Police arrive after apprehension...

[Jeff White]

joab,
Thanks for the update on the Tampa case. I read something about it when it happened and had lost track of it since then.

I get very concerned when we start publically posting the same stuff the antis say that these laws do. The first reason is that it's very bad advice to hear some anti-gun hopolophobe wringing his hands over how we've just given anyone the right to shoot anyone you don't like, disagree with, stumbles into your house...the list goes on....That kind of thinking could just ruin your life forever and by extension the lives of your loved ones.

The second reason is that when we stick our chests out and post with utmost surety that if an intruder is found there at night, he'll be found there dead in the morning, we just confirm that there is something to the stereotype the antis use against us.

That's not promoting the responsible use of firearms.

Jeff

 

[evan price]

How 'bout,

Trespassers will be shot
Survivors will be arrested


That's on the fence of a local salvage yard.

How does that look when the prosecutor holds up a 11x17 full colour glossy photo of that sign on your gate to show the jury at your wrongful-death trial??

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, we the prosecution wish to show the accused's wanton disregard for life and limb, and stated public opinion of how he wishes to deal with trespassers. Having already formed this opinion, he acted on it in just the same manner he described. Thus, Murder is not only applicable, it is deserved!"

IMHO, Lethal Force should never be justified for property crimes. Even though in some states it is legal.

 

[online2mch]

More than one BG

While you're waiting for the police, couldn't there being a danger of being totally focused on the first BG, while his accomplice outside comes in and surprises you?

 

[Coronach]

While you're waiting for the police, couldn't there being a danger of being totally focused on the first BG, while his accomplice outside comes in and surprises you?

Yes. Or, from elsewhere inside.

That's why you

DO get the one you caught to face away from you, so he cannot see where you are once you move (see below), and cannot tell when you're looking at him and when you're scanning for other threats.

DO move to a new position, if possible, in order to not be where the BG last saw you, and also to achieve a good defensive position should his buddy show up.

DON'T move forward to handcuff/restrain the one you caught.

DON'T go wandering around through uncleared sections of the house.

Mike

 

[gunsmith]

my

apt is kinda small, I am not willing to let the bg get close.
I have a gun in the bathroom, living room and several in the bedroom and I start shooting as soon as I am aware there is someone in the house uninvited.
I am not warnining BG , If I am in the bedroom I will be shooting through the wall with a .308 or AP .223.

My last home invasion ended with me being stabbed, God willing there will not be a next one but if there is I open fire. No warning.

 

[Ares45]

Send the family out of the house before the police get there.

Animals travel in packs. The BG may have accomplices. No way would I send my family out into the unknown without proper precautions.

 

[Professor Gun]

I would avoid getting close enough to a BG to cuff, tie, or anything else. Distance is to your advantage.

Some time ago I read or was told by someone that a really effective way to immobilize a BG was to have him drop his pants. The dilemma here is that if he is not open to following your instructions, this isn't going to happen. Again I am not getting close enough to put hands on a BG if I can at all avoid it.

By the way, I am a second degree black belt who spars with other black belts a lot younger than me on a regular basis. I have no desire to mix it up with someone unless it is absolutely essential.

 

[Quaamik]

Follow the officers instructions once he is there. Do not secure your weapon until he is there and tells you to.

And he shouldn't even know your wife is armed until afterwards, if ever. (She is armed as well, isn't she?)

If the guy goes apeshit when the police officer tries to take him in custody, a lot will depend of where he is, where you are, where the officer is, where the gun is, exctera...... In short, too many possibilities to form a reasonable answer.

You can help things by making sure you are as far from the BG as possible without letting him get between you and your loved ones BEFORE the officer arrives. Having the BG lie on the floor, hands behind his head, just far enough from the entry door to let it open will also improve the situation. Positioning yourself so you could flee to the bedroom is also a plus. The goal of all of these is to put you in a situation where, if the BG does cause a fuss, you are out of harms way. A plus is that if the officer tells you to back away from your gun, you are retreating towards you family and a second firearm.

Have you thought of how the police are going to get in?

If you have a bedroom window facing the front of the house, it's been suggested that you can have your family throw a key on a glow stick in front of the house when the officer pulls up. Since he will have no idea what it is, your family member is going to have to yell to him to tell him that, and can also re-state that you (the homeowner) are holding the BG at gunpoint (and say where you and the BG are).

If you don't, either someone is going to let them in or they are going to be breaking down a door. Think that through BEFORE being in the situation. If the BG is between you and the entry door, and can open it from inside easily, telling him to open it and lie in the entryway might work, if done before the police arrive. Then again he might run or use the chance of fiddling with the door to draw a weapon. Something only you can decide wether to take the chance on.

 

[psyopspec]

Where I live there are only 3 officers on duty at night which requires them to be pretty spread out at times.

If you mean three particular individuals, which implies you live in a smaller community, get to know these gentlemen. Since one or all of them would be likely to respond, it would be a good idea to get their input on your hypothetical.

 

[glummer]

gunsmith said

my apt is kinda small, ... I will be shooting through the wall with a .308 or AP .223.

What do your neighbors think about that approach?

 

[glummer]

Bayonet tactics?

rmgill said

This is why bayonets on a rifle or shotgun is good. Bayonets clearly and succinctly say, stay the hell back and where you're at.

sacp81170a said

....back up the gate guard carrying a 590 with a bayonet ...

1) Would a bayonet change the wisdom of approaching to restrain the BG? If he's prone, and you place a sharp blade at/in his back, is there any likelihood he can move fast enough to turn the tables on you?

2) Where can I get a bayonet mount for a shotgun?

 

[Nickotym]

I dind't have time to read all the posts, so I will apologize in advance, but make sure you don't rule out the possibility that the BG has an accomplice who may be sticking around. While you have BG #1 proned out, holler out " I know there are more of you come on out with your hands up!" Even if you think this is the only one, this is still a good idea. This was orignially put forth by Bartholomew Roberts I think in a post on what to do if you have shot the BG and he is bleeding on your floor.

 

[rmgill]

Glummer wrote:

1) Would a bayonet change the wisdom of approaching to restrain the BG? If he's prone, and you place a sharp blade at/in his back, is there any likelihood he can move fast enough to turn the tables on you?

2) Where can I get a bayonet mount for a shotgun?

I would personally let that depend on what I was doing. My Car gun and my Home defense shotgun both have bayonets. Both are nearby and not necessarily going to get fixed. If I have time to fix bayonets and the situation warrants it, I will. Closing with the BG will also depend on the situation. If I need to move past or near him while he's sitting on the floor to make the door or access point for the cops open, I will. Preferably, I'll not have to restrain the bad guy, but the baynet makes anything I say, that much more pointed.

The main function for the bayonet is to make the firearm more useful if I happen to run out of ammo or worse have a failure. A long pointy stick beats an expensive club.

#2 involves a Military style shotgun. Be it a Mossberg 590 Marine or one of the Military Spec Remington 870s. I have a 590. Good gun, very handy. The Car gun is an M1 Carbine. That's what I pull out if I have time and I've interrupted something going down. I've done that once, had my pistol. I do NOT want to be in that situation again with out way the hell more firepower than the BGs do. Especially if there are three and one of me as was the case.