Making a 366 Rigby

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Ryden said:
A XC90 utility would actually be a cool Volvo, never seen one or even a design proposal.

I'll ask a friend of ours, she destroys Volvos for a living and by doing so makes the world a better place one car at a time ;)
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I used to go to the Volvo auctions when I was little with my dad and his friend and his mother that worked for volvo, I think vp of something for volvo. They still get the car program, think you pay like $100 a month and drive a new car. His wife is the head of human resources for the us.

I was close to buying a saab 9-3 aero cheap, but was so worried about parts.

but back to guns
 
Ryden said:
Someday I might have a dedicated place to set this up, but that plywood piece has done it's duty for two decades
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I cut my reloading chops during some 25 years living in various rental spaces. When I moved up from hand presses to bench mounted, I made little portable pedestals that go into the closet between sessions.

Once I moved back to the family home to stay and finally could setup a dedicated, semi-permanent loading space, I realized I'd grown to prefer having my gear portable. I'm not limited to one room, so I can set up my reloading gear wherever the prevailing optimum temperature and cat conditions exist. I'm up to three pedestals, one tackle box, three large storage cases of dies and a shoebox sized case lube station. Primers and powder are stored in separate outbuildings.

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Since this photo was taken, I added an RCBS bench priming station to the back of the dedicated Lee decapping press. There is usually a quart yogurt container hanging below to catch spent primers.
 
You should should have bought it, it's a really good car and there are no, and never will be, shortage of parts or mechanics to serve them. Saab never made the parts, it was subcontracted to big auto parts manufacturers and they still keep making them .

Those pedestals look really nice, but are they stable enough?
I kept lifting the rear of my table for some cases that were harder to size than the others. I might try to make one, it's a good idea that never occurred to me
 
Wish I still had a Volvo, I had a bad wreck with my last one. I beautiful white 850R like new, I hit a few deer going over 120mph, deer got under the front wheels and spun the car. I hit a large oak tree, the rear bumper was pushed into the front passenger seat, I think the Volvo Breck away seat is what saved me, otherwise my back should have broken.

I was thinking of making a nice priesthood for my press. I've make nice ones for grinders and such for truck break drums. I worked for a well driller so I used 6" well caseing , for the upright.
 
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If you'd been a cat I'd say you spent about eight and a half lives there. I have to give them that, Volvos are safe!

Well casing is a bit out of my league
I'll probably make a prototype out of galvanized mending plate and old brake discs :D
 
Ryden said:
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If you'd been a cat I'd say you spent about eight and a half lives there. I have to give them that, Volvos are safe!

Well casing is a bit out of my league
I'll probably make a prototype out of galvanized mending plate and old brake discs :D
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Mmm the sweet smell of galvanized burning, use a exhaust fan.

Wish I still had the picture of the 850r after it met the tree, my memory card I had all my good pictures on craped out. I had a friend that worked for the town cut the tree down. It was planted like 70 yards ago to mark the 1/4 line of a very nice long flat road in the middle of nowhere. I am glad it was not in the Ford escort I built, I've been over 160 on that stretch before.
 
Ryden said:
Those pedestals look really nice, but are they stable enough?
I kept lifting the rear of my table for some cases that were harder to size than the others. I might try to make one, it's a good idea that never occurred to me
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The Lyman Orange Crusher's pedestal pipe is half-filled with melted lead for extra stability, but mostly it's down to technique: left hand either grasps the top of the die or presses down just behind the press while cranking the lever. Extra care is only necessary when bearing down hard during resizing operations -- other times I can just hold the base down with my foot. I later made a third pedestal for an old C&H single stage 'C' press, which features about a 15 degree backward tilt to the power stroke that balances better than the Lee's horizontal stroke.

I put all of these together from leftover plywood endcuts, using plumbing pipe and a pair of floor flanges to bring the work to about my seated knee height.
 
The weather is much nicer today, so time to take those pesky Expendables out.
I had gotten Intel stating they would be in the vicinity of the compost heap at roughly 1500 Juliet.

I bedded down in my hide and started to observe the target area. The vegetation was dense and offered good cover (I really need to get the lawnmower back from my BIL)

Suddenly I spotted the glint of brass through the grass and suddenly, like an image leaping out of a patch of colored dots which tells you that your new glasses are going to be really expensive, I saw them all hiding in the shadows (I really need to get that lawnmower back).

Slowly I centered the crosshairs on the frontman and waited for the opportune moment.

It never came so I shot him.

In quick succession I put a steam of lead in the air and as the dust settled I was the first man standing.

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Dolph is one hard mofo, look at that shot in the upper sternum, it should have taken him clean out but he leaped in the air and managed to get almost 90 yards towards me before succumbing to his wounds.

That kind of scared me.

When I found that two of them had gotten away in spite of verified hits I started to get a bad feeling and when I then was attacked by the natives I beat a strategic retreat.

The little red b*ds were everywhere!

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Actually, it was too easy.
Prone with a bipod every shot was a hit.

I found a bag of Winchester 30-06 cases that looked like it was due for retirement and set up about 30 targets at various places.
I had to reset them several times because of the long grass.

Minisniping is normally done with 9 mm or 22LR cases which sets a good level of difficulty.
There are pros and cons to having a rifle like this
On the pro side, where the center dot is there will soon be a hole.
On the con side, you can never blame the gun...

Helps you focus on what you're doing wrong.
Did I pull the shot?
Did I flinch? (rarely with an air gun)
Did I screw up the breathing?

It really is a stern teacher
 
adcoch1 said:
Got a decent air rifle last night, looking forward to some mini sniping myself... I have a bucket of damaged brass to for targets. Should be a fun activity with my 8yr old...
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It's a brilliant activity, for about 15 minutes.

Then you're on your own.

I remember helping my son build a huge Lego Unimog at Christmas when he was that age. He stuck it out for half an hour and I was found in a pile of blocks when my wife returned from midnight mass...
 
Ryden said:
It's a brilliant activity, for about 15 minutes.

Then you're on your own.

I remember helping my son build a huge Lego Unimog at Christmas when he was that age. He stuck it out for half an hour and I was found in a pile of blocks when my wife returned from midnight mass...
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We play with Legos quite a bit, but yeah 15 min in and they just want me to build them stuff...

On the Ackley improved question, most of my research leads me to believe the best reason to go AI is brass life. They seem to stretch less, meaning less trimming and more full power reloads. Back in the day most of P.O. Ackley's loads were over pressure to get the gains he was after. 30-06 AI is one of the lesser improvements. I still want one for cool factor though...
 
Ryden said:
Do you feel that going to AI was worth the effort?
I've been thinking about converting my 06 but the gain seems too small for the cost and labor involved
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Its hard to say, honestly. With my rifles 26" barrel i can run 178eldxs at just under 3k with a few powders and break it with a couple.
Best I could get with my 24" barreled normal 06, was about 2850. After that Id get sticky bolt.

Increase in capacity is only about 5% so im assuming that the extra velocity is coming from the longer barrel, and running higher pressure.

If that 100-200fps is worth the cost of setting a barrel back and rechambering, then yes, no doubt.
Done properly theres really no downside to having an AI chamber.
 
That's what I thought.
The velocity gain is small and looking at the loading data it seems that it comes mainly from running at a higher pressure. I suppose you can get that today by simply choosing another powder and loading hot.

But I always thought it'd be cool

Nah, it's an '06 Ackley Improved!
It's a whole 'nother ball park you know.


I think accuracy tops speed, and they rarely peak at the same time
 
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Ryden said:
That's what I thought.
The velocity gain is small and looking at the loading data it seems that it comes mainly from running at a higher pressure. I suppose you can get that today by simply choosing another powder and loading hot.

But I always thought it'd be cool

Nah, it's an '06 Ackley Improved!
It's a whole 'nother ball park you know.


I think accuracy tops speed, and they rarely peak at the same time
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Valid point about accuracy nodes. The AI might give you enough velocity to get to the next one for your barrel. I have heard a lot of people having that happen with the 280ai. Right at max charges and the group tightens up, just 50 or so fps faster than the standard 280 can push them...
 
Ryden said:
That's what I thought.
The velocity gain is small and looking at the loading data it seems that it comes mainly from running at a higher pressure. I suppose you can get that today by simply choosing another powder and loading hot.

But I always thought it'd be cool

Nah, it's an '06 Ackley Improved!
It's a whole 'nother ball park you know.


I think accuracy tops speed, and they rarely peak at the same time
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Ive generally run slow, to super slow powders, for cartridge.
Mostly Ive found best accuracy at, or near max loading. Much lower and I think the powder burn isnt consistent enough to really get velocity spread down.
With the faster powders the low velocity spread range seems wider. But you sacrifice on the too end a bit.

Thats just my observations tho, and generally im looking for moa or less, not the real ittybitty groups.


All that said and done, its mostly academic. When i used an 06 to hunt a lot, I ran 165s over a book max charge of imr4350, which is far from the fastest load available. Never had an issue with it.
And all the animals shot with my .280AI, weres shot with Federal .280 factory fodder, and that one actually does make some real velocity gains with little work.
 
adcoch1 said:
Valid point about accuracy nodes. The AI might give you enough velocity to get to the next one for your barrel. I have heard a lot of people having that happen with the 280ai. Right at max charges and the group tightens up, just 50 or so fps faster than the standard 280 can push them...
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Having not had a regular .280 I cant provide any evidence thats true, but it sure seems like getting to around 3050 with 160s is a sweet spot.
Not just for the .280 either, My 7mags have all shot well with 160s between 3050, and 3100.
 
troy fairweather said:
I think AI is worth it, definitely when rebarreling. Just the added case life is worth it. Much less bolt trust, and the primer pockets don't loosen as quick. Guys will argue ai don't feed but never seen it.
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I keep forgetting to mention the case life and bolt thrust....that does seem to be a thing, tho THAT is also disputed at times.
 
LoonWulf said:
I keep forgetting to mention the case life and bolt thrust....that does seem to be a thing, tho THAT is also disputed at times.
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My 7x57AI definitely shows less pressure at the primer then the 7x57. My hot 140 load with 50 imr 4350 in the 7x57 flattens primers, 52 in the Ai winch is about the difference in case capacity, shows no pressure at all, and that's with the tight neck problem I was having. That should be fixed now after I opened the neck up.
 
I've read somewhere that you should be able to calculate the accuracy nodes.

Ignition triggers a shockwave that races up the barrel to the muzzle where it bounces back to the reciever and so on
You want the bullet to exit when that shockwave is at the other end.

Anybody understands what I'm talking about and know how it's done?
 
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