is legal. They don't like it.....but they know it is legal.
 
"In your face" should be done (if it's done at all) on the public square, not in a private business that is not involved in your fight.
 
As Frank Ettin has pointed out so well, 'in your face' has worked when there was an underlying sympathy for the cause as in civil rights, women's voting rights, gay rights, etc. The groups had a cause because of a deprivation of right that engendered sympathy.

When those groups wandered into implied violence - as with the armed Black Panthers - there was push back.

The OC folks do not have such a sympathy path and are seen as fundamentally threatening.

Why - in many cases the method of carry is unsafe. Also, the carriers do not look respectable, sorry to say.
 
150 years ago, no one would have given someone a second thought, who carried a firearm openly, wherever that may be.
I don't believe that to be true at all. Yes, you could go many places in public while carrying a weapon with some legitimate purpose -- walking out to your hunting grounds, walking through the city to go shoot rats at the dump, heck, in Wilkes-Barre, PA (at least) the shooting range was a field right in the city! But to say no one would have taken notice of someone walking into a store or restaurant (or bank?) openly carrying a gun is simply not true. In fact, more than a few towns and cities banned the practice entirely (for their law-abiding citizens anyway ;)).

However, because of phobic political correctness, people who exercise one of our basic rights, are excoriated even by people of say they support the Second Amendment.
Well, not because of phobic political correctness, at all, actually. More because of the direct, present, immediate damage that those actions are proving to cause, again, and again, and again. "Let's keep doing this until EVERY STORE has officially decided to prohibit us!!!" is a really bad strategy.

The management of Target, Chipotle, and other corporations are acting as reactionarily as those who hide behind "gun safety" as a ploy to disarm citizens. Target is stupid to believe that they're creating a "family friendly" environment by attempting to ban the open carry of firearms in their stores.
You miss their point. They don't particularly care WHAT the environment in their stores is, so long as that environment is friendly and welcoming to the greatest number of average lower-to-middle class 20-30 year old women. Period. Anything at all that makes any of those lady shoppers the least bit uncomfortable and unlikely to return and spend more money is going to be unwelcome. Target can ignore the occasional disruption to field-hockey-mom bliss, but not a repeated "movement" of such events, and certainly not once what claims to be a 400,000 member strong posse of them sends an official "either they go or WE go" notice.

It isn't about family-friendly, or safety, or god and apple pie. It's about whatever their customers seem to want. Heck, they spend millions on focus groups to find out what color of toilet paper in the ladies' room will encourage their shoppers to linger, or how large and heavy the shopping carts should be to balance a housewife's average strength against the largest pile of expensive crap she can pile in it without stalling it out in the aisle. All to get a tiny edge on pulling in more shoppers. If they get a hint that some ladies might not stop in because you keep showing up with a rifle? Bingo, you're not welcome any more.

As has been stated repeatedly, when the bad guys know that people are unarmed, they will take advantage of the unarmed. It's that simple.
Meh. Show me that any significant portion of Target shoppers WAS armed before, and you might, maybe have a point. There will be exactly ZERO increase in the rates of violent encounters at Target stores because of this.

The guy who comes in with an AR15 slung over his shoulder is far less a threat than the sicko who posts his hostility on Facebook.
So what? Target's management doesn't care about that. Nor should they, really. All they care about is SHOPPERS. Lose a shopper to some fringe issue someone's making a political statement about (like by carrying a large weapon around in the store) and they will change the policy so that doesn't happen.

Folks shouldn't be unnecessarily aggressive in their posture or actions. However, those who are within their rights to openly carry a firearm shouldn't be ashamed to exercise that right by meekly kowtowing to those who want to disarm everyone.
All actions have reactions. Whether it is your right to act a certain way or not. You/we don't have a Constitutional protection from consequences.

If the aggressive open carry movement causes 20 or 30 or whatever more major chains to "fall" to policies like this, is that ok? Is that a good thing? What has been gained? If several million of your neighbors say, "I used to be neutral on the guns issue but gun guys are STUPID AND DANGEROUS! Look at these morons with assault rifles in a public store!" Are you ok with that? Is that an acceptable loss to balance what we've "gained" here?
 
Can't say I blame Target for this mess, some people are doing everything possible to alienate the rest of society.

Actually it's probably all being coordinated by Bloomberg since he knows how much it is hurting our cause.
 
Are all of those gunslingers sane? Anyone know for certain?

I imagine anyone carrying concealed in the stores the fringe element visited kept a close eye on them. And some of the CCW were a bit nervous as well. I don't blame the Moms for responding the way they did. They have no crystal ball that tells them which one of us is safe or not. So they demanded that all of us be prohibited from carrying any firearm at all.

All of the recruiting offices in the U.S. have the no weapons allowed sign posted on their facilities which no one objects to. I doubt Target is going to suffer any real loss of business over this issue. But this may become a trend if the irresponsible ones continue to parade around with their long guns.
 
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