New Remington R51 - 3913 killer?

[Homerboy]

wow. Very ugly. The 3913 is a much better looking gun.

 

[MrTuffPaws]

It is really funny that there are people here that think it is ugly and want to add a couple of ounces to the slide or change it so that the rear sight will catch on clothing to make it "good looking".

It is a carry gun people. You will never see it save when you de holster it to clean or store it. Even if you open carry, unless you have a goose neck, you will hardly see it.

 

[gc70]

The original R51 DOES have a trigger like a 1911. But the new R-51 has a pin right where you'd expect a hinged trigger to be. I'm hoping I'm wrong and it does in fact have that straight back pull.

Yes, it is hard to believe that any other gun could have the legendary straight-back trigger pull of a 1911.

Since I am originally from Missouri, I will also have to prove to myself that the writer who tested the R51 and described the trigger knew what he was talking about.

 

[Orion8472]

Homerboy, no problem with you [or anyone else] thinking that it "is ugly". To each their own. I happen to think it is a very nice looking [maybe even sexy] gun, . . . different enough from other guns to be quite appealing, actually.

gc70, . . . you'd think so. hehe And I HOPE so. I had my local shop order one for me. I'll know for sure one way or the other.

 

[Mitlov]

I own a Remington 1911 R1 and I'll likely be getting this for myself as a birthday present in May if there aren't serious quality or reliability issues in the first couple months. Reasons:

(1) I really want a single-action trigger in a subcompact pistol. Why wouldn't I want the same trigger feel in my conceal-carry as I have in my Browning BPS and my 1911? I've tried shooting a DAO conceal-carry gun, and unless I stop to think about it, the first shot when switching from the 1911 to the DAO subcompact hits the dirt a couple yards before the target. I want something that feels like what I'm used to if I'm in a high-pressure situation.

(2) Early reports say that it's very accurate and controllable, due to the fixed barrel and the barrel axis being so close to the hand.

(3) Proper sights on a subcompact.

(4) A price I can comfortably afford, unlike the single-action Sig pistols.

(5) I've been very impressed with the build quality and accuracy of my Remington 1911 R1, especially considering that it cost me $550. I've played with expensive 1911s and cheap 1911s, and the Remington is priced more like the cheap ones yet built more like the expensive ones.

(6) Great looks. Totally subjective, but I LOOOOOOOOOOVE how it looks.

Several other subcompacts on the market hit some of these, but this is the first that hits all of them for me.

 

[Fishbed77]

The location is not arbitrary, and the size is not completely, the curve at the front, however, is.

Note that the curve starts right at the front of the frame dustcover. Any further back, and it would expose the top lip of the dustcover. Also note that it extends back beyond the ejection port, likely serving the same purpose as a "flared" 1911 ejection port.

You may not like the look of the "swoop", (and I may not as well) but it appears to be anything but arbitrary.

And I don't think that making that portion of the slide a millimeter or so slimmer would aid all that much in holstering

Every little bit helps.

Consider the following: A Glock 19 and a Walther P99 are almost identical in most dimensional measurements (with the P99 being ever so slightly larger). However, pretty much everyone who owns both pistols knows that the P99 is easier to conceal and carry due to the more refined contours of the slide and grip.

 

[gc70]

I had my local shop order one for me. I'll know for sure one way or the other.

Me too! The gun has so many features I like that I will take the chance of being a beta tester - somebody has to do it.

 

[TennJed]

The more I read about this, the more I want it. I am rarely excited about a new gun, but I am this one

 

[nwilliams]

That R-51 has an arse that is very similar to the Vektor CP-1:

That was the first thing I thought when I saw it also.

 

[Havok7416]

I have been trying to convince my dad - with no success - that he needs a new carry gun, but everything I showed him was an immediate no-go. I sent him an article on the R51 and his reply was "This may be just what I was looking for".
I think this gun will be a huge hit and I may just end up with one myself!

 

[Orion8472]

The interest for this gun does seem to be up there. I think there will be plenty of "beta testers" for it [I'll be one]. The hard part will be waiting for it to actually arrive [stated for mid February, but who knows].

I'm sure they will have it at Shot Show next weekend.

 

[ForumSurfer]

and the useless ridges on the frame above the trigger,

That would be for your support hand, same reason people stipple plastic guns above and just forward of the trigger...or apply skateboard tape.

 

[hariph creek]

I like it. Reminds me of a PPK. Walther should have done this already.

 

[Robbins290]

I want one

 

[horsemen61]

At that price if give it a go

 

[Homerboy]

It doesn't "kill" the 3913. It is a tad smaller though. But the s&w CS9 beats it. If s&w brought that back used regular thin delrin grips rather then the fat Hogue ones they put on them and made the safety a little slimmer with the lever on one side rather then both the cs9 would kick the Remington's ass

 

[Orion8472]

I have heard a few people talking about "not wanting a single action trigger without a thumb safety, . . . but really, how much easier is it for the trigger to be pulled on this gun than. . . a glock or other type guns with only the little plastic toggle on the trigger? If the grip safety on the R-51 isn't pushed in, the trigger isn't going to move. I really don't see an issue with carrying this gun with one in the chamber. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

 

[gym]

The R1 is one of the best 1911's I have fired for a $600.00 gun. If this little gun is anything like it "trigger wise", it will be a serious contender. I have a few small carry guns, including a few Glocks, but if they can get a 1911 trigger in a small gun, that will be a winner.

 

[Janos Dracwlya]

I am intrigued. I can't wait to see one in person. My wife is also interested, as she has such a hard time finding guns that fit her hands.

 

[barnbwt]

how much easier is it for the trigger to be pulled on this gun than. . . a glock or other type guns with only the little plastic toggle on the trigger?

If the safety works as advertised, they should be as safe as that. But it should have much much more room for improvement as far as trigger feel/quality and perhaps even weight. I'm more curious how well the safety stays disengaged when dropped since that lever looks fairly large/heavy, and inside the holster when someone's belly rolls drip over it as they bend to reach for a newspaper. I'd feel fully confident in the design if I knew there was a firing pin safety set by the trigger (the trigger and grip safties would be opposite force vectors therfore drop-proof). As well done as the concept, layout, and (visual) execution are, it's inconceivable these scenarios weren't extensively tested. I really do think Remington did their homework on this one

Has anyone heard who was involved with the design on this? I'm always hearing about that Bubbits guy's latest identical pistol variant (), so I'd like to know what seasoned vet or upstart punk headed the design and engineering teams over at Remington.

TCB

 

[bill larry]

I went to two gun shops here in San Antonio, and no one knew anything about these!

Makes me wonder a little about Remington's PR/Advertising guys.

I had to show the salesmen the pistol on the internet.

The purchasing manager (after I worked my way up from the salesman) at the first shop did say he'd had several inquiries about the gun already but they weren't sure when they'd be shipping.

I am very excited about this gun and can;t wait to give someone some money!

 

[RUT]

>>I went to two gun shops here in San Antonio, and no one knew anything about these!<<

And yet there are a couple of folks who have already placed their orders with their LGS. Go figure.....

 

[Torian]

This gun is not available to be shipped let alone reserved to be shipped based on the dealers I spoke to thus far.

 

[mgmorden]

I went to two gun shops here in San Antonio, and no one knew anything about these!

Makes me wonder a little about Remington's PR/Advertising guys.

In today's modern marketplace I'm guessing advertising directly to the customer base is a lot more effective than going out and trying to get it on shelves. For a lot of people a gun "store" is a place where they pickup their purchases rather than shop for them. I learned about this pistol because someone shared it on my Facebook feed.

I'm betting they know exactly what they're doing - it's just a little bit different than it would have been handled 20 years ago.

 

[Orion8472]

Before social media, it would have been hard to find information about a yet to be released item for eventual sale, but now, it seems like the customer DOES know before the store. My LGS has my "order" [not a real order until they CAN actually order it] on file. The manager knew about it, though.

I'm excited about them getting one in for me. I'm sure more will happen after Shot Show.