Double Naught Spy
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It is NOT illegal to carry into a hospital in Texas UNLESS it is properly 30.06 posted.
It was de facto illegal years ago, but that law has been changed.
My doctors office now has posted a "no firearms allowed" sign at the building entranc
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It is NOT illegal to carry into a hospital in Texas UNLESS it is properly 30.06 posted.
It was de facto illegal years ago, but that law has been changed.
Hurryin' Hoosier
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I always make sure my proctologist knows that I'm armed. 
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If doctor/owner/receptionist seems like they may be gun-friendly;
-Ask why they felt the need to post, and if it was thrust upon them by insurance/corporate/ordinance/etc., as for specifics regarding these (and alternately for the person in charge if your contact cannot answer). Follow up the chain to determine who/what actually made the decision, and then lobby or report on that.
If doctor/owner/receptionist is likely anti-gun or ambivalent (most likely case);
-Thank them (slight retch
) for being so conscientious, and ask who the person taking such 'proactive' measures is, so you can thank them, as well. Follow the chain to determine who/what actually made the decision, then report on that.
Back to our end of the discussion, let's try to lay out who our culprits could be;
-An office-level worker (a nurse takes it upon herself to post a cheap/free NO GUNS sign in the front window at a small concern)
-The owner made the call (for personal/political reasons)
-Corporate offices issued an edict (likely driven by someone else or an uppity management VIP)
-Local government pressure (by legal ordinance or City Council/Mayor/etc. lobbying)
-'Charitable' foundation pressure (many hospitals have lucrative partnerships with incredibly-biased organizations that are themselves sometimes actively devoted to stamping out firearms ownership in the name of public health. Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation *spit* is a good example)
-Business pressure, from Insurance, to the janitorial service, to unions, to billing companies could lobby or stipulate that guns should be restricted from the premises as a condition of doing business. Possibly, the internal accounting folks have taken it upon themselves to become insurance risk analysts, and advocate gun-free-zone signs as a potential 'cost cutting' measure
-Legal pressure, from either internal lawsuit risk analysts, or from toothy trial lawyers baying at the front gates; both claiming that a messy shooting and messier lawsuits are 'just a matter of time' unless they put up a cardboard sign and start hassling people.
You can guess where I think the primary sources are. I fully expect no self-respecting business would divulge their reasons readily (especially if the reason comes from internal legal or accounting, making the determination proprietary classified info), but I suspect some gumshoe investigation with a friendly demeanor would narrow things down quite a bit. I recommend y'all do it yourselves, God knows your local investigative journalists will have nothing to do with it.
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-Ask why they felt the need to post, and if it was thrust upon them by insurance/corporate/ordinance/etc., as for specifics regarding these (and alternately for the person in charge if your contact cannot answer). Follow up the chain to determine who/what actually made the decision, and then lobby or report on that.
If doctor/owner/receptionist is likely anti-gun or ambivalent (most likely case);
-Thank them (slight retch
) for being so conscientious, and ask who the person taking such 'proactive' measures is, so you can thank them, as well. Follow the chain to determine who/what actually made the decision, then report on that.Back to our end of the discussion, let's try to lay out who our culprits could be;
-An office-level worker (a nurse takes it upon herself to post a cheap/free NO GUNS sign in the front window at a small concern)
-The owner made the call (for personal/political reasons)
-Corporate offices issued an edict (likely driven by someone else or an uppity management VIP)
-Local government pressure (by legal ordinance or City Council/Mayor/etc. lobbying)
-'Charitable' foundation pressure (many hospitals have lucrative partnerships with incredibly-biased organizations that are themselves sometimes actively devoted to stamping out firearms ownership in the name of public health. Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation *spit* is a good example)
-Business pressure, from Insurance, to the janitorial service, to unions, to billing companies could lobby or stipulate that guns should be restricted from the premises as a condition of doing business. Possibly, the internal accounting folks have taken it upon themselves to become insurance risk analysts, and advocate gun-free-zone signs as a potential 'cost cutting' measure
-Legal pressure, from either internal lawsuit risk analysts, or from toothy trial lawyers baying at the front gates; both claiming that a messy shooting and messier lawsuits are 'just a matter of time' unless they put up a cardboard sign and start hassling people.
You can guess where I think the primary sources are. I fully expect no self-respecting business would divulge their reasons readily (especially if the reason comes from internal legal or accounting, making the determination proprietary classified info), but I suspect some gumshoe investigation with a friendly demeanor would narrow things down quite a bit. I recommend y'all do it yourselves, God knows your local investigative journalists will have nothing to do with it.
TCB
Red Wind
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It is really ridiculous . My Doc packs, I pack and maybe half his patients pack. We even go to the same outdoor shooting range together.
Maybe it's a Florida thing. But you just have to wonder about the asinine mentality behind this protocol.
Maybe it's a Florida thing. But you just have to wonder about the asinine mentality behind this protocol.
Oldman1151
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I would lock my gun in my vehicle and make sure my Mother got proper medical attention as needed.
george burns
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If you carry concealed and you aren't going to be stripping down naked, then why bother removing your gun. I am sure that most people just go on about their business, and unless asked by someone "are you armed" would miss the sign which is small and down on the bottom of the door in my doctors office, It's as if they had to do it so they put it where you really have to look for it. I wouldn't have seen it unless I was 15 minutes early and was sitting in my car staring at the door.
Also if you were carrying there for years before, and the doctor knew, he would say something like, "joe by the way, we changed policy on guns, please leave it in the car from know on". Instead of knowingly greeting you and asking if you have bought any new guns. It's just another passing nonsense rule that will come and go. I have seen this in Florida before, about 10 years ago, stores like Winn Dixie, put those signs up, and about a year later, they came down.
Also if you were carrying there for years before, and the doctor knew, he would say something like, "joe by the way, we changed policy on guns, please leave it in the car from know on". Instead of knowingly greeting you and asking if you have bought any new guns. It's just another passing nonsense rule that will come and go. I have seen this in Florida before, about 10 years ago, stores like Winn Dixie, put those signs up, and about a year later, they came down.
Plan2Live
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Regarding South Carolina, mgmoden said
. To clarify, you can only obtain permission to carry into any facility where medical procedures are performed if you are an employee of that facility. Patients, their escorts, visitors, vendors, solicitors, etc cannot be granted permission to carry there. Sorry for hijacking a Georgia thread but I wanted to clarify.
HankB
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Laws on posting vary from state to state - in TX a valid "no guns" sign has to meet certain specific criteria spelled out in detail in section 30.06 of the penal code. (note the section number!) If the sign doesn't meet the specific requirements for wording, size, etc., it's not valid, and can usually be ignored.
Of course, in TX some places are "off limits" to licensed concealed carry even without a sign - for example, the secure area of an airport, courtrooms, etc.
Other states have other rules and requirements. Before ignoring - or, for that matter, observing - a "no guns" sign on a hospital, doctor's office, or elsewhere, you have to know what the actual LAW on such signage says in YOUR state.
Of course, in TX some places are "off limits" to licensed concealed carry even without a sign - for example, the secure area of an airport, courtrooms, etc.
Other states have other rules and requirements. Before ignoring - or, for that matter, observing - a "no guns" sign on a hospital, doctor's office, or elsewhere, you have to know what the actual LAW on such signage says in YOUR state.
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I always wonder if I should leave mine at home while at the dentist since it will most likely be seen while Im laying in the chair for hour upon hour (seems like Im always getting a crown or root canal these days). It's not illegal but I dont want to freak the nurses out.
^^^
what good is your concealed carry gun doing when you are HEAVILY impaired by anesthesia during a root canal treatment and laying immobilized on a dentist chair?
Heck - if they give you laughing gas or strong painkillers/anesthesia ... I would NOT want to carry at all. Kinda like booze + guns don't mix either.
what good is your concealed carry gun doing when you are HEAVILY impaired by anesthesia during a root canal treatment and laying immobilized on a dentist chair?
Heck - if they give you laughing gas or strong painkillers/anesthesia ... I would NOT want to carry at all. Kinda like booze + guns don't mix either.
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I couldnt let that go by without an LOL! So, LOL!I always make sure my proctologist knows that I'm armed.
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Yea I see what you're saying...and I do (most definitely) opt for the gas, but they have a 30 min "cool down" with just oxygen at the end...but if I needed my pistol for some reason (slight chance I know) and I was under anesthesia, I think I'd still rather have it than not..And I dont think Im so woozy that Im gonna crank a round off into my leg if nothing's going down.
Still, I think Ive been leaving it at home the past few times. My truck doesnt lock, or its easy to pick the lock actually, so leaving it in the truck is not an option.
@potatohead
if you're at risk of physical assault which warrants the use of deadly force in the 30min you sit awake in the dentist chair.... I'd say it's time to pick a dentist in a safer part of town
I get the need/urge to carry as often as possible.... but during dental surgery and being knocked out by laughing gas might not be the best time....
generally: if they say "don't drive home - have somebody pick you up" also should be translated into "don't carry a gun - you are severely impaired under the influence of stuff"
if you're at risk of physical assault which warrants the use of deadly force in the 30min you sit awake in the dentist chair.... I'd say it's time to pick a dentist in a safer part of town
I get the need/urge to carry as often as possible.... but during dental surgery and being knocked out by laughing gas might not be the best time....
generally: if they say "don't drive home - have somebody pick you up" also should be translated into "don't carry a gun - you are severely impaired under the influence of stuff"
MedWheeler
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Not a doctor's office, but I noticed that a year ago when taking my daughter to Chuck E. Cheese's. I ignored it.
However, I took her again last month, and the sign was gone. I even looked for it.
However, I took her again last month, and the sign was gone. I even looked for it.
Deltaboy1984
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I got a picture of our state 30-06 Sign with measurements etc. That way I can catch them . 90% of them fail to meet the letter size and Spanish requirements.
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I've noticed that sign at all the medical offices I've been to recently.
Darkhorse
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My doctor's office also has a new "no weapons" sign on the door, but I know it's not his idea. He's into guns and hunting, but he's also part of a large medical group.
It's really a moot issue with me though; I always leave my gun and spare magazine in the car. They always weigh me, and I don't need another 3 pounds.
The dentist is another story. They don't weigh me and don't have a sign, so I just walk in, gun and all.
It's really a moot issue with me though; I always leave my gun and spare magazine in the car. They always weigh me, and I don't need another 3 pounds.
The dentist is another story. They don't weigh me and don't have a sign, so I just walk in, gun and all.
Berger.Fan222
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Had a new doc comment negatively. Dropped that doc quick and found a new one.
remember the guy who happened to be at the mental health clinic at Mass General a year or two back when one of the Psychiatrists was getting stabbed to death by an unhappy customer? Do you think if he asked ahead of time they would have said, "sure, feel welcome to CC in our mental health clinic!!!" As it was he heard the screams, went in the room and stopped the attack.
Double Naught Spy
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The secure area of airports is covered by FEDERAL LAW. As for courtrooms, many states do not allow carry in courtrooms.
Blue Thunder
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My DR's office does not have one and I am pleased. In the event the practice decides to post one, there are a ton of other Internists that I can go to. My next door neighbor sells Lab Testing and Consulting to most of the top practices out there and she knows all the principals.
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