joab said:
And I would have to disagree with you, along with wondering why you chose to single me out
I suppose because I have often in the past, agreed with what you say about cop bashing.
I just took the comment at what I thought was face value that one shouldn’t assume that the officer is telling the truth. That doesn’t mean that I think he was lying. I didn’t take the comment to indicate that one should automatically assume that the officer was lying. I took is as advice merely to not make an assumption either way. I don’t consider everyone I meet to be a liar, however I don’t also assume they are all honest either. I give the benefit of the doubt, but trust is something I’m not so generous with as when I was younger.
The comment was meant to suggest that the officer should be assumed to be lying
I took it to suggest that one shouldn’t automatically assume the officer was telling the truth. That doesn’t mean to assume he is lying, it just means don’t make the assumption he’s telling the truth. I took it quite literally.
The fact that it has generated such bashing comments as
Police have been known to lie, and are actually encouraged to do so if they think it will aid an investigation
My understanding is that the courts have ruled that police can lie to suspect during an interrogation (or some such). I know that I’m unclear on this, but am I totally off base? If so, I certainly don’t mind you clearing things up for me.
Look, all I’m saying is, “I don’t think LEO (in general) are above misleading people they are investigating, be it intentionally, or unintentionally”. Is that “cop bashing”, and if so how?
In my defense, people lie (and/or are mistaken) all the time. There are bad, as well as good in law enforcement, just as there are in all walks of life. Police officers don’t automatically become angels once the put on the uniform and badge (although I think the do deserve a great amount of respect for doing so), and while there are probably a lot fewer bad apples in that particular bunch than there are good ones, that doesn’t mean we should ignore the bad ones. That isn’t to imply that we shouldn’t project their tarnished image on those officers who serve their community honorably.
Are you claiming that such a thing has never happened?
Ever heard of Kathryn Johnston?
I’ve seen what I consider some pretty disgusting comments in regards to LEO on this board since I’ve been here, but I honestly don’t understand how bringing up a documented, current event constitutes “cop bashing” just because it throws a small number of them in a bad light. I am however, willing to accept that, “just because I don’t see it, doesn’t mean it isn’t there”. So, you say its cop bashing. Mind telling why it’s cop bashing? (Nothing implied here, sometimes a second point of view is good).
That said, since this may be considered as veering off topic, I welcome you to continue this conversation via PM if you so chose. That doesn’t mean that I don’t want a response in the thread, just trying to leave an option open.