Hi-Point 10mm NEW PISTOL

[Buckeye63]

I believe you're the first guy I know who collects Hi Points. What do you do with all of them, and what do you get out of them when I assume you own Glocks, M&Ps, and others "higher teir" pistols in the same calibers?

Note: I also heard they are very reliable and have great CS, so I am not bashing anyone for owning them...

No where in my statement say I collected Hipoints
I actually don’t own any… I guess I should have been more clear
I simply flipped them.. never had any problem with flipping one .. sometimes used as boot in a trade..


But honestly.. they are better budget choices out there than a Hipoint ( sans the 10mm or 45)
Taurus G2c& G3C’s and not the mention the good quality Turkish guns … Im awaiting delivery of a $198.00 pistol that has great reviews online ..


But as others have mentioned the Hipoint 10mm pistol will sell like hotcakes ..
Cabin pistol… truck pistol.. deer stand pistol

 

[JohnKSa]

Well, nothing that isn't .22 or 9mm is ever considered a good choice for .... overpaying for something that I can do myself, which is why I reload for most every pistol caliber I own... except 9mm cuz that's cheap enough I let others do it for me.

You are quoting my posts, but your responses to them don't seem to match up with anything I said.

Originally I didn't quote the comment I was responding to. Here it is: "Yea and don't forget they're a lot smaller to boot. I can see the allure of the 10mm option for someone who just wants to get their feet wet with a cheap 10mm plinker."

You can see how I responded. You can also see that my initial comment didn't include any endorsement of .40S&W as a better choice for a cheap plinker.

In addition, you can see that neither that comment nor the one that followed it said anything about stopping threats or power--since neither of those things are a factor in "plinking".

Neither of my responses suggested that people are unwilling to pay for 10mm ammo or discussed pre-COVID ammo prices.

Did you mean to quote someone else's posts?

 

[Mark_Mark]

10mm will be as popular as .40 SW of the early 2000’s!

I predict more offerings in 10mm from lower price gun makers, G5C in 10mm? LC10 Max? CPX10?

 

[mope540]

I enjoy my 1095 as well, just wish it had a higher magazine capacity

It's too bad that Redball still doesn't make a hi cap mag for 10mm. If this pistol sells well then maybe they finally will.?.?.
I like the 1095 so much that i bought a 9mm camo version not long after, just because...still haven't taken it out of the box though.

 

[Styx]

Well, 10mm ammo is probably about 30%-40% more expensive than .40S&W, but I didn't really have .40S&W in mind as a comparison when I made my earlier comment.

For whatever it's worth, IMO, .40S&W isn't a particularly good choice for a "cheap plinker" either.

I think you misunderstood*. By "cheap plinker" I was referring to the price of the gun and not the ammo. I meant if they want a 10mm just to shoot at the range for the experience, it makes sense to only spend $200 on a Hi Point vs 3x-5x as much for something else.

 

[Styx]

I didn't say I was going to buy one and my general rule of thumb after the Charter Professional is wait a full year, maybe 18 months before buying a new to market firearm.

Smart man. I usually do the exact same thing.

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

Agreed, a lot of folks will be amped up by the price of the gun, then walk away when they try to buy ammo for it.

 

[mope540]

I think you miss understood. By "cheap plinker" I was referring to the price of the gun and not the ammo. I meant if they want a 10mm just to shoot at the range for the experience, it makes sense to only spend $200 on a Hi Point vs 3x-5x as much for something else.

An inexpensive hot load tester too. Surely someone will produce a YouTube video that shows load tests to the point of destruction. No point in risking damage to a costly pistol.

 

[Mark_Mark]

An inexpensive hot load tester too. Surely someone will produce a YouTube video that shows load tests to the point of destruction. No point in risking damage to a costly pistol.

Great Idea!!

 

[Mark_Mark]

Agreed, a lot of folks will be amped up by the price of the gun, then walk away when they try to buy ammo for it.

I found a S&B to be very cheap for HP 10mm. I really just wanted the bullets and brass for my own hand loads

 

[Terry G]

I've never owned a Hi Point but I'll never forget a LEOSA Training shoot where two Kimber .45's malfunctioned at least once per magazine and a Hi Point .45 never had one once on a 100 round shoot.

 

[Styx]

I've never owned a Hi Point but I'll never forget a LEOSA Training shoot where two Kimber .45's malfunctioned at least once per magazine and a Hi Point .45 never had one once on a 100 round shoot.

Sometimes you don't get what you pay for.

 

[JohnKSa]

I think you misunderstood*. By "cheap plinker" I was referring to the price of the gun and not the ammo.

I understand, but there's no plinking without ammo and for the gun to be a plinker, plinking must take place.

Sure, the initial investment is significantly less but I don't see it being enough less that people who are truly strapped for cash will be consider the gun to be a cheap option for plinking. They might, as TTv2 argues, buy the gun due to the perception that it has a lot more power than the other Hi-Point pistols, but, given the cost of ammo, they likely wouldn't be doing much plinking if money is that tight.

 

[Styx]

I understand, but there's no plinking without ammo and for the gun to be a plinker, plinking must take place.

Sure, the initial investment is significantly less but I don't see it being enough less that people who are truly strapped for cash will be consider the gun to be a cheap option for plinking. They might, as TTv2 argues, buy the gun due to the perception that it has a lot more power than the other Hi-Point pistols, but, given the cost of ammo, they likely wouldn't be doing much plinking if money is that tight.

I agree. Well the truth is, and am not talking about any members on this forum so don't come for me, most people strapped for cash don't think about or plan for the future. A lot of these pistols will rot in the box or will end up being sold used like new.

I reckon I'm doing better than most stereotypical Hi Point owners, but even I don't even really want to get into the 10mm game because I don't reload and because the cost of ammo.

 

[TTv2]

I thought the whole thing was pot metal. I never seen one or held one in person. Never seen one in any gun store my entire life. What I was really getting at was them offering something that's normal size and not as hideous.

In that case they should just up the price $75-$100, and use steel slides. They would still sell a ton of them at that price.

Can't accurately cast steel at that price and forgings would require machining. 3D printing might be an option in the future, but for now is too slow.

 

[DDDWho]

I’ve shot a HiPoint only once. A friend came to my house to show off his new HiPoint in 45 ACP. I fired one round, I thought it was the nastiest trigger I’d ever pulled. Retrieved my Remington 1911 out of the house and handed it to him. After firing a round he turned to me and said “wanna trade?”

 

[TTv2]

You are quoting my posts, but your responses to them don't seem to match up with anything I said.

Originally I didn't quote the comment I was responding to. Here it is: "Yea and don't forget they're a lot smaller to boot. I can see the allure of the 10mm option for someone who just wants to get their feet wet with a cheap 10mm plinker."

You can see how I responded. You can also see that my initial comment didn't include any endorsement of .40S&W as a better choice for a cheap plinker.

In addition, you can see that neither that comment nor the one that followed it said anything about stopping threats or power--since neither of those things are a factor in "plinking".

Neither of my responses suggested that people are unwilling to pay for 10mm ammo or discussed pre-COVID ammo prices.

Did you mean to quote someone else's posts?

No, you were the intended recipient.

You said there's no such thing as a cheap 10mm plinker and brought up ammo price as the main factor for that. Most people have the opinion that the only caliber that can be considered "cheap" is .22 or 9mm and anything more than those is no longer cheap.

People buying these 10mm Hi Points may not see them as cheap plinkers in the long run due to higher ammo cost than 9mm, but they're willing to pay that price as it's still and affordable higher power option.

So, tell me then while you're reading this what you had considered as a cheap plinker? All you have said so far is 10mm isnt a good cheap plinker, nor .40 was particularly good cheap plinker either.

I mean, if were talking about cheap plinking, nothing can beat a .177 pellet pump air gun.

 

[Styx]

Can't accurately cast steel at that price and forgings would require machining. 3D printing might be an option in the future, but for now is too slow.

Yes, it would require investment, but it would also dramatically increase interest and sales. I am surprised people still buy Hi Points when Taurus and Ruger have offerings that aren't that much more expensive. Right now I only see them being attractive to an extremely small slither of the market. It's just wishful thinking I guess.

 

[Styx]

No, you were the intended recipient.

You said there's no such thing as a cheap 10mm plinker and brought up ammo price as the main factor for that. Most people have the opinion that the only caliber that can be considered "cheap" is .22 or 9mm and anything more than those is no longer cheap.

People buying these 10mm Hi Points may not see them as cheap plinkers in the long run due to higher ammo cost than 9mm, but they're willing to pay that price as it's still and affordable higher power option.

So, tell me then while you're reading this what you had considered as a cheap plinker? All you have said so far is 10mm isnt a good cheap plinker, nor .40 was particularly good cheap plinker either.

I mean, if were talking about cheap plinking, nothing can beat a .177 pellet pump air gun.

Didn't ask me, but IMHO the answer is 22lr and 9mm is the general consensus IMHO. Those are the cheapest semiautomatic center fired handgun rounds on the market. I see bulk 9mm down to 16cpr online and cheap 10mm about 3x as much for the least expensive crap. That's a difference of hundreds of dollars per 1000 rounds. The cheapest 22lr is around .05cpr.

 

[TTv2]

Yes, it would require investment, but it would also dramatically increase interest and sales. I am surprised people still buy Hi Points when Taurus and Ruger have offerings that aren't that much more expensive. Right now I only see them being attractive to an extremely small slither of the market. It's just wishful thinking I guess.

You would be surprised at what the threshold is for a sale on a cheap gun. For years it was always $300-350, that changed during Covid, but seems it's going back to those days.

Take what was a $175 gun and ask $300 and sales will go down considerably.

I'm fine with Hi Points as they are, even if they were smaller, lighter, and made of better materials I still wouldn't carry one. Hi Point for me is an affordable fun range gun that is durable and backed by good CS, but can fill a home defense role just fine.

 

[TTv2]

Didn't ask me, but IMHO the answer is 22lr and 9mm is the general consensus IMHO. Those are the cheapest semiautomatic center fired handgun rounds on the market. I see bulk 9mm down to 16cpr online and cheap 10mm about 3x as much for the least expensive crap. That's a difference of hundreds of dollars per 1000 rounds. The cheapest 22lr is around .05cpr.

The point I'm making is just because something is the cheapest doesn't mean something that costs more can't also be considered cheap. Years ago I considered .40 cheap when I could get bonded Winchester JHP for $21/50rds, and with things today I consider .40 cheap compared to other calibers like .45 and 5.7x28.

The bottom line with 10mm over 9mm prices is you get what you pay for with 10mm, which is power.

 

[Styx]

The point I'm making is just because something is the cheapest doesn't mean something that costs more can't also be considered cheap. Years ago I considered .40 cheap when I could get bonded Winchester JHP for $21/50rds, and with things today I consider .40 cheap compared to other calibers like .45 and 5.7x28.

The bottom line with 10mm over 9mm prices is you get what you pay for with 10mm, which is power.

True, but respectfully, power doesn't matter much for plinking purposes really. It more of a factor for self-defense and maybe with some shooting competition sports. I doubt 99% of the people who buy high points are relegating them for self-defense or competition use. I am open to the possibility that I don't know what I am talking about, so I maybe completely off the mark.

 

[JohnKSa]

So, tell me then while you're reading this what you had considered as a cheap plinker?

Years ago, I bought a CZ-52 for $130 because I could buy Chinese 7.62x25 for around 6 cents a round, in bulk. I would call that a cheap plinker--at least when I bought it. Now 7.62x25 is pretty expensive and I don't think it qualifies any more.

I have a .22LR revolver which is cheap to shoot, but cost me around $600. I wouldn't call that a cheap plinker because even though the ammo is cheap, the gun was not.

I have a 9mm autopistol that I bought used for $275. I consider it a cheap plinker since the ammo and the gun were cheap. I have another 9mm autopistol that cost me over $1200--I wouldn't consider it a cheap plinker even though it costs me relatively little to shoot.

I bought an old Swedish Mauser for around $80 when the military issue ammo was still readily available and cheap. It was a cheap plinker then, but now that the military surplus stuff is gone, it's not any longer.

I mean, if were talking about cheap plinking, nothing can beat a .177 pellet pump air gun.

I have a pump .177 pellet pistol that I consider a cheap plinker. I have an FWB 65MkII pellet pistol that cost nearly $1000 when I bought it new many years ago. I don't consider it to be a cheap plinker.

A lot of these pistols will rot in the box or will end up being sold used like new.

Right. If someone is really buying it because they can't afford anything else, they aren't going to spend the money it takes to feed it. It will be a cheap option to have a 10mm pistol, but not a cheap 10mm plinker because there's really no such thing--with the possible exception of handloading, I suppose.

 

[Alllen Bundy]

I would like a 10 mm pistol primarily for camping. But the Hi-Point being a full pound heavier than the competition is a dealbreaker even when it is that cheap. The zinc slide also makes it seem like a disposable gun. Sometimes you just need to bite the bullet and pay the piper for what you need.

By the time my budget can afford it, probably next year, hopefully Sig will have the bugs worked out of the P320X-TEN and have a manual trigger safety available.

 

[zaitcev]

Interesting. Wonder how heavy they had to make it. The bolt thrust of 10mm is considerable. .45 ACP is about 3,100 lbs, full power 10mm is around 5,300 lbs.

Their website says
9mm: 29 oz
380: 29 oz
40: 35 oz
45: 35 oz
10mm: 49 oz

The 9 and 380 have smaller frames and shorter barrels, so this difference in weight is not fully accounted by the mass of the slide. However, the 10 mm version is the heaviest of them.