MISTER MOON
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Hi all , this is my last idea for the URBAN COMBAT for the SPECIAL FORCES with an M4 barrel 11,5 in WWW.M9M4.COM .... Page 18
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auschip
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Are these knives you made, or are they Buck knives? If you made them, why add the mark of another manufacturer?
I'm confused.
I'm confused.
John G
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Did I just read, on pg. 18 of your site, that you have an "American uncle" named "Santa Claus?"
I don't get it.
I don't get it.
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MISTER MOON
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To AUSCHIP : Hello ... it's an M9 LanCay modificated ... M9 or M11 EOD ... Why M9M4 HYBRID ? ... Simply because this " special-made " is a " new " possibility for the M4 Rifle ! The possibility to put this " short " M9 on a short barrel 11,5 .... Try to put an " actual " M9 bayo on this M4 COMMANDO and see the " big " problem ....
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John G. .......... U 're right
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Well.....I think it's a Great idea. If you carry a Combat knife in the first place, examine the Phrobis C.U.K.....Combat Utility Knife or the Relentless M1 Map knife
They are about the perfect size for an all around utility which would include cutting chores of every kind, as well as digging , chopping prying, and just so many other tasks. It's smaller than the M9 but with all the +'s
The ability to attach it to a rifle....is also a big +.
Of course they are not foldable as pocket knives, but, under extreme conditions, as encountered by US Navy Seals and other such groups
these tools can mean the difference between darkness and light.
Great idea Mr Moon.
They are about the perfect size for an all around utility which would include cutting chores of every kind, as well as digging , chopping prying, and just so many other tasks. It's smaller than the M9 but with all the +'s
The ability to attach it to a rifle....is also a big +.
Of course they are not foldable as pocket knives, but, under extreme conditions, as encountered by US Navy Seals and other such groups
these tools can mean the difference between darkness and light.
Great idea Mr Moon.
While US forces may not "see" a role for bayonets in the field the UK still does (remember the fixed bayonet charge carried out by the Argyles in Iraq?).
Are they practical and therefore worth keeping? Dunno. Most bayonets make lousy knives and a good small knife is more valuable than a big piece of semi-sharpened steel for troops lug around with everything else they lug around. The only report I've seen of US troops putting them to use in Iraq was a Marine unit clearing a field of high grass where CQB could have taken place. in that case they fixed bayonets as a precaution. But overall, it doesn't seem like a cost effective piece of kit any more, but that may be due to the concept falling by the wayside.
I've handled the M9 "knife" and don't consider it to be a good knife. That round handle is not what you want on a knife that you're going to "fight" with or use as a tool.
I do know I'd rather have an M4 be a "spear" than a "club", but I'd rather the spear point to be long enough.
Are they practical and therefore worth keeping? Dunno. Most bayonets make lousy knives and a good small knife is more valuable than a big piece of semi-sharpened steel for troops lug around with everything else they lug around. The only report I've seen of US troops putting them to use in Iraq was a Marine unit clearing a field of high grass where CQB could have taken place. in that case they fixed bayonets as a precaution. But overall, it doesn't seem like a cost effective piece of kit any more, but that may be due to the concept falling by the wayside.
I've handled the M9 "knife" and don't consider it to be a good knife. That round handle is not what you want on a knife that you're going to "fight" with or use as a tool.
I do know I'd rather have an M4 be a "spear" than a "club", but I'd rather the spear point to be long enough.
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Well....all things considered here.....I still like the M9, and think it to be one of the best knives ever.
That is the Phrobis version, as the more recent variety is a bit different.
As for the handle, one must consider that Armies are made up of people of all different shapes and sizes.
So many inventions intended for the military must be adaptable to hands of all sizes etc.
They also must be handy in all different lighting, wet, dry, or frozen environments with or without gloves etc etc.
So, the M9 handle although not the most comfortable is the most versatile IMO
As for the name Bayonet ...well I think the idea
changed to knife primary, spear secondary.
Yes in days of old spears were a more effective weapon than firearms that may not even function, and fired one shot etc.
But those days are long gone Certainly many might agree than in a situation were
a firearm is rendered useless by mechanical difficulties, or no ammunition, a person armed with a rifle with fixed bayonet may be better off than the guy with a pocket knife.
Finally, the Original Phrobis version of the M9 was forged, and allowed the knife to be tempered for flexibility, yet retaining a good amount of edge holding ability....something many older bayonets lacked.
This added with the serrations intended to saw through downed air craft bodies, make it a doubly handy tool.
Of course everyone will not agree, and one of the major drawbacks to the whole M9 family IMO is the over built rather bulky sheath, which could use serious improvement.
Further, the modern M9 Bayonet was changed by contractors, to increase their profit. This was done within the Gov spec's, but removed many of the greatest features of the Phrobis rendering it heavier, and IMO less.
As for the C.U.K. on the 11.5" M4.....well, I would not choose the 11.5" M4 unless I were using it in close quarters.....so,a shorter knife to attatch to it may be warranted for urban situations.....even though in use it may be less effective impalement,with a 5.5 inch blade than a 7.5 inch blade. The extra 2" may not reduce the impalement effect, as much as it might reduce the chances of the user ever getting to that point if the 2" were protruding out of a corner allowing the adversary to deflect the knife and rifle for long enough to use what ever means he or she might to end the conflict..
Finally, one cannot fully appreciate the concept, without first
closely examining the Phrobis C.U.K.
The knife is based on the M9, but there are several improvements one Great big one being the sheath.
It is so much lighter and easier to attach and use in a wide variety of situations, and the knife is handier lighter and IMO more usable for many tasks, yet still super strong with the application of lateral loads etc as the knife is forged with the fuller in place etc.
So, it sort of shifts the balance and makes the primary task be knife and secondary task be spear.
I think the Russians did this on the Ak quite a few years ago.They offered a spike, but later a smaller detachable knife.
So I like the invention, but think it would be better if the C.U.K.
were the base
That is the Phrobis version, as the more recent variety is a bit different.
As for the handle, one must consider that Armies are made up of people of all different shapes and sizes.
So many inventions intended for the military must be adaptable to hands of all sizes etc.
They also must be handy in all different lighting, wet, dry, or frozen environments with or without gloves etc etc.
So, the M9 handle although not the most comfortable is the most versatile IMO
As for the name Bayonet ...well I think the idea
changed to knife primary, spear secondary.
Yes in days of old spears were a more effective weapon than firearms that may not even function, and fired one shot etc.
But those days are long gone Certainly many might agree than in a situation were
a firearm is rendered useless by mechanical difficulties, or no ammunition, a person armed with a rifle with fixed bayonet may be better off than the guy with a pocket knife.
Finally, the Original Phrobis version of the M9 was forged, and allowed the knife to be tempered for flexibility, yet retaining a good amount of edge holding ability....something many older bayonets lacked.
This added with the serrations intended to saw through downed air craft bodies, make it a doubly handy tool.
Of course everyone will not agree, and one of the major drawbacks to the whole M9 family IMO is the over built rather bulky sheath, which could use serious improvement.
Further, the modern M9 Bayonet was changed by contractors, to increase their profit. This was done within the Gov spec's, but removed many of the greatest features of the Phrobis rendering it heavier, and IMO less.
As for the C.U.K. on the 11.5" M4.....well, I would not choose the 11.5" M4 unless I were using it in close quarters.....so,a shorter knife to attatch to it may be warranted for urban situations.....even though in use it may be less effective impalement,with a 5.5 inch blade than a 7.5 inch blade. The extra 2" may not reduce the impalement effect, as much as it might reduce the chances of the user ever getting to that point if the 2" were protruding out of a corner allowing the adversary to deflect the knife and rifle for long enough to use what ever means he or she might to end the conflict..
Finally, one cannot fully appreciate the concept, without first
closely examining the Phrobis C.U.K.
The knife is based on the M9, but there are several improvements one Great big one being the sheath.
It is so much lighter and easier to attach and use in a wide variety of situations, and the knife is handier lighter and IMO more usable for many tasks, yet still super strong with the application of lateral loads etc as the knife is forged with the fuller in place etc.
So, it sort of shifts the balance and makes the primary task be knife and secondary task be spear.
I think the Russians did this on the Ak quite a few years ago.They offered a spike, but later a smaller detachable knife.
So I like the invention, but think it would be better if the C.U.K.
were the base
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