Ohio: Bill to loosen regulations for concealed-handgun licenses Passes

[OH_Spartan]

Maybe it was in the thread and I missed it. Is gov kaisich expected to sign or veto?

I am estatic about reduced training hrs. With small children 12 hrs is a burden. It is hard to find a babysitter for that time plus add the cost the sitter to the cost of training.

It is a lot easier to find a sitter for 3 hrs (with travel) after taking a online course for six hrs. Thats the difference between getting a permit or not in my world.

 

[Mainsail]

Yes just like 1st A rights to free speech, how much SCHOOL is (ugly word) MANDATED? Learning, of anything, isn't through osmosis.

So you believe that one should receive training and pass a qualification to exercise their free speech? If there were such a requirement (English 101 for example) there wouldn't be a forum here for you to express such an opinion.

What sort of training would you suggest qualifies a accused person to remain silent during police questioning? If they didn't have the proper qualification card, you're OK with the police beating a confession out of them?

So you would object to my practice of Christian beliefs unless I received training, without which I would be forbidden to do so?

Again, it seems some are either ignorant about or frightened of civil liberties.

 

[rtroha]

Maybe it was in the thread and I missed it. Is gov kaisich expected to sign or veto?

He has signed every other pro-gun bill put before him so there is no reason to suspect he won't sign this one.

 

[DoubleMag]

So you believe that one should receive training and pass a qualification to exercise their free speech? If there were such a requirement (English 101 for example) there wouldn't be a forum here for you to express such an opinion.

it's not nouveau, people who do not receive basic ed (including Engerish) just don't do well in society. Exercising their 'rights' to be illiterate makes them just that. Enjoy!

What sort of training would you suggest qualifies a accused person to remain silent during police questioning? If they didn't have the proper qualification card, you're OK with the police beating a confession out of them?

huh? you went from uninformed to beating...you forgot subsequent indenturement. MANY ppl 'exercise' their 'rights' to spill the beans...instead of remaining silent. 1st ? the lawyer asks the client. Doesn't help their argument either

So you would object to my practice of Christian beliefs unless I received training, without which I would be forbidden to do so?

again, NO. (am I reading this right?)Did you read that one portion where Phillip asked the man do you understand what you're reading, the fellow replied how can I know unless some man teach me? Result:baptism.

Again, it seems some are either ignorant about or frightened of civil...I am neither but, OH yes!...I am forced to agree!!



It's twelve hours down to eight.I just read the law. I thought it was 2...it's .EIGHT(8). The supportive argument went from uneducated is ok, to police beatings and religion(???). Frankly, they degraded as they went IMHO. To be polite I'll simply concede to your future points

 

[bigfatdave]

I often wonder if such training requirements are really a "Gun Instructors' Full Employment Act." (1)

The gun instructors must have a powerful lobby. (2)

(1) Not exactly, they're more of a way to make hopolophobes feel good.

(2) Not really, but some instructors DO cling to their "this training matters" meme. Most of them DO put out good training, but the hours requirement is nonsense, passed by ignorant legislators, it has NOTHING to do with how long it takes to read through the AG handbook.

I think the most important things learned from the "training requirements" are what the laws are.

Nonsense, that can be done in the applicant's own time.

Just because training is mandated doesn't mean quality training will be provided.
The current law is vague and ineffective, mandating 12h of class with 2h range time.
It doesn't mandate a classroom course to teach (most use NRA "basic pistol" or "peronal protection in the home" ((yes, I know how silly that sounds)) as the classroom phase, with a guided read-through of the AG handbook added on and a simple test)
It doesn't define what "range instruction" means. If you have 5 lanes and 30 students in the class, or 1 lane and 50 students, the 2 hour requirement is still there, it has NOTHING to do with quality instruction.

 

[bigfatdave]

The last thing Ohio needs to do is lessen training requirements. There are enough uneducated gun toters in this state who don't understand their responsibilities when carrying. Ohio needs to increase training requirements.

Absolutely not. No. Wrong. Incorrect.

You assume that irresponsible people will somehow become responsible with extra training hours, this is wrong and foolish.
No amount of training will make an irresponsible fool responsible, stop wasting citizens' time with these ridiculous training requirements, the responsible ones are ALREADY responsible, the others won't be fixed by legislated classroom time.

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Look, if the required CC permit class is the only training/practice you ever do, you fail at life. All these training requirements assume that the CC class is meaningful instruction.
It isn't.
It never will be.
It can't be.

Until the training requirement is thrown out and the permit becomes optional (like AK/AZ) I will continue to campaign to abolish this silly system.
Training is good, mandatory training is almost all crap. The classroom portion should be in the public schools, and/or freely available to all citizens, funded by the permit fees or donations.

I'm NOT anti-training, I help teach a ladies' defensive pistol course for FREE* at my club, providing my time, guns, ammo, targets, etc. Training is good, but this mandatory training is unconstitutional, unenforceable, ineffective TRASH, and needs to be eliminated. Trimming it down is a good thing, HB203 (which passed the OH House OVER A YEAR AGO) slashed the training requirement to 4h. The end goal is AZ/AK model carry, with Constitutional Carry (open OR concealed) and an optional "good guy card".



*(attendance is down lately, PM me if you know any ladies in/near Ottawa county, OH that could use it)

 

[Styx]

Why? Here in TN, 8 hours training is mandatory. 4 in classroom and 4 at the range with qualification. Prices range from about $65-99.

Here in VA, except for online classes, a couple of quick gun shows classes, and LGS classes that only last a hour or two, the establishments I've seen are charging way more than $100 or greater for that much time. Then they are requiring 200 or more rounds of ammo on top of that which is an extra cost.

Personally, I do not think a set time period should be mandated period. I believe people should have the option to, just like with a driver's licence at the DMV, just take a state/federal firearm law multiple choice knowledge to test, and (similar to a behind the wheel test at the DMV to get a drivers licence), a "at the range" test to show proficiency. That's all and that's it. Would take 30 minutes or so, and cost a few dollars. If you fail the knowledge test, there should be an official state pamphlet that people can take home and study before retaking the test. If you fail the range test, people should have the option to have a friend, family member, or sign themselves up for a class to help them learn how to handle and shoot a firearm safely to prepare them to pass the range test.

Most of these mandated training hours is just an arbitrary number some antigun politician decided gun "nuts" should have anyway just to make themselves "feel" better.

 

[Midwest]

Absolutely not. No. Wrong. Incorrect.

You assume that irresponsible people will somehow become responsible with extra training hours, this is wrong and foolish.
No amount of training will make an irresponsible fool responsible, stop wasting citizens' time with these ridiculous training requirements, the responsible ones are ALREADY responsible, the others won't be fixed by legislated classroom time.


Until the training requirement is thrown out and the permit becomes optional (like AK/AZ) I will continue to campaign to abolish this silly system.
Training is good, mandatory training is almost all crap.

Training is good, but this mandatory training is unconstitutional, unenforceable, ineffective TRASH, and needs to be eliminated.

In my state of Kentucky, there is NO training required and there are no permission slips needed for open carry.

But as soon as the pistol is covered by a thin piece of cloth, then a good guy permission slip is needed ($$) and training ($$). Why? It is just a piece of cloth covering a pistol.

There are other states like Kentucky where Open Carry is allowed with a permit. I believe Ohio is one of them.
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[Styx]

But as soon as the pistol is covered by a thin piece of cloth, then a good guy permission slip is needed ($$) and training ($$). Why? It is just a piece of cloth covering a pistol.
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Because in the U.S., the consensus seems to be that conceal carry is more of public threat thus is held at a higher standard than open carry. The idea is that with open carry, the element of surprise is gone... Even if your state allows open carry, but requires training and a permission slip for concealed carry, one of the benefits to this is reciprocity with other states that wouldn't recognize your right to carry concealed in their state otherwise...

 

[Pyzon]

My interpretation of the true law says 'shall not be infringed'.

Any further requirement for any proof, of anything, is an infringement.

Are we the problem, those that choose to exercise rights in a common sense and responsible manner ?

The minute you choose to do something dumb, whether it be drink and drive, beat your wife or anyone else, or intend harm when carrying or using a firearm, your fists, a stick, or a knife, you are crossing the line and should then lose those rights. Forever.

Legislating training is not going to change or prevent stupidity.

We all need to stop bending over and submitting to unlawful restrictions on the Constitution, or someday we will not be able to stand upright.

 

[Ohio Gun Guy]

From the NRA-ILA: http://www.nraila.org/legislation/s...ses-and-sent-to-governor.aspx?s=&st=10499&ps=

Contact Governor Kasich in Support of this Comprehensive Gun Reform Bill!
Yesterday, the Ohio House of Representatives voted to concur on House Bill 234 by a 69 to 16 vote after it passed in the state Senate by a 24 to 6 vote on Tuesday. HB 234 has been sent to Governor John Kasich (R) for his consideration.

Originally, HB 234, sponsored by state Representative Cheryl Grossman (R-23), would revise state law to allow for the use of a firearm sound suppressor while hunting in the Buckeye State. Hunting with suppressed firearms provides numerous benefits to sportsmen, including the elimination of noise complaints, reduction of recoil, increased accuracy and reduction of muzzle report to hearing-safe levels.

Tuesday, some additional pro-gun measures were amended into HB 234, including allowing the purchase and sale of shotguns and rifles in non-contiguous states, reforming the concealed carry process by reducing the number of training hours required from 12 hours to 8 hours and requiring a chief law enforcement officer (CLEO) to sign off on an application to transfer an item regulated by the National Firearms Act.

The NRA thanks you for contacting your state legislators to help finally pass this comprehensive pro-gun legislation. Please now contact Governor Kasich and politely ask him to sign HB 234 into law.

Governor John Kasich
(614) 466-3555
For E-Mail: http://www.governor.ohio.gov/Contact/ContacttheGovernor.aspx

 

[rtroha]

Gov. Kasich signed the bill today. Once the bill is filed with the secretary of state, the effective date will be shown here:

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/historicaldocuments/LawsofOhio/Current.aspx

 

[rtroha]

Wrong thread.

 

[carbine85]

As an Ohio resident I approve of the changes. I think the requirement for additional training and less classroom adds a better balance overall. Years back I had to do the 12 hour BS and saw a few people that didn't know how to handle a gun. The range time was minimal at best. Taking the reciprocity away from Mike Dewine is a good thing. He's not exactly as gun friendly as some thinks he is.

 

[Wreck-n-Crew]

There are other states like Kentucky where Open Carry is allowed with a permit. I believe Ohio is one of them.

You mean "without" I think and yes Ohio is the same. But it was not so easy back 30 years ago. Often in the anti-gun areas you would be stopped, gun ceased, arrested or threatened arrest for inducing panic, and you hardly got your weapon back. Released after 24 hrs with the charges dropped. Pro-gun on paper means nothing if it just sits in a law book unfortunately. Much harder for them to get away with it now thank goodness. I speak from experience when I say that I thought that the law meant nothing to someone in certain areas and it discouraged me after being stopped in my own yard from exercising my rights for many years.

 

[Midwest]

You mean "without" I think and yes Ohio is the same. But it was not so easy back 30 years ago. Often in the anti-gun areas you would be stopped, gun ceased, arrested or threatened arrest for inducing panic, and you hardly got your weapon back. Released after 24 hrs with the charges dropped. Pro-gun on paper means nothing if it just sits in a law book unfortunately. Much harder for them to get away with it now thank goodness. I speak from experience when I say that I thought that the law meant nothing to someone in certain areas and it discouraged me after being stopped in my own yard from exercising my rights for many years.

Yes I meant open carry without a permit
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[RetiredUSNChief]

Perfect....so long as they don't intend to come within 500 yards of me or mine while armed. I don't need to suffer a loss because some untrained buffoon mishandles a gun.

Awesome.

And since I don't have any idea what your training has been, you, too, can stay a third of a mile away from me as well while you're armed.

A right is a right...unless you start putting qualifications on it, in which case it becomes a privilege and not a right.

We're already dealing with enough restrictions on our various rights and freedoms as it is...we do not need to be part of the crowd which continues to demand more.

 

[Jeff H]

This bill was signed into law today.

More info in the link.
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/governor-kasich-signs-landmark-firearms-legislation-law

 

[coloradokevin]

I'm an Ohio native, and remember back when you couldn't even get a CCW permit back there. I'm glad to see that things are continuing to move in a positive direction for the Buckeye State!

Here in Colorado we also allow suppressors for hunting. I think it's a good thing, as unsuppressed gunfire does cause hearing damage. Not sure how useful that would be in Ohio, since 90% of the hunting I did when I was growing up there was with a Mossberg 500. Ohio is definitely a shotgun state! Nevertheless, deregulation is a good thing

 

[Ohio Gun Guy]

With the "NICS compliant background check for CHLs" portion, I believe this means no further NICS checks for purchase, if you have a valid CHL.

Yes?

If yes, what happens with current CHL holders?

 

[carbine85]

With the "NICS compliant background check for CHLs" portion, I believe this means no further NICS checks for purchase, if you have a valid CHL.

Yes?

If yes, what happens with current CHL holders?

No.
That's on the Federal level, not the State.

 

[enine]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grumulkin View Post
It's interesting that magazines holding many more than 31 rounds are sold openly at gun shows in Ohio with plenty of LEOs in attendance. That law isn't enforced at all.\
I've been told it only goes into effect if inserted into a gun. Possession is OK, just can't load it. Makes as much sense as most gun laws.

I live in OH but shoot in WV, the law allows for this I could shoot a higher capacity magazine on the farm in WV but wouldn't have to leave it there, I could carry it back with my to OH (unloaded).

 

[huntsman]

With the "NICS compliant background check for CHLs" portion, I believe this means no further NICS checks for purchase, if you have a valid CHL.

Yes?

If yes, what happens with current CHL holders?

That's a good question, a re-check on all current licensees or a different license for new issues? I've not seen anything about this part of the law but I have read this is thanks to the NRA so maybe they could shed some light on it.

 

[leadcounsel]

Among other things, the residency requirement is really stupid.

You can move into a new state, and be effectively disarmed for a month or three while you are waiting... As a Soldier moving around, you LOSE rights as you continually have to wait in each new state.

That was part of my impetus to get a non resident out of state permit to provide for overlap during these moves and grace periods.

I hope the rest of this complies with reciprocity of other states.

Here in WA, we recently dumped Florida from reciprocity due to a change in their CCW permit issuance laws (I think it was age 18 versus 21, but not sure).

I recall some other states dumping reciprocity due to status of marijuana convictions.

We generally need a uniform low standard national permit (which could be separate from state permits).