This afternoon had an opportunity to handle and examine a R51 Remington

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This afternoon had an opportunity to handle and examine a R51 Remington 9mm compact semiautomatic pistol. This example is new production that addressed the production and design issues of the initial release.

Its on sale. I may decide to acquire it.
 
As an owner of one I say go for it if the price is to your liking.
I think Remington finally got it right but it has a lifetime warranty should something pop up.
Once you learn the take down and reassembly (not difficult when you figure it out) you will have a nice and unusual gun.
I don't regret my purchase at all. I like this gun.
 
This example is new production that addressed the production and design issues of the initial release.
"Addressed" is a strong way of putting it. They are undoubtedly better --this is undeniable. They are still not what I would call a quality firearm, more in line with Kel Tec if not slightly worse than that. So experiences can be expected to vary greatly depending on the gun, and there are still a lot of cut corners.

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They are still not what I would call a quality firearm, more in line with Kel Tec if not slightly worse than that.

As much as I usually respect your opinions this one is way off base. I assume you own an R51 (newer model) and at one point owned (or still own) a Kel-Tec to make such a statement? Is it a high quality firearm? No, but at under $400 it's not meant to be. However, it is on par with the run of the mill 9mms that are produced by everybody these days. Kel-Tec makes a decent gun as well but to compare the R51 to a Kel-tec's quality is laughable, at best.
 
Thank you for all of the replies. At the on sale price break I'm willing to consider acquiring the R51. That said I'll think about it a couple of more days but I'll allow I'm leaning to acquiring.
 
I admit to kinda liking the look of them, but I've also been looking at the fairly well proven/reviewed Ruger LC9s. If you have any experience with that firearm, how would you rate the R51 compared to it?
 
I assume you own an R51 (newer model) and at one point owned (or still own) a Kel-Tec to make such a statement? Is it a high quality firearm? No, but at under $400 it's not meant to be. However, it is on par with the run of the mill 9mms that are produced by everybody these days. Kel-Tec makes a decent gun as well but to compare the R51 to a Kel-tec's quality is laughable, at best.
I've an original R51, and have examined not one, not two, but three new versions. The 1.0's were sub-Ivhesk Soviet quality; it's a miracle mine runs at all, frankly, and the corporation should have been far more embarrassed than they were. The new ones have few(er) crude tool marks, the bolt in particular is much nicer, but there's still lot of rough edges internally, parts that don't fit great, cheap design/fabrication choices, that simply aren't seen anywhere but the very bottom-end price bracket (which as you said, the R51 is very close to occupying; whether it is a good deal or not has nothing to do with whether it is a quality firearm or not). Dirty grease, but not gobs of dirty grease with metal shavings. Peening on the cam surfaces instead of galling/gouging. Trigger is only unacceptably wobbly instead of laughably loose. Mags now feel merely cheap instead of flimsy. The exterior smoothing/dehorning is fairly nice for a gun of this (or any) price, though the Remington bead blast finish isn't my fav. In short, the primary things the R51 has going for it are novelty & lack of competition at an unimposing price point; that's a very short-lived game in gun marketing, and Remington needs to do much better --like with their 1911s-- if they want to keep selling these.

At $400 you should have tempered expectations, at $350 (what I gather they are generally going for now) you should have modest expectations, at $300 (which I've heard of people getting on sale) you should have few expectations.
 
I'm actually with Barnbwt on some of this. The R51 is inexpensive but shows it in several ways, particularly the poor fit of parts and subsequent wear, horrible plastic trigger, and difficult reassembly (which gets easier but requires a learning curve). And yes,I own a pair of Keltecs which are yet more cheaply made but better in other ways. All that being said, with careful ammo selection, the R51 accuracy is pretty good...mine is best with AE 115 grain FMJ. Go figure.
 
Seems like Gen2 reviews are definitely better than Gen1 reviews.

However, anyone experience issues with "dead trigger" mentioned after 1:30 mark? How about nose diving issues with HP ammunition at 6:50/8:10 marks? Video mentions differences in the magazine follower but still experienced nose diving issue starting at 11:10 mark with the new magazine/follower.

 
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The Video is extremely informative. It gives one pause think and rethink acquiring. The take down maybe nettlesome. Dealer I examined the R51 at also has an indoor range and they have a R51 as a rental. I believe I'll take advantage of the rental for preliminary testing. Thank You bds for posting the video!
 
I have a R 51 with about six hundred rounds through it, the only difficulties were Win steel case ammo. The pistol is well made, points well and is relatively accurate and very low recoil. I like it a lot but never have had intentions of using it as a carry pistol as i have others that fit my needs better.
Remington will suffer a lot of negatives, mostly by those who have no intention of buying an R 51 anyway, but the pistol will eventually prove itself.
I also have an original Model 51 that is 1930's quality, it is difficult to compare the two as manufacturing methods are so different but the R 51 is a lot more fun to shoot.
I still hate reassembly.
 
I've never even seen one of these in the wild ... I look at the photos, and it looks like the trigger should be pretty good ... And, admittedly, I've bought many, many firearms over the years simply because I thought they "looked cool." The R51 does in fact look kind of cool, so if I can score one for three bills, I may just give one a try. If only because at this point I can't believe Remington would be so stupid as to foist another loser upon us ... (I could be wrong, of course, I did buy a second Kel-Tec model after the first one proved to be ridiculously unreliable).
 
I like the looks and it seems like a good option for someone in the market for a carriable 9mm. But honestly, after the debacle of the gen 1's, and a number of negative Remington stories from folks I personally know, I've lost confidence in the brand, and feel there's plenty of great options available that are proven designs. Honestly the grip looks way too small for me also, so there's that too.

None the less, I wish luck to anyone who takes the plunge.
 
I have XL hands the grip size was not a problem. As I previously stated the (#10-post)video was informative on the other hand the December 2016/January2017 G&A Handguns James Tar authored Return Of The R51. He fired 200Rds . Ammunition used Ruger ARX, Barnes TAC-XPD+P, Sig Elite FMJ, Rem Gold Saber Bonded JHP, SIG Elite JHP, Hornady Critical Duty +P and Federal HST JHP. The video apparently there is a magazine issue but in the article there was only an unexplained failure to extract Wolf Gold 147Gr in the first (10) Rds but the follow on 200Rds of the previously ammunition mix mentioned no problems.
 
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Thanks for the MAC video on the R51. Didn't really think all that much of the Gen.1 version and though performance wise the Gen.2 seems to be working better (but having problems handling JHP ammo), the whole Chinese Fire Drill thing with disassembly/reassembly is a real turn-off for me. Would instead go with a S&W Shield if I were looking for a compact single stack 9mm.
 
I've an original R51, and have examined not one, not two, but three new versions. The 1.0's were sub-Ivhesk Soviet quality; it's a miracle mine runs at all, frankly, and the corporation should have been far more embarrassed than they were.

Hey, I have some very nice pre-WWII Izhevsk rifles. OK, 1942-43 examples are pretty rough, but there was a war on. Remington doesn't have that excuse.
 
Jimbo, I too have a Shield that I enjoy very much, dumped my G 43 (and i rarely trade firearms) for personal reasons but kept my G 42. I did not buy the R 51 for a concealed carry pistol although that is apparently what it was designed for and i would be comfortable if carrying it. For concealed carry I usually rely on my sig P 938 or at least a dozen other CC pistols in the safe. Today while out making piles of empty .223 brass i also shot two Browning High Powers, an SCCY, Star BKM, Makarov, Colt 1911 and the R 51 without a malfunction in the bunch.
I have two Remington 1911's (SS & Blue), RM 380 and the R 51 none of which match another posters description and all have been totally reliable, the new age finish they use ( whatever it is) is not what past firearms have displayed but functional none the less even if not a nice blue job.
I do not have a need to discuss the R 51 further as mine works just fine and there are those who enjoy the ability to be negative over most everything.
 
My gen2 R51 does not function as well as my first generation did. It has been back to Remington and they made it least to where it will shoot a complete magazine....sometimes without failure. Before it was a single shot pistol. I also have an R1 and RM380 and could not be happier with both of them but I must admit that my patience is being tested with this second R51. Why should I have to tweak a new handgun?
 
As much as I usually respect your opinions this one is way off base. I assume you own an R51 (newer model) and at one point owned (or still own) a Kel-Tec to make such a statement? Is it a high quality firearm? No, but at under $400 it's not meant to be. However, it is on par with the run of the mill 9mms that are produced by everybody these days. Kel-Tec makes a decent gun as well but to compare the R51 to a Kel-tec's quality is laughable, at best.

How do you compare? A gun that functions (keltec) vs. one that didn't and the company took FOREVER to replace on the "lifetime warranty" (Remington).

A brand name doesn't always equal quality. Remington has been in the dumps for years now.
 
Your statement is full of contradictions.

A gun that functions (keltec) vs. one that didn't

Past tense. We are talking about the revised product.

the company took FOREVER to replace on the "lifetime warranty"

So, I guess replacing it under the "lifetime warranty" means that it didn't honor the "lifetime warranty"? I guess 2 years is forever. I'd rather wait 2 years than to have a useless paper weight forever but that's just one opinion. Yes, Remington took a PR hit by releasing a bad product before it was fully tested. They tried to make it up. Whether they are successful or not remains to be seen.

My issue was he compared the craftmanship and overall quality with Kel-Tec and even said it was below Kel-Tec's quality level. My contention was if you used both, you would see that the quality of the product was better than Kel-Tec's. Even Ruger's LCP (a copy of Kel-Tec) had better quality in production. As for the final judgement on the overall function of the R51, we need some time of actual consumer usage (and company tweaking) to state if the R51 is a failure or a success. I believe most new designs, when released, met with some tweaking from the manufacturer to get it to where it is satisfactory to the consumer. We are, after all, the beta testers of all newly designed firearms. Until we say "yay" or "nay", all the marketing in the world won't matter.

If you don't like Remington products or the R51 then that's a personal decision. My own opinion, as someone who actually owns one and shoots one, is that for a sub-$400 handgun it will serve the people who buy one well after all the nuances are worked out. The Kahr PM9 fares very well after all the initial bugs were worked out. The same with the Kimber Solo. The list goes on. If a "lifetime warranty" doesn't do it for you then I guess you should not subject yourself to the aggravation of buying one.
 
Even Ruger, with the Mk. IV, has realized that in this day and age there's no excuse for a pistol to be difficult to dis/reassemble. I'd pass on that point alone.
 
Like any new process, it is only difficult until you understand the nuances.
I can field strip it in less than 30 seconds and reassemble it in under a minute. Different? Yes. Difficult? It is until you "get it". No special tools needed or needing 3 hands. It's just a different method of disassembly.
 
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