New Ruger LC Carbine in .45 ACP

PapaG said:
Forgive me for saying it looks kind of "High Pointy". And, I've been big Ruger fan since I bought my first Standard Model in about 1958.
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My thoughts as well…

“Hey, let’s hire a couple kids from Hi Point and Keltec and give them some paper and pencils. See what they come up with.”

Lol

If I were smarter I’d start “Boomer Firearms Co.” and design some proper carbines. Make some money before the Boomers all die off…

Not sure where the “let’s make every firearm as tacticool-scary-looking to the sheeple as possible…” philosophy comes from?

Can’t just making a simple, handsome looking carbine?

(Hey, just earning my curmudgeon stripes).
 
Gtscotty said:
Right, a bunch of new PCCs being intro'd and they're all basic blowback, seems lazy when the market's saturated and the Stribog A3 came out with roller delay years ago at a reasonable price.
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All that stuff comes at a price. Simple and reliable are hard to beat.
 
oldfortyfiveauto said:
Thank Joe Biden for that. We are in the process of building a new home and the cost has doubled since we started and not because of improvements.
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Ruger can sell a gas operated 6.5 creedmoor small frame proprietary AR with an adjustable gas regulator for $1000, but it costs $1000 to make a basic blowback 45 acp? Come now.
 
oldfortyfiveauto said:
They are different animals. It’s all about the processes to make. Round parts are cheap.
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So are milled aluminum parts on a CNC. Which this Ruger PCC is made of. A delayed blowback system can be put in whatever shape PCC imaginable just some different design criteria.

Where the expense comes in between the two is engineering in regards to dwell time, unlocking and design of said delayed blowback. Nothing to do with the materials or shape of the firearm.

These manufacturers are pushing out blowback PCC's because they are stupid easy. Match the weight of the bolt in motion to the power level of the cartridge and have enough buffer to solve bolt bounce. Most PCC consumers don't even understand when one says blowback or roller delayed.

I guess I should be thankful at least we have CMMG, Stribog, MP5 Clones, Sig MCX manufacturerers taking it to the next level.

Count me in the group of people who see this Ruger carbine as a splash of cold water. I have enough blowback PCC's, and the one's I do have I'm in the process of changing out to a delayed system with aftermarket parts if available and can get around to it with time and money.
 
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The looks don’t put me off. In profile it appears (to me at least) more streamlined and has a less of a ‘parts is parts’ appearance that the PC9 has.

I’m surprised by the 7.1 pound empty weight. I guess it’s a bit more substantial than the pictures make it seem.

The $1K MSRP gives me pause. That price stratum opens up a whole range of options.
 
PCCs with more 'innovative' delay systems are already on the market, have been for ages. They also cost a whole lot more than a PC Carbine or an LC Carbine does. I'd bet that if they thought people would snap up PC9's with roller delayed actions for $3-4K, they'd be cranking them out as fast as they can. If anyone didn't notice, the current PC Carbine MSRP went up from $700-ish to $1K recently too.
 
TitanicTortilini said:
PCCs with more 'innovative' delay systems are already on the market, have been for ages. They also cost a whole lot more than a PC Carbine or an LC Carbine does. I'd bet that if they thought people would snap up PC9's with roller delayed actions for $3-4K, they'd be cranking them out as fast as they can. If anyone didn't notice, the current PC Carbine MSRP went up from $700-ish to $1K recently too.
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Stribogs can be found from $850-1000, roller delayed.
CMMG Banshees 9mm can be found for ~$1,200, radial delayed.

There are also options of retrofitting AR based PCC's into a delayed system:

ROLLER DELAYED SYSTEMS – Maxim Defense

maximdefense.com maximdefense.com

I know Ruger will sell a pile of them, and that's what counts for them. I just have very little interest in any more blowback PCC's.

People commenting on the weight of the Ruger, well that's a casulty of blowback operated designs. They have to have the mass in the bolt to counter the power level of the cartridge, thus inducing more recoil into the shooter making it harder to keep on target. Another problem is needing to make sure bolt bounce is avoided and the firing system doesn't allow for an out of battery detonation in a bolt bounce scenario. This has caused manufacturers/entrepreneurial gun enthusiasts to come up with "hydraulic buffers," "dead-blow buffers," etc. to counteract bolt bounce. Then there's the issues with suppressing blow back PCC's with the increased back pressure, port pop, etc.
 
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If it proves accurate, it would make a great non NFA suppressor host. Great for eliminating feral hogs under 75 yards I would think. I think Ruger hit it out of the park with this one and they should have released it before the 5.7 version IMHO. It's like a good quality Hi-Point carbine. Not knocking the Hi-Point but this is clearly better. They will sell plenty.
 
Jonah77 said:
My thoughts as well…

“Hey, let’s hire a couple kids from Hi Point and Keltec and give them some paper and pencils. See what they come up with.”

Lol

If I were smarter I’d start “Boomer Firearms Co.” and design some proper carbines. Make some money before the Boomers all die off…

Not sure where the “let’s make every firearm as tacticool-scary-looking to the sheeple as possible…” philosophy comes from?

Can’t just making a simple, handsome looking carbine?

(Hey, just earning my curmudgeon stripes).
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You have the right idea but not the nuance down pat just yet.

Practice, practice, practice...

Ruger has lost their way. :(
(see how simple it is?)
 
JDeere said:
I'm a big and fat .45 fan but but take all that tacticool stuff away and give me a 10mm and I'm in. I just recently got into 10mm after saying never for years and I am impressed with it's performance, especially on hogs and in the woods...
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I never thought I'd fall in love with any caliber other than 45. Hadn't done much research on them in fact I thought is was a dead concept since Smith and Wesson dropped the 1006 and its variants. Then 2020 came and I bought a 1911 chambered in 10mm and while still love the 45 I'm really digging the 10mm and I agree this new Pcc would be sweet in 10mm. Handy brush gun or house gun.
 
There is an expanding market for "featureless" semi-autos rifles- traditional fixed-stocked with no pistol grip, no upper handguard or barrel shroud, no flash suppressor or threaded barrel. Henry almost has it right, with just the threaded muzzle putting it on newly minted naughty lists.
 
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