A utility bill can only be used as proof of residency if the utility company is government-run.Not everyone carries a recent utility bill
Well, no, not exactly. In Arkansas, a utility bill is accepted as proof of address (residency) by the DMV for issuing a REAL ID version of the drivers license, and it is accepted by the library system as proof of address (residency) within the service area of the library system. The bill does not have to be from a government-operated utility. Residency is about where you live, and depending on context, may or may not relate to requirements or privileges with regard to citizenship or other legal issues, such as purchase of ammunition or handguns.A utility bill can only be used as proof of residency if the utility company is government-run.
Of course they do. But if you want to buy a handgun, for example, that's not enough. They want proof of current residency as well. And you have to pass a test and pay for a license also.^^ Does California not put addresses on driver's licenses?
Perhaps where you live, but in California:A utility bill can only be used as proof of residency if the utility company is government-run.
No, that still applies in CA. I was referring to federal ATF regulations. All gun dealers — even ones in CA — have to follow federal regulations. This is from the back pages of the 4473:Perhaps where you live, but in California:
I was referring to federal ATF regulations, so my comment in post #11 qualifies at every FFL in the US. You can’t use a private utility company bill as proof of residency when buying a firearm from any FFL, including in Arkansas.Well, no, not exactly. In Arkansas, a utility bill is accepted as proof of address (residency) by the DMV for issuing a REAL ID version of the drivers license, and it is accepted by the library system as proof of address (residency) within the service area of the library system. The bill does not have to be from a government-operated utility. Residency is about where you live, and depending on context, may or may not relate to requirements or privileges with regard to citizenship or other legal issues, such as purchase of ammunition or handguns.
Your experience in Pennsylvania may be different, and the basis for your comment.
Good catch. The quote in my post is from the office of the CA Attorney General, but it appears to be wrong. No, not all the utilities in CA are government run.No, that still applies in CA. I was referring to federal ATF regulations. All gun dealers — even ones in CA — have to follow federal regulations. This is from the back pages of the 4473:
“Question 18.b. Supplemental Documentation: Licensees may accept a combination of valid government-issued documents to satisfy the identification document requirements of the law. The required valid government-issued photo identification document bearing the name, photograph, and date of birth of transferee/buyer may be supplemented by another valid, government-issued document showing the transferee's/buyer's residence address. This supplemental documentation should be recorded in question 18.b., with the issuing authority and type of identification presented. For example, if the transferee/buyer has two States of residence and is trying to buy a handgun in State X, he may provide a driver's license (showing his name, date of birth, and photograph) issued by State Y and another government-issued document (such as a tax document) from State X showing his residence address. A valid electronic document from a government website may be used as supplemental documentation provided it contains the transferee's/buyer's name and current residence address.”
A utility bill from a private utility company wouldn’t qualify. Is it possible that all utility companies in CA are government-run, so this discussion is moot?
Maybe it’s not wrong, but maybe it’s just used in a different content beyond the federal regulations I was referring to. One thing I seem to have seen mentioned a few times by CA residents is that you need an additional proof of residency in CA to buy a firearm besides just your photo ID. Is that true?Good catch. The quote in my post is from the office of the CA Attorney General, but it appears to be wrong. No, not all the utilities in CA are government run.
You’re right, it’s not. The ATF says you can’t use a PO box as your residence. That makes sense because it’s hard to live in a PO box .It may not be legal, but some folks have US state DL and vehicle registration pointing at a PO box.
Florida DL's and ID's have a gold star.As a Florida resident that also resides owns and occupies a house in Rhode Island I can but a gun in Rhode Island by submitting a property tax bill or utility bill.
Would suspect, in this country at least, if one has a gun one has a drivers license, that has the Federal Mandated red star.
On all State Drivers Licenses a gold star (or a bear for California) means that the DL is a REAL ID, and can be used for ID to board commercial airlines. Some states use a black star, and some a black in red star. To issue a REAL ID license, the state DMV has to go through more stringent identity verification processes (more documents) as specified by Department of Homeland Security and TSA.Florida DL's and ID's have a gold star
There is no Federal requirement to register gun owners and if you have a red star on a DL. it has nothing to do with firearms.Would suspect, in this country at least, if one has a gun one has a drivers license, that has the Federal Mandated red star.