New Remington R51 - 3913 killer?

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I'd like to buy one but I'm saving my money for a 9mm revolver.

I always wanted one, I passed up the Ruger Speed Six in 9mm and then the GP100 in 9mm and the Smiths...

I decided to not pass up a 9mm revolver anymore.
 
Any other gunmaker and it would be $600-800, so either Remington cut corners, had it made overseas, or it's a very simple design with minimal milling and hand fitting. Lets hope it's number three.

BTW, I love the looks of it.
 
Anyone else wondering if Remington sent this announcement out four months early? :D

TCB
 
MikeJackmin nailed it. His photoshop job is pretty much what I would hope the 51 would be. I like my politics Liberal, but just about everything else pretty conservative - including pistol design...

While we are asking, I would humbly request straight or angled slide serrations instead of the curved ones. But I could live with the curved ones. And I could live with the design as-is.

I am eager to see what everyone's impressions are once the 51 gets out into the field.
 
Mr Pedersen designed the original such that the setback of the breechblock was equal to the head thickness of .380 brass as produced at the time. Nothing to do with the rim. No case wall unsupported under pressure.

The higher pressure and taper of the 9mm P probably required a little thought from Remington engineers, but they ought to have known what the rules were.
 
Mr Pedersen designed the original such that the setback of the breechblock was equal to the head thickness of .380 brass as produced at the time. Nothing to do with the rim. No case wall unsupported under pressure.
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I merely used the rim as an indicator of the approximate distance the breech block moves to the rear. I never said it was the determinant. As I said, I'm not an engineer. I always presumed the distance of the setback was carefully calculated to allow the chamber pressure to drop to a safe level. I also figured people would realize this.

The higher pressure and taper of the 9mm P probably required a little thought from Remington engineers, but they ought to have known what the rules were.
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I'm sure they do. Everything I've seen so far indicates no problems with functioning. But like H&K roller delay rifles leave cases streaked with carbon because of the chamber fluting, this method of operation may have effects on brass. Time will tell.
 
I'm sure they do. Everything I've seen so far indicates no problems with functioning. But like H&K roller delay rifles leave cases streaked with carbon because of the chamber fluting, this method of operation may have effects on brass. Time will tell.
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This design "should' result in LESS affect on the brass pressure-wise. It "should" also make the combustion pressure more ---now there's a thought.
 
Lots of folks are saying this thing is ugly. I went back and looked at my glock and my Xds...yep, they're even uglier! :neener:

Seriously...a few things guarantee Remington will sell these as fast as they can put them out:

  • Comptac, galco and others received blue guns already so holsters will be off the shelf just in case you don't happen to have a holster maker right up the street.
  • Straight pull trigger, there's a reason that 1911 trigger feels wonderful.
  • MSRP of $380ish?!?!?!
  • All steel and aluminum...dehorned from the factory. Sweeet! I own polymer, but I prefer steel and aluminum.
  • Extremely low bore axis...combine that with a straight pull trigger and this could be a great shooting tiny little feller!

After the initial rush and some field testing, I will no doubt buy one. Spare me the torture tests, they don't tell me much on a gun like this. I just want to see that it's reliable and feeds hollow tips %100. I'd like to hear positive result from some folks putting lots of rounds through it and successfully surviving some IDPA BUG matches.

Hopefully by then I'll have my little wood working bench complete. Since it's not polymer, this little guy deserves a nice set of cocobolo grips or some sort of ebony colored wood.

Back to that $380ish MSRP...I paid how much for this horrendously ugly, super high bore axis xds?!?!?! :banghead: putting it in perspective, if both are reliable I could walk away with an r51 and 300+ rounds of ammo from my local gun store for the same money. I wouldn't even compare it to the lc9 I owned. That thing had a terrible feeling (but workable) trigger.

I'm pretty excited about this buck Rogers Ray gun, er, uh I mean r51. :D. Love it or hate it, it's nice to see some new American made firearm stuff hitting the market!
 
I will "take one for the team" and be a "beta tester". If I can get one with night sights, that's what I will hold out for.

I really like the looks of the pistol. That it steps away from the traditional [these days] design is a plus for me. I'm going to have a gunshop in my city order one for me.
 
That revised bottom photo is exactly what I would have wanted in styling of this gun. Just my opinion.
 
It is an interesting design and I like the features. Metal construction, single stack, 9x19, made in the USA, and less than $400. Looks like I'll be buying one. I hope to find out more about this pistol from the upcoming Shot Show reports.

Hilarious that Remington beat Glock in releasing a single stack 9mm. Seems people are disappointed by the new Glock model 42.
 
Other than the rear sight being on backwards, it looks pretty cool. Someone photo shop it by turning the rear sight around please.

Personally I am kind of tired of the long double action pocket 9s. We needed a single action pocket gun without all the crap on it. It will be interesting to see how it stacks up with all the other pocket 9s on the market.
 
As has already been stated, I think the trigger pull will make or break this for me:

Everything else about the R51 I love:

1. Rated for +p
2. Low bore axis
3. Price point
4. Ergonomics (grip safety only)
5. Perfect size for CCW
6. Single action
7. Its purdy.
 
I like the "out of the ordinary" design. It's what makes it more appealing. Who wants "just another gun that looks like most all of the other guns on the shelf"?

As for the rear sight, I think it is perfectly fine. It will pull out well, AND will allow for the pistol to be racked via a belt if you only have one hand free.

And a "ditto" on what Torian said above.
 
This is the first interesting, asthetically pleasing new handgun I've seen in over a decade.

While it will not replace my 3913, I will buy one if it proves to be as nice as it looks.

I hope it sells like hotcakes and all the gun manufacturers peddaling all that overpriced, plastic, ugly striker fired junk are paying attention. :)
 
This pistol actually does look different from a lot of the recent pistols that have been hailed as innovative ... If it points and shoots well, it may just sell well too, because it does seem to possess slick, rakishly good looks. Based on photos alone, it appears to trump the Shield, PPS, LC9 and XDs, et al, on coolness points.
 
Here it is, factory stock with only the rear sight reversed:

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That alone makes a big difference.

(Just judging from the look of things while playing this image, it appears the dovetail is not symmetrical, so you may not be able to simply reverse it. Of course that just might be an artifact of the image).
 
I have a 51 and liked the photoshopped image earlier in this thread. But by the time I finished all four pages of posts, I started liking the original.
 
Everyone always makes allowances for tiny guns having these long, abysmal triggers (either DA or 'DA-ish' striker fired) because they're only 'defensive' guns.

I don't know about anybody else, but I want my defensive gun to shoot as well as it possibly can, PARTICULARLY if it's a light, tiny, short-radiused blaster. Having a manageable trigger could be the single best thing about this gun, if they've done it right.

Larry
 
Reversing that sight detracts from the point of it. Turn it around and now it can snag and you lose the ability to rack the slide off your belt or other surface. I'm liking the form follows function idea on the design as-is.
 
Not saying I'm going to run out & buy one but this gun looks really interesting. I would definitely like to get the chance to shoot one & check it out.
 
"Reversing that sight detracts from the point of it. Turn it around and now it can snag and you lose the ability to rack the slide off your belt or other surface. I'm liking the form follows function idea on the design as-is."


I think the rear sight on the original is more a style thing than a anti snagging thing. Honestly, I have a number of pocket pistols that the rear sight sticks up farther than that. I don't think snagging is an issue.
 
Mac I think it may be both. I always wondered why anti snag sights were sloped the way they are. Conventional sloping towards the barrel seems that it's anti snag on the reholster not the draw. It typically isn't an issue, but I can see how the original r51 here has a decidedly more anti snag design with pocket carry.
 
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