I have not said that.
Is 5 or 6 really enough in today's world.
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Will 5 or 6 rounds get you killed on the streets? The historic evidence say a resounding "NO," but the internet and the imaginative say "YES!" It's a stale mate between people's imagination vs reality and satistics. I'm not sure how "what-ifs" and ever changing make beleive senerios can be defeated or are worth trying to debate against.
The magic arbitrary number which was pulled out of thin air that won't result in death on the streets seems to be at least 10 rounds. Anything less than 10 is a death sentence although this has never been proven.
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Zero may be sufficient; it has been for me.. One ore two rounds may suffice. Four or five may not. A defender may not be able to use any number at all successfully.
Influencing factors would be time, hit rate, what body parts are actually wounded, the fitness and determination of the attackers....
I carry eight. I would be happier with ten or twelve.
Influencing factors would be time, hit rate, what body parts are actually wounded, the fitness and determination of the attackers....
I carry eight. I would be happier with ten or twelve.
Quick sidebar - is a snub easier to carry under a tucked shirt?
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Former drug dealer and now Rapper 50 Cent was shot 9 times while living in the hood. That's proof that 8 rounds will get you killed. Better change your EDC quick before you get onto a gun fight and are one round short.
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I think the general consensus among the high round count guys is you're a fool if you don't go everywhere 24/7 with a 15+ round pistol.
I think the general consensus among the low round count guys is we don't think we need to carry around a full size pistol or a rifle all the time, but others can do whatever they want.
@Kleanbore - thank you for giving us your number. Mine is 7 or 13 depending on my attire.
These threads come out at least monthly and it’s generally the same folks on different sides. The pro hi-cap argument goes something like this: “ You are at high risk with only 6 rounds due to potential multiple assailants, your potentially bad shot placement, wounding effects, etc.”. I agree with all of the potential effects, but that final assessed risk from the number of rounds is a personal assessment and it is not a quantifiable number. If it was, we’d all be able to look at how much adding more rounds reduced our risk.
If a revolver person does speak up, his/her concerns with concealment are written off as “get better at concealment”. That’s not an answer. I could equally argue that you must have 30 rds and a SBR or carbine just as well, and hey if you can’t always wear a trench coat that is your poor concealment problem and you need to get better…
I much prefer my 12+1 P365 over my S&W bodyguard (6+1). I’m a better shot with it and it fits my hand much better than the S&W. And it’s 9mm vs .380. But, there are clothes and times when the P365 doesn’t work for me.
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The real question is: How many rounds will it take to mitigate this particular threat on this particular day? The answer could be anywhere between zero and twenty or more. Pick a number you like and live (or die) with it, because no one can answer that question until after the fact.
I mean I took a shower last night and there's a Glock 29 in the bathroom, but not on me. My wife thought that was inappropriate, and I told her I agreed, because a 10mm is a lot when your hands are wet and soapy. Shower guns should be 9mm or less.
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Risk is a sliding scale. There isn’t a “yes or no” answer. There is only more risk or less risk.
No. They should be 5.56 rifles so you can grip it right. Just mount one above the door.
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More random thoughts:
If you carry n-rounds there is always the potential for a conflict requiring n+1 rounds to escape if you see the gun as the only option. If the gun is part of an array of options, then your gun gives you n number of uses to compliment your other avenues of escape.
Threads like this can never determine what n should be. They can simple give you a larger array of factors that impact the attempts to determine n and a larger number of opinions on those factors.
Averages are only applicable to the population they are averaged across. Since I am an individual those averages mean very little in comparison to a honest evaluation of my personal skills and circumstances and my personal risk tolerance.
How many Band-Aids are in you IFAK?
If you carry n-rounds there is always the potential for a conflict requiring n+1 rounds to escape if you see the gun as the only option. If the gun is part of an array of options, then your gun gives you n number of uses to compliment your other avenues of escape.
Threads like this can never determine what n should be. They can simple give you a larger array of factors that impact the attempts to determine n and a larger number of opinions on those factors.
Averages are only applicable to the population they are averaged across. Since I am an individual those averages mean very little in comparison to a honest evaluation of my personal skills and circumstances and my personal risk tolerance.
How many Band-Aids are in you IFAK?
Agreed. And we all assess risk, concealment, weight, size differently so we end up with different answers. I am ok with that.
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If your chosen carry gun could hold an infinite number of rounds, but you still had to put up with the weight of each one, how many would you carry?
I'd carry 20. Nice round number, not too heavy.
I'd carry 20. Nice round number, not too heavy.
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That sums it up very nicely.
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New advancements in 9mm has made it just as good as 5.56 at blowing lungs clean out of the body with less recoil and over penetration. C'mon man!No. They should be 5.56 rifles so you can grip it right. Just mount one above the door.
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Yeah...no.
I'm probably in the "high round count" camp, but I certainly have good friends and family members -- whom I respect -- that either carry revolvers, single-stack pistols or -- gasp -- don't carry a firearm at all, ever.
They are certainly not fools. And I don't try to push my opinions on them, either. Nor will I cast aspersions on their mental capabilities.
Some people are prepared for bad situations. Some people are prepared for the worst situations.
Eleven pages this time.
Anyone know what the THR record for the capacity debate thread is? (Asking for a buddy.)
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No idea, but to "round" out the discussion I'll add that if we ask an Amish man how many rounds are enough in today's world, he'll say zero.
Not in KY; I've seen them buy AR15's when I lived there.
aaaaa
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for hunting game?
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If you were standing at a counter where a 15rd 9mm auto and a 5rd 38spl lay in front of you....and bullets begin flying near you and your loved ones.....which gun do you choose to pick up?
Not everyone is well versed in both. Most will choose the devil they know in the time of stress.
Not everyone is well versed in both. Most will choose the devil they know in the time of stress.
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Not being well versed in both is a personal problem that should be addressed.
And given that choice, and you select the 5 round 38, Im going to hazard a guess, that your skill levels probably arent going to be up for whats about to come next.
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Aren't we all just "hazarding a guess" at the end of the day?
And yes, I feel it is a little "low road" to deride the low cap crowd as ranging from completely unrealistic to downright low-key-anti and deserving whatever happens to them. With the assumption that intentions of said individuals are only the best and you are trying to save my life in your own ham-handed way and thanks, I guess?
That is my contribution to this week's 11 pages worth of "guess the number of angels dancing on the head of today's pin".
And yes, I feel it is a little "low road" to deride the low cap crowd as ranging from completely unrealistic to downright low-key-anti and deserving whatever happens to them. With the assumption that intentions of said individuals are only the best and you are trying to save my life in your own ham-handed way and thanks, I guess?
That is my contribution to this week's 11 pages worth of "guess the number of angels dancing on the head of today's pin".
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