mcdonl
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Oh, thats a great area. I get up to Belfast for the Highland Games up there every year. Nice motorcycle riding too.
Police departments & the 9mm....?
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fastbolt
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Last I heard the functioning issues were resolved and new extractors installed. The single barrel failure reportedly involved a barrel which had been modified.
The M&P 9's were reauthorized after new extractors were installed and the guns were test-fired to confirm function.
I carried issued 9's, .40's & .45's until retirement. Also the same calibers in personally-owned off-duty weapons.
From what I've been able to find out in recent years, the .40 has finally overtaken the 9mm as the most commonly issued LE/Gov caliber, but I wouldn't expect the change in balance to be really noticeable for another several years.
The 9mm is still a very viable defensive caliber.
I actually prefer to carry one of my 9's over one of my .40's or .45's on most occasions when I carry a pistol instead of a J-frame.
the issue was that the M&P was designed from it's onset for the .40 chambering...so it's extractor was optimized for that round's shell casings dimensions. there is a lot more variance in extractor grove dimensions in 9mms
rm23
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The NYPD is not even close to being the oldest police force in the country.
Full Metal Jacket
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1911's have been carried by LAPD for years.
ChristopherG
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Looks like you're right; I was going on memory of some reading about the influence of Sir Bobby Peel's London force as it related to the young US; must have crossed my wires. Thank you for the correction.
fastbolt
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As it was explained to me, the apparent issue with the LASD guns was an unexpected issue with the production of the extractors used in those guns, and new extractors of the same design/spec were used to replace them. I didn't ask for specific details, though, since it seemed it had been resolved and wasn't an issue with other guns.
I've actually had occasion to discuss some M&P issues with a number of different folks at the factory, including the head engineer.
Last time I asked for an update regarding any changes or revisions of the M&P extractors (after the LASD incident had been resolved) I was told the sole extractor remains unchanged, with no engineering revisions, and the same one is still being used throughout the whole M&P line in all calibers/models of M&P pistols. (They are working on some refinement of the standard SW1911 extractor, though.
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Yes, the initial chambering was .40 S&W, followed by 9mm, .357SIG and lastly the .45 ACP (because of last minute modifications in anticipation of the stalled military testing).
S&W went through pallets of cases of various factory ammunition during testing before the pistols were released. I remember when one of the guys with whom I often speak said that it was hard to walk around the pallets of cases of .357SIG ammo in one area when deliveries of that caliber stated being received.
When the SW99 was in its early model release it was the variance of .40 loads that gave them some issues with extractor hook dimensions, not 9mm, and I'd think the company was taking this into consideration when they were first trying to determine if they could design an extractor that could be used uniformly across all calibers.
I did, on the other hand, find it interesting that the only extractor bar gauges offered to armorers as part of armorer kits during the early production of the M&P series was for the .40/.357. From what I've been told, that's not even necessarily being recommended for purchase anymore, as current production has resulted in closer tolerances which are making the extractors essentially drop-in parts in the newer slides. They still weren't making & selling armorer extractor bar gauges for either 9mm or .45 ACP M&P's last time I called and checked on it. I guess the only M&P extractor gauge I'll end up owning is the one I already have for the .40 S&W.
I've actually had occasion to discuss some M&P issues with a number of different folks at the factory, including the head engineer.
Last time I asked for an update regarding any changes or revisions of the M&P extractors (after the LASD incident had been resolved) I was told the sole extractor remains unchanged, with no engineering revisions, and the same one is still being used throughout the whole M&P line in all calibers/models of M&P pistols. (They are working on some refinement of the standard SW1911 extractor, though.
)Yes, the initial chambering was .40 S&W, followed by 9mm, .357SIG and lastly the .45 ACP (because of last minute modifications in anticipation of the stalled military testing).
S&W went through pallets of cases of various factory ammunition during testing before the pistols were released. I remember when one of the guys with whom I often speak said that it was hard to walk around the pallets of cases of .357SIG ammo in one area when deliveries of that caliber stated being received.
When the SW99 was in its early model release it was the variance of .40 loads that gave them some issues with extractor hook dimensions, not 9mm, and I'd think the company was taking this into consideration when they were first trying to determine if they could design an extractor that could be used uniformly across all calibers.
I did, on the other hand, find it interesting that the only extractor bar gauges offered to armorers as part of armorer kits during the early production of the M&P series was for the .40/.357. From what I've been told, that's not even necessarily being recommended for purchase anymore, as current production has resulted in closer tolerances which are making the extractors essentially drop-in parts in the newer slides. They still weren't making & selling armorer extractor bar gauges for either 9mm or .45 ACP M&P's last time I called and checked on it. I guess the only M&P extractor gauge I'll end up owning is the one I already have for the .40 S&W.
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danez71
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From what my rother in law can remember off the top of his head is.....
LAPD SWAT uses a special Kimber 1911 made for them called "LAPD SWAT" (go figure)
And approved for LASD is .45 by Sig HK Berreta.
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Whatever happened to the wheel gun in .357? Good old reliable.
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Department carry is the standard here. Not too many of them issue pistols since the taxpayers are too cheap to support the local LEO's.
Coeur d'Alene, Idaho and county wide, the S&W .40 is predominant.
The County Deputies are carrying H&K's. Local LEO's carry Glock's. Idaho State Patrol carry H&K's last I knew and they carry .40 mostly as well.
I have no idea what the LEO's carry if it's their personally owned pistol.
Washington State Hwy Patrol are now switching over to S&W M&P 40's. Spokane, WA the same.
Coeur d'Alene, Idaho and county wide, the S&W .40 is predominant.
The County Deputies are carrying H&K's. Local LEO's carry Glock's. Idaho State Patrol carry H&K's last I knew and they carry .40 mostly as well.
I have no idea what the LEO's carry if it's their personally owned pistol.
Washington State Hwy Patrol are now switching over to S&W M&P 40's. Spokane, WA the same.
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Washtenaw County Sheriff's Department in Michigan authorizes Glocks in 9mm, .40 and .45.
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The revolver is a much simplier gun to teach new personnel not familiar with guns and its easy to clean maintain and reliable.
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Sorry Stinger, but teaching new recruits with semi-autos is actually easier. Learning the DA trigger is difficult for most people and takes lots of practice.
And by the way I prefer wheel guns and that's what I carry. Also not a PO.
And by the way I prefer wheel guns and that's what I carry. Also not a PO.
not only is the trigger easier to teach, reloading is magnitudes easier with a semi-auto. with the same amount of training and practice, the first accurate shots from the holster are about even, but reloading is consistently faster with a mag and more rounds are loaded at each time
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Glock killed it.
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ISP Issue the Glock 22. Every cop I've seen in Idaho has a Glock.
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How do police these days carry those Glocks? Are they cocked already or do they have to rack a round into the chamber?
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Fully charged magazine, +1 in the chamber.
http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbull...l-those-do-you-carry-one-chamber-threads.html
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Somehow I just don't feel safe (even though it is a striker fire system) with it that way like cocked and locked unlike a revolver or a DAO auto where you can have one in chamber and a full clip like a Beretta 92.
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My dept issues Glock 22s and recently also the 21. Ruger and Smith .38/.357s with under a 4 inch barrel are authorized for BUG and off duty.
There still are a few agencies here in the metro "valley" area that carry 9mm. Every local city agency I can think of carries a Glock of some sort.
The local Sheriffs Dept, see "Women of Maricopa County", has a HUGE authorized carry list that the officers choose from and purchase their own.
My buddy on the SD says there is an old timer who is qualified with a single action .45 Colt.
There still are a few agencies here in the metro "valley" area that carry 9mm. Every local city agency I can think of carries a Glock of some sort.
The local Sheriffs Dept, see "Women of Maricopa County", has a HUGE authorized carry list that the officers choose from and purchase their own.
My buddy on the SD says there is an old timer who is qualified with a single action .45 Colt.
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