Mossberg Shockwave

[DPris]

Still a problem with the "dynamic".

I mean a handgun MOVES quicker, REACTS quicker, ADJUSTS to situations quicker, AIMS quicker, MANIPULATES quicker, RELOADS quicker.
It's more dynamic in the hand.

Nothing to do with its energy figures.

And I NEVER counted on the sound of a shotgun to solve any problems back when I was clearing buildings for a living.

After trying it with an 18-inch shotgun, I tried it with a 16-inch AR.
And went back to the handgun.
Much easier to work through a building with.
Denis

 

[mnrivrat]

Thanks goodness I don't have to work through any building and that includes my home. My HD is just that "defense" . I always remember a movie called the ? challenges of Tarzan. The monks asked him a question " After the journey of a 1000 miles you meet your enemy - what is the first thing you should be sure of ?" The answer was to make sure the journey was theirs . Clearing a house is what you call 911 for. HD is when you hunker down and let the bad guy come to you. Civilians don't need to clear buildings, they just need to protect themselves. Your welcome to use whatever you want to clear buildings or for HD. A handgun is certainly not a bad choice. You just seem to want to keep this going - I don't feel a need to win anything. You do whatever works best for you and I will look forward to playing with a Shockwave or Tac-14 at some point. If I find it as worthless as you do then I will stick with my handgun as well. Next chapter we will discuss the choice of a revolver vs a semi-auto handgun.

 

[DPris]

I did say buy one if you want one, just make an informed choice.
After which it wasn't me who continued it.
Denis

 

[The Evangelist Cowboy]

Thanks goodness I don't have to work through any building and that includes my home. My HD is just that "defense" . I always remember a movie called the ? challenges of Tarzan. The monks asked him a question " After the journey of a 1000 miles you meet your enemy - what is the first thing you should be sure of ?" The answer was to make sure the journey was theirs . Clearing a house is what you call 911 for. HD is when you hunker down and let the bad guy come to you. Civilians don't need to clear buildings, they just need to protect themselves. Your welcome to use whatever you want to clear buildings or for HD. A handgun is certainly not a bad choice. You just seem to want to keep this going - I don't feel a need to win anything. You do whatever works best for you and I will look forward to playing with a Shockwave or Tac-14 at some point. If I find it as worthless as you do then I will stick with my handgun as well. Next chapter we will discuss the choice of a revolver vs a semi-auto handgun.

Civilians with children, may very well be going through their house in the event of a break in, I got two little ones and I will be going through my home no ifs ands or buts.

 

[mnrivrat]

"Civilians with children, may very well be going through their house in the event of a break in, I got two little ones and I will be going through my home no ifs ands or buts."

Mine would be to get them into one safe place where I could protect them. If that is you plan - good luck . Whatever floats your boat is fine with me.

 

[Kendal Black]

At a (listed) weight of four and a quarter pounds, with a capacity of six and recoil far more manageable than the bigger bores, the .410 model might be a reasonable camp and trail gun, depending on where the camp is and where the trail goes.

 

[Sappyg2.0]

Today I had the chance to shoot a shockwave. My friend thought it was THE best thing since Neal Armstrong walking on the moon and just had to have it.

For starters we got dynamic with it on the skeet range. No bueno. Hit 1 out of 9 birds at 1 and 7. I did manage to hit both high and low 8. My Beretta is more dynamic for skeet.

Next we grabbed some Clay's and headed to an action bay. 00 bucks at 7 yards is great for tilling a berm but not easy to get accurate hits. 1 oz slugs were just as hard to hit with and the blast and recoil were much worse. We finished off with a sporting load of 1 1/8 oz 7.5 shot and the darn thing became only slightly more manageable.

The shockwave proved to be little more than a noise maker. At best I would rate it as less than ideal for anything other than a very loud ammo waster.

That shockwave is now for sale. Slightly used with exactly 78 rounds through it and original box and papers.

 

[The Evangelist Cowboy]

"Civilians with children, may very well be going through their house in the event of a break in, I got two little ones and I will be going through my home no ifs ands or buts."

Mine would be to get them into one safe place where I could protect them. If that is you plan - good luck . Whatever floats your boat is fine with me.

Of course it's to get them to one place, I would not be going through the house with the intent of staying out in the open.

 

[qwert65]

Today I had the chance to shoot a shockwave. My friend thought it was THE best thing since Neal Armstrong walking on the moon and just had to have it.

For starters we got dynamic with it on the skeet range. No bueno. Hit 1 out of 9 birds at 1 and 7. I did manage to hit both high and low 8. My Beretta is more dynamic for skeet.

Next we grabbed some Clay's and headed to an action bay. 00 bucks at 7 yards is great for tilling a berm but not easy to get accurate hits. 1 oz slugs were just as hard to hit with and the blast and recoil were much worse. We finished off with a sporting load of 1 1/8 oz 7.5 shot and the darn thing became only slightly more manageable.

The shockwave proved to be little more than a noise maker. At best I would rate it as less than ideal for anything other than a very loud ammo waster.

That shockwave is now for sale. Slightly used with exactly 78 rounds through it and original box and papers.

The shockwave does have limited uses, as a across the car/motel room for those who spend lots of time in both.
Mine patterns ok at these distances though I did tend to shoot a little high with it at first. It is a shotgun that in a suburban, Escalade, etc. you could keep behind the seat and get in action if for some reason you couldn’t drive away ( note this is only quick if the threat is coming from the passenger side)
The other use is that it fits in a regular suitcase/ gym bag for carrying into hotels.
That said it will never replace my ccw pistol entirely but it gives you more firepower if the need arises/ I would never use it for home defense I use a stocked mossberg for that.

 

[The Evangelist Cowboy]

The shockwave does have limited uses, as a across the car/motel room for those who spend lots of time in both.
Mine patterns ok at these distances though I did tend to shoot a little high with it at first. It is a shotgun that in a suburban, Escalade, etc. you could keep behind the seat and get in action if for some reason you couldn’t drive away ( note this is only quick if the threat is coming from the passenger side)
The other use is that it fits in a regular suitcase/ gym bag for carrying into hotels.
That said it will never replace my ccw pistol entirely but it gives you more firepower if the need arises/ I would never use it for home defense I use a stocked mossberg for that.

For that same purpose you can get into AR or AK pistols that will deal out more firepower than the shotgun and more controllably too. I love shotguns more than rifles especially for defense but the shockwave doesn't convince me of changing truck guns or wanting to get one , what it does do however is question even more the stupidity of the ATF when I can buy a brace for a shockwave essentially duplicating an sbs without the paperwork. Just let us have that already...

 

[Skgreen]

I must admit, a smile came across my face when reading post 157,,,
Never in my twisted little mind would I ever expect to see a Shockwave out on a Skeet range,,,
And if I did happen to see one out there, I would certainly consider it a "Hold my beer and watch THIS!' kind of affair,,,

 

[Dibbs]

Because everything is subjective. I find maneuvering with a PGO compared to my standard 870 much easier in confined areas such as hallways. With a vertical foregrip you can easily and accurately use iron sights. If a user practices as much with a PGO as they do with a regular shotgun they would likely see the benefits at typical indoor ranges. It seems easier to poo poo the idea than it does to learn something new.

Rhetorical question- Have you ever fired a shotgun inside a small building? Even with earplugs, it's a wake-up call.

That said, maybe I'm the Big Pussy of the bunch, here, but in 12 gauge, my coach gun is as short and light as I can handle.

 

[Kendal Black]

I'm still thinking the little .410 might be a great pick for a "woods bum" gun.

I have not yet shot the Shockwaves. I have examined all three sizes, the 12, 20 and .410. They are everything the other Mossberg pumps are, in abbreviated form. Nothing surprising to see there.

I have shot pistol grip only riot guns in 12 gauge, with eighteen-inch barrels, with birdshead grips resembling the Shockwaves' and also with more vertical pistol grips. Although it is by no means comfortable, I have shot them holding them up at eye level to look at the bead. Some people have done that and whacked themselves in the face, but I avoided it.

Eye-level aiming would be no problem with the .410, which as I said I am currently thinking about as possibly a very good a camp and trail gun. The usefulness of a pistol gripped .410 with the uncontroversial 18" barrel is, though, about the same in that application. The difference is a matter only of some inches and ounces, but I suppose backpackers might argue that every bit of reduction counts.

I do prefer the long birdshead grip configuration to a more vertical pistol grip, for it seems to jolt the firing hand less when the gun recoils.

As a defense gun, the .410 Shockwave does not appear an altogether unreasonable choice, offering performance better than .410 revolvers. Okay, maybe that is not saying a lot.

 

[Sappyg2.0]

I must admit, a smile came across my face when reading post 157,,,
Never in my twisted little mind would I ever expect to see a Shockwave out on a Skeet range,,,
And if I did happen to see one out there, I would certainly consider it a "Hold my beer and watch THIS!' kind of affair,,,

You know... it was just one of those things we had to try. We were there, the shockwave was there... and we had the range to ourselves.

The very 1st round out of that gun was a high 1. Everything went down hill after that.

 

[qwert65]

Is it legal to put an arm brace on the shockwave? Anyone know of any ATF rulings on this?

 

[Skgreen]

You know... it was just one of those things we had to try. We were there, the shockwave was there... and we had the range to ourselves

Completely understandable, and we've all done crazier things than that for fun,,,,,,,,,

Still,,,,,,, If I had walked/driven by, and seen y'all,,,, Eh,,,,,, I'm sure "There's something seriously wrong with them fella's!" would have been my first thought!!!

 

[mnrivrat]

While some chuckled I just shook my head.

"That shockwave is now for sale."

Well since it is only good for a noise maker, I will give you $10 for that worthless skeet gun.

 

[Sappyg2.0]

Make it a hunsky and I'll ask the owner. If were mine I would take you up on the offer.

 

[mnrivrat]

A hundred for me would not be a problem - go ahead and ask.

 

[Sappyg2.0]

Did. The shockwave has been sold fortunately. It went a guy that owns a tire repair shop. He plans to use it as a car jack.

He thinks PGOs work better as a jack but wants to try skeet sometime.

 

[mnrivrat]

Good usage I'm sure. I was going to give it to my Grandma to take care of those pesky skeeters at the home. Since it was a used skeet gun. I thought the other old folk would get a hoot out of it since they are usually bored.
It was worth a try - thanks for asking !

 

[sota]

Having both the 12ga and 20ga versions of the shockwave (haven't picked up a .410 yet, but it's on the future buy list) I can say I like it and am getting a handle on its utilities.
In terms of a self-defense weapon, I can see it being highly useful for people who would have problems controlling a full sized shotgun or manipulating a pistol.
Regarding clays/skeet, inside of a box of shells was getting 3 out of 5 clays consistently, which I consider to be pretty decent. You have to get on the clay really quickly though. I struggled a bit with the 12 o'clock hold it seemed to prefer, but that could just be the way i'm holding it; next outing I'll work on not raising the bird head grip so high and see if I can get it to work with a consistent cover or 6 o'clock hold. I'm also considering either having mine threaded for chokes, or getting another barrel and having it threaded. I've seen reports elsewhere that even just an improved choke does wonders for clay targeting, and depending pattern tests, might be better in a defensive role.
Shooting from the hip, I was able, within a single tube mag load, get a good "bead" on how it points from that position, and found it to be very controllable. I have a stash of old political signs that will get used to do some pattern testing in the near future hopefully.
The 20ga doesn't subjectively feel like it shoots any softer, and I think that's down to the fact it's a lighter firearm than the 12ga; they definitely shaved the barrel on the 20ga in compared to the cut down 590 bull barrel style used in the 12ga.
I know of a couple people who now carry a shockwave as a "deep woods" gun in a ruck sack, instead of their preferred "hand cannon", to provide defense in case of large predators. Most will still carry a handgun, but have downsized to something smaller and lighter.

Overall in my opinion, it has utility and a possible place an overall firearm collection/package.

 

[tm255]

The 20ga doesn't subjectively feel like it shoots any softer, and I think that's down to the fact it's a lighter firearm than the 12ga; they definitely shaved the barrel on the 20ga in compared to the cut down 590 bull barrel style used in the 12ga.

Without significantly less recoil, I don't see any reason to go with the 20ga. Do you agree?

 

[Sappyg2.0]

Without significantly less recoil, I don't see any reason to go with the 20ga

I think the 20 would be my pick if only because of its lighter weight. The 410 is interesting. I'd like to try one. Thing is, does it have enough umph at the business end? IDK.... How much more energy and pattern could it offer above one of those 410 revolvers?

What we need is a hickock45 video on the 410. Preferably side by side with a 410 revolver.

 

[nipprdog]

The 20ga doesn't subjectively feel like it shoots any softer,

I shot a 12ga a couple months ago, but only from the hip. Wasn't about to put in front of my face. Took my 20ga out today for the first time. Put 35 rds of birdshot, 15rds of buckshot through it. No problem putting it in front of my face and aiming it.