Hk 45

[MoreIsLess]

I have been in the market for another 45. I currently have one, a Colt 1911 Government model. I have been considering a Sig 220 and an M&P 45. Recently I have decided to include HK into the mix since they are about in the same price range as Sig. How do you think the HK 45's stacjk up against the Sig 220 or 227

 

[PabloJ]

The SIG is very similar to Gen III S&W guns that were designed to compete with it. Their only fault was they could not compete with Glock because they were too expensive to make. While SIG is worth the money the plastic framed H&K is not.

 

[HexHead]

While SIG is worth the money the plastic framed H&K is not.

Horse crap.

http://pistol-training.com/articles/hk45-interview-with-ken-hackathorn-and-larry-vickers

After holding an HK45, a Sig feels like a brick in your hand.

 

[Girodin]

The HK 45 might well be the best factory 45 ACP pistol available. They are insanely durable and reliable. The are known for impressive accuracy. The downsides are that it is a big gun and the mags are pretty expensive.


50K round endurance test:

http://pistol-training.com/archives/4027

While SIG is worth the money the plastic framed H&K is not.

I'd be interested to hear the logic behind that conclusion.

 

[Chuck R.]

I've owned a 220 (sold last year) and currently own am HK45T with the LEM trigger.

IMHO, I'd take the HK over either the 220 or the 227 (and did). The HK45 is slightly larger, but the HK weighs less than either the 220 or 227. My HK has been utterly reliable, my 220 not so much. It had the dreaded internal extractor which developed issues and to top it off the front sight fell off while firing. It was loose in the dovetail and glued in........*** over? Luckily it was found and SIG reinstalled (re-glued). At this point my one and only NH SIG and I parted company.

Accuracy wise, I think the HK beat my 220 but not by a huge margin, my 220 was pretty accurate. The DA/SA trigger on my SIG was better than the DA/SA on my HK, but the HK could be carried cocked and locked. Now with the LEM installed, it's no comparison, I prefer the HK trigger by a wide margin.

The ergonomics on the HK are IMHO hands down better than either the 220 or 227, the HK45 just fits like a glove, feels an awful lot like the P30/VP9. The mag release on the trigger guard is pure genius and once you're used to it, you'll want more pistols with this feature.

As Girodin pointed out the only downside to the HK45 is the price of magazines, best I've found is $62 per, so now I've got $600 tied up in magazines.

Chuck

 

[Zaydok Allen]

While SIG is worth the money the plastic framed H&K is not.

Total nonsense.

My HK45 was worth every penny. It's accurate. It's never had a single malfunction. Besides wanting a lighter double action trigger, I have no complaints at all. It's sitting on the table next to my bed, where it resides each night.

 

[PabloJ]

Total nonsense.

My HK45 was worth every penny. It's accurate. It's never had a single malfunction. Besides wanting a lighter double action trigger, I have no complaints at all. It's sitting on the table next to my bed, where it resides each night.

You would be just as well served with Glock 21.

 

[CNobbe]

I'd buy an FNX 45 over both of them. The FNX trigger is excellent.

 

[Chuck R.]

You would be just as well served with Glock 21.

That and probably a few others, but sense the OPs original question was:

How do you think the HK 45's stacjk up against the Sig 220 or 227

Maybe we could give him the benefit of the doubt that he's done some research and narrowed the .45ACP semi-pistol field down some to the specific models he's asked about.

Chuck

 

[Phaedrus/69]

I had an FNP45 Tactical and traded it towards an HK USP45 Tactical. The FN had a good trigger but I didn't feel the gun was as well made at the HK. The USP45 is better than the HK45 in some respects, and not as good in others. It comes down to how it fits your hand. The HK45 is a fantastic sidearm in its own right. I love the fact that you can run it cocked and locked, and of course the LEM is a great option, too.

 

[moxie]

All 3 are excellent choices. Top of the line! I suggest trying them out, then deciding for yourself. Keep in mind some of the points noted above, such as mag cost. Another point is that if you're used to a Colt you might want something with a similar manual of arms.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

You would be just as well served with Glock 21.

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
That comment simply and concisely brings us back to what I said earlier. "TOTAL NONSENSE!"

So I would be just as well served with a Glock 21? Lets think about that. The HK 45 has different ergonomics, that suit me better than a Glock. You can never give someone advice on ergos because everyone's hands are different. What works for one person may not work for the next. To me, a Glock feels like holding onto a toy with a god awful hump hitting the bottom of my hand. I'm glad it works well for you.

The aesthetics suits me far better on the HK than on a Glock, as I find Glocks to be blocky and unattractive. Again, you can't tell someone they would be served just as well with something they have not chosen in this regard, as it is based on personal preference.

Then we get into the manual of arms. The HK 45 is a hammer fired gun with, on my version, an external safety and decocker. It can be carried cocked and locked, and has DA and SA capabilities. The Glock 21 is a striker fired gun, with one mode of operation. The two guns are totally different in that regard.

My large hands do not enjoy push button magazine releases like on Glocks as the tip of my trigger finger tends to get hit by it when the gun recoils. So I greatly prefer the paddle release on HK guns. Again, personal preference so saying a Glock will serve me just as well makes no sense at all, since you have no idea what my needs are.

So the only things an HK45 and a Glock 21 have in common are that they both use polymer frames, they both use polygonal rifling, and they both have a blackened finish to them. Otherwise, they function differently, look different, and are completely different in the way they fit in the hand, which is a major individual choice as we all have different needs.

If the discussion would be between a Glock and XDm, or M&P, you may have a point. If you had told me I'd be just as well served by an FNX45, you may have a point as they share the same manual of operation. But to make the statement you did, is meaningless. It isn't even and apples to oranges comparison. It's an apples to iceberg lettuce comparison.

Glocks are fine weapons that will serve you well, IF THEY SUIT YOU. The same can be said for HK's and many particular guns. But telling someone you know nothing about that a particular gun will serve them just as well, simply because you have decided it is a better value completely ignores that fact that other people have other needs, and WANTS than you have.

 

[Old Dog]

Why do threads that ask a question about a particular model turn into bashing of all other models?

One poster puts into the proper perspective:

Maybe we could give him the benefit of the doubt that he's done some research and narrowed the .45ACP semi-pistol field down some to the specific models he's asked about.

I have the SIGs in P-220 and P-227; I also own a really cool FNX-45 (yeah, 15+1, baby!) ... and an HK45 is one pistol I do plan to buy (I'm just a sucker for hammer-fired .45s with great ergonomics). While I love my SIGs, I have tried the HK45, and it works for me pretty well; I'd like to give it thorough testing over a year or two, though.

As far as how they stack up, unlike a couple other posters here, the P-227 with its E2 grips fits me better than the HK45. I feel I shoot the SIGs with better accuracy than the HK, but others may obtain different results. The SIGs come with much better sights from the factory (talking the SIGLites). Availability and price of magazines may be a factor for some; SIG has a clear edge here. I suspect the SIGs may at the current time have more off-the-shelf holsters available as well. While the SIGs manage recoil well, the HK feels a tad different, but easily manages felt recoil ...

 

[sigarms228]

Why do threads that ask a question about a particular model turn into bashing of all other models?

Because a lot of firearm owners have a lot of ego tied up in their firearms. Some of those become especially annoyed when someone is considering a firearm that costs more then their personal choice and insecurity driven responses take over their dialogue.

 

[CNobbe]

You said it..

 

[Fishbed77]

You would be just as well served with Glock 21.

Not if you want a DA/SA .45ACP pistol with good ergonomics.

Because a lot of firearm owners have a lot of ego tied up in their firearms. Some of those become especially annoyed when someone is considering a firearm that costs more then their personal choice and insecurity driven responses take over their dialogue.

Nailed it.

 

[clang]

I've got a West German Sig 220 and a H&H USP45. The HK45 has a smaller grip frame then my USP. Both are great guns, reliable and accurate.

They also feel very different, so you might want to try them out before buying.

 

[JTQ]

Here are a couple of reviews from the late Mr. Stephen A. Camp that may be helpful.

SIG P220 http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/LongTerm Observations and ShortTerm Hopes-SIGSauer P220.htm

Beretta PX4 http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/shooting_the_45-caliber beretta PX4.htm

 

[FishEngineer]

All good guns. I have an HK 45, G21, FNP45 (standard and a tactical), and a P220.

General range use and fun shooting I tend to prefer the HK and Sig equally. Slight edge to the HK perhaps.

But, the magazine capacity of the FN and Glock presents a strong case for their overall usefulness. Small hands need not apply however.

 

[MoreIsLess]

That and probably a few others, but sense the OPs original question was:



Maybe we could give him the benefit of the doubt that he's done some research and narrowed the .45ACP semi-pistol field down some to the specific models he's asked about.

Chuck

You are correct. I had the Glock 21 on the list originally and it dropped off the list after I shot one last Friday

 

[boatdoc173]

I have held both I like both-- it is personal I guess-- I bought the hK 45 as I really love all of my H+Ks-- that said I am getting into Sigs as well

each has features that appeal to me. good luck deciding

 

[boatdoc173]

Because a lot of firearm owners have a lot of ego tied up in their firearms. Some of those become especially annoyed when someone is considering a firearm that costs more then their personal choice and insecurity driven responses take over their dialogue.

no one wants to admit they made a bad choice or that another choic e is a better one I guess

 

[boatdoc173]

Why do threads that ask a question about a particular model turn into bashing of all other models?

One poster puts into the proper perspective:


I have the SIGs in P-220 and P-227; I also own a really cool FNX-45 (yeah, 15+1, baby!) ... and an HK45 is one pistol I do plan to buy (I'm just a sucker for hammer-fired .45s with great ergonomics). While I love my SIGs, I have tried the HK45, and it works for me pretty well; I'd like to give it thorough testing over a year or two, though.

As far as how they stack up, unlike a couple other posters here, the P-227 with its E2 grips fits me better than the HK45. I feel I shoot the SIGs with better accuracy than the HK, but others may obtain different results. The SIGs come with much better sights from the factory (talking the SIGLites). Availability and price of magazines may be a factor for some; SIG has a clear edge here. I suspect the SIGs may at the current time have more off-the-shelf holsters available as well. While the SIGs manage recoil well, the HK feels a tad different, but easily manages felt recoil ...

per usual for me at least-- the H+K with a leo trigger takes some time to get to know and appreciate

the sigs take time to get use to combat sighting or they shoot low--for that matter most H+K and sigs aim the same for me at least.

the h+K lem triggers teach you trigger control and patience.

you cannot go wrong with either choice. I happen to like how the h++K feels over the sig--but if someone want to give me a sig for my BD-- I am open to a nic e present!!!

 

[boatdoc173]

Total nonsense.

My HK45 was worth every penny. It's accurate. It's never had a single malfunction. Besides wanting a lighter double action trigger, I have no complaints at all. It's sitting on the table next to my bed, where it resides each night.

I am amazed about how great the H+K plastic frames hold up even to a 45 acp-- this stuff is amazingly tough and has stood the test of time-- they are a great company. LOVE my H+Ks vp 9, p 30 9mm, hk45

that said I am learning to appreciate Sigs too

 

[B2Tall]

I'd buy an FNX 45 over both of them. The FNX trigger is excellent.

I agree. While my HK45 was outstanding (I have since sold it, only because it was redundant and I could put that money towards other guns), my FNX 45 is just as good for a lot less money. The FNX instantly became my "house gun" and is what sits on my nightstand when I go to bed. I must say that I've always liked HK's mag releases better than just about any other pistol, I'm not a competitive shooter and can't imagine needing more than the 15+1 that the FNX carries.

Either way you can't go wrong - both are fine pistols.