How Much Capacity Is Needed?
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Those would be two of several determinants.
Wasn't a man using a 357 single action engaging a man that had a cop pinned down with an ar-15? I remember him firing all six rounds. I could be wrong though. I believe he was over one hundred yards away too.
If one thought they were going to need a pistol at all they wouldn't go there, right.
Yes, some areas are inherently more dangerous than others, but people are mobile.
I'm not carrying for the friendly people I typically encounter walking the dogs in my "good area" - threat(s) anticipated to come from elsewhere.
Since threats are anticipated to come from elsewhere, the elsewhere gun gets carried everywhere.
If I had to defend myself, I would prefer a Glock 23 rather than a 380, regardless of location.
Do I think I need a Glock 23 + spare mag walking the dogs? No, I sure hope not; I don't expect to need a handgun at all.
Equipped for the threat I think I'll meet - I don't expect any threat.
If I have to defend myself, the pistol I would prefer in hand is not reduced because I'm standing in a nice spot.
Anticipated threat? Yea. I anticipate that if defending against a threat(s) I want at least a Glock 23/32 in hand, wherever.
I can't predict the actions of criminals/psychos, but I can (and do) carry a pistol I'd prefer in hand to defend myself, wherever, whenever.
To each his own.
Phaedrus/69
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Hahaha! I feel the same and am posting for the same reason; recovering from having surgery on my right shoulder. Can't work, can't get out and do much so here I am!
Still, it's interesting to see why people carry what they do. Normally I carry an HK P2000 loaded up 13+1 with a spare mag on my belt. Occasionally in very hot weather I'll carry my Beretta Nano with 8+1 and a spare mag on my belt. The risks don't change when it's hot but being human I will bow somewhat to comfort and convenience; the thinner, lighter Nano can be concealed easily under just a T-shirt.But right now I can't draw or shoot a sidearm with my right hand. The only option I've found that allows me to be armed is a left-handed belly band for my Ruger LCRx in .38 Special. My operation was about 4 months ago and I'm getting some more function back but I'm not 100% sure I could manipulate the slide on an auto if I had to clear a malfunction. The LCRx only holds five rounds but I figure better five that are pretty reliable than eighteen out of my VP9 that I might not be able to operate. It may be enough or may not, but since I'm temporarily disabled it's my best option. Luckily I've always done some weak hand practice so I'm reasonably competent just using my left. My right arm functions enough to reload the gun, just can't raise it to shoulder level yet.
JR24
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Hahaha! I feel the same and am posting for the same reason; recovering from having surgery on my right shoulder. Can't work, can't get out and do much so here I am!
But right now I can't draw or shoot a sidearm with my right hand. The only option I've found that allows me to be armed is a left-handed belly band for my Ruger LCRx in .38 Special. My operation was about 4 months ago and I'm getting some more function back but I'm not 100% sure I could manipulate the slide on an auto if I had to clear a malfunction. The LCRx only holds five rounds but I figure better five that are pretty reliable than eighteen out of my VP9 that I might not be able to operate. It may be enough or may not, but since I'm temporarily disabled it's my best option. Luckily I've always done some weak hand practice so I'm reasonably competent just using my left. My right arm functions enough to reload the gun, just can't raise it to shoulder level yet.
Question, why can't you operate a VP9 or P2000 with only your left hand? Clearance drills can be done with your belt and the rear sights (and it sounds like you have time to practice) and the slide stop is ambidextrous.
Though, if you get to the point you need to reload that snubby is likely long out of ammo anyway.
Not saying you're wrong, what works for you is great! Just asking about your reasoning.
scaatylobo
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Thank you = I was about to post a simular article.
As to the poster who stated he NEVER saw an article about a homeowner or citizen needing to reload or needing more than 3 rounds = READ MORE !!!.
Retired LEO here,I carry what I damned well please,and what I hope I never need.
There was a video of a female homeowner, engaging two, IIRC, opponents with a semi and firing more than three rounds. This is going the usual way of this common thread. You probably will never be in a gun fight, you probably will not fire a gun in a DGU - that's the 'average, mode, median'. Go with Joe and no gun for Yo.
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Fair enough. I carried my first NAA with 5 empty cases until I trusted the safety notch completely. I have noticed you can't tell by sight if the hammer is inside the notch on the cylinder or not. But if your hammer is in the right spot in the notch, the cylinder won't spin. So that safety check works for me.
bullseye308
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Here is the simplified answer. The number of rounds needed is between 0 and one more then you have on hand. Most likely just drawing the gun will make them flee, could be one shot fired will be enough, or you could empty the clip, empty, the spare, and the backup, and need one more round. You will never know till/if it happens. Carry what you are comfortable with that fits whatever scenarios you think you may encounter and odds are you will be fine, unless you aren’t.
It is impossible to determine what you may encounter in any area, at any given time, and what the bad guy(s) intent and level of determination will be. The best you can do is carry something, be proficient with it, and be aware of your surroundings. Don’t go to bad places at bad times, don’t associate with bad people, and if that little voice in the back of your head says “you need to leave”, get outta there.
It is impossible to determine what you may encounter in any area, at any given time, and what the bad guy(s) intent and level of determination will be. The best you can do is carry something, be proficient with it, and be aware of your surroundings. Don’t go to bad places at bad times, don’t associate with bad people, and if that little voice in the back of your head says “you need to leave”, get outta there.
fastbolt
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Another capacity thread? Perennial topic.
Suit yourself.
My retirement CCW choices include revolvers that hold 5-6rds, and pistols that use 6-12rd magazines. My choices are predicated upon the training and experiences of my LE time, which included more than a couple decades of training and serving as a LE firearms instructor.
I have reasons for my own choices, and no concern regarding the choices (and reasons) of others.
I do have an opinion that more gun owners who anticipate a potential need for using their guns for self defense would benefit from some formal firearms training, and acquiring a working knowledge of the laws of self defense, but again, that's their concern and problem.
Suit yourself.
My retirement CCW choices include revolvers that hold 5-6rds, and pistols that use 6-12rd magazines. My choices are predicated upon the training and experiences of my LE time, which included more than a couple decades of training and serving as a LE firearms instructor.
I have reasons for my own choices, and no concern regarding the choices (and reasons) of others.
I do have an opinion that more gun owners who anticipate a potential need for using their guns for self defense would benefit from some formal firearms training, and acquiring a working knowledge of the laws of self defense, but again, that's their concern and problem.
danez71
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The average # of band-aids needed for a cut is one.
fastbolt
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The answer to that question is seemingly learned by a dismaying number of folks the hard way.
To borrow a bit of folksy "wisdom" among gun owners, and apply it to training .... Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.
fastbolt
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You've probably never seen some average person virtually empty out a First Aid kit dealing with a minor cut or abrasion.
danez71
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You've probably never seen some average person virtually empty out a First Aid kit dealing with a minor cut or abrasion.
Sure I have....my kid growing up.
Having more than the average sure came in handy.
To quote the John Wicks of this thread do you have a source with the stats on this dismaying number?
JR24
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"Daddy I need a band aid!" Five minutes later, "Daddy, I want my bandaid off".
Repeat ad infinitum
Phaedrus/69
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To be honest I've not done a ton of clearance drills with one hand and it's hard to do them now. I can't wear a belt (can't buckle it) so that one's out. Also I have no left-hand holsters for any of my guns. I could buy one but by the time I get it I'll probably have my right arm back, and in any case the P2000 and VP9 are both too heavy to wear without the belt I can't buckle. Lastly the LCRx is a lot lighter which is easier to shoot with my weak hand.
As the mods have been hammering home, the odds that I'll need the gun are relatively low to begin with. Woods carry is another matter entirely since we have a lot of Grizzlies here. I'll be avoiding the woods though til my arm is a bit better (not really safe to hike since I can't use trekking poles and a fall would leave me with a strong likelihood of needing a full shoulder replacement).
JR24
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Makes sense, thanks for answering.
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