Proposed ammendment to the Czech Firearms Act

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As introduction: for anyone who doesn't know about Czech gun laws, here is Wikipedia article that sums them up nicely: Gun Politics in the Czech Republic. In a nutshell, the right to own and bear arms is not based in constitution, but in a "normal" law. To own, possess and carry a firearm, one needs to get a license. Licenses are shall issue, including concealed carry. There are no limitations on magazine capacity, military style rifles, number of guns, etc. (Full auto subject to hard-to-get may issue permit), all gun owners and all guns are registered. We still have comparatively low gun ownership since we were completely disarmed by Nazis and then Commies, but it has been steadily rising up. Unlike elsewhere in Europe, most common are pistols for self-defense and not hunting rifles...

The Czech Ministry of Interior has come forward with its first draft of changes to the Czech Firearms Act that come as a reaction to the Uherský Brod Shooting, that claimed lives of 8 civilians in February.

The Uherský Brod murders were most probably preventable (at least as regards through the use of legally owned firearms), since the shooter has previously committed misdemeanors and was mentally unstable, which are both reasons for revocation of gun license. However, there is no registry of misdemeanors, so the police never connected the dots (unlike with crimes, which are registered centrally), and in case of mental health issues, the police must, after having a well reasoned doubt as regards the person's mental state, (1) ask the person to undergo health evaluation, (2) wait one month for the person to bring a new health clearance, or fail to do so, (3) revoke the license and ask the person to either transfer guns to other person or surrender them, (4) in case the person fails to surrender the guns, get a warrant for house search & guns seizure.

In Uherský Brod, the police were alerted by the family that the guy went nuts. They instructed him to present new health clearance, which most probably set him off on the rampage (he committed the murders 4 days after receiving the letter from police).

The proposed changes include the following:
- while previously only foreigners from EU countries needed to prove that they were eligible to own firearms at their home country, now this will pertain also to other NATO countries foreigners (this mainly to prevent people from other EU countries from circumventing their home gun control and abusing the permissive Czech system to gain access to firearms; the license for EU/NATO foreigners remains shall issue),
- specialist doctors shall have access to the gun license owners' registry and thus shall be able to inform the police in case that the health state of the patient makes the patient unable to possess firearm according to law (the psychiatric association already attacked this proposal arguing that it will make patients reluctant to undergo treatment for fear of losing license, at the same time calls of some anti-gunners to have obligatory psychological evaluation as a pre-requisite of license were not accepted - this is actually in many European countries like Slovakia and Czech gun owners are fighting quite hard to prevent it. Under current system, a person needs to get general practitioner clearance, who may request specialist examination, but can't do so without a good reason, such as history of mental illness)
- when the application for license is filed, the police will obligatorily send a request for information to the municipal authorities. The applications are dealt with by district police and obviously they don't have any information on the person other than what is in the databases (i.e. if you don't commit crime, basically none). The license remains shall issue so it is not clear what kind of information the municipality could give, possibly only that the person is alcoholic/drug user (small amounts of drugs are legal in the country, weed is widely socially accepted), which are both reasons for denial. At the same time it is a far cry from the Slovak model where the cops ask family neighbors, coworkers, neighbors and then come up with their may issue decision based on blabber.
- as I mentioned above, now even when the police have quite clear information that the gun owner went nuts, they need to follow the process before they can get to the guns. The amendment proposes the possibility of the police to conduct immediate temporary seizure of firearms in case that they have well-founded reason to believe that the person is not fit health-wise (mentally), which includes also warrant-less access to the person's home. I personally consider this unconstitutional and expect that this part will be changed in a way that will provide for a fast track judicial warrant, providing a check&balance on the police opinion, but in essence this will most probably in one form or other be on the final bill.
- it was decided already in 2014 that a central registry of misdemeanors will be put up, the original plan was in 2017, now it will be much faster. The law doesn't change in that it takes two serious misdemeanors within three years to lose a license, however now the police will actually have a chance to really review whether a person has committed any (misdemeanors are dealt with by municipalities).

So, in conclusion, the main topic of anti-gunners - obligatory psychological testing - didn't make it even to the first draft by the Ministry of Interior. The hopes are high that it won't find a way there through the back door during the legislative process.

The main issue remains the warrant-less home search & gun seizure in case of cases of obvious nuts, as well as the question of how an obvious nuts will be determined. This will probably be subject to a lot of discussion and hopefully changed in a way that will provide judicial warrant first. In general, however, from the gun-owner's point of view, nothing should really change.

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And here is a cut through CZ 75 D, just to make the post more interesting ;)
 
You mention the higher amount of firearms owned for self-defense. May I ask self-defense from whom? Criminals, your Government, Germany or Russia?
Well, criminals are quite clear.

As regards the government or foreign governments, here is the Article 23 of the Czech Charter of fundamental rights and freedoms (which is alongside the Constitution the main part of the Constitutional Order of the Republic):

Article 23

Citizens have the right to resist anybody who would do away with the democratic order of human rights and fundamental freedoms, established by this Charter, if the actions of constitutional bodies or the effective use of legal means have been frustrated.
 
So I guess from your reply that your citizens trust your government officials. I was curious how much fear there is of Russia (Putin) stirring up unrest.

That is somewhat different in the United States. The U.S. is becoming more and more polarized with widespread mistrust in the Federal Government.
 
So I guess from your reply that your citizens trust your government officials. I was curious how much fear there is of Russia (Putin) stirring up unrest.

Oh, I thought that you meant the legal aspect of using firearm against a criminal or against tyrannic government. So that is why I answered what I did.

Practically, I think that most gun owners own the firearms for their own protection from criminals and only few think of them in the context of either own government becoming tyrannical or a foreign one invading. Although the latter is changing quite a lot lately - I know quite a few people who now got to guns as total novices mainly due to their worries connected with Russian invasion of Ukraine - and they go from no-gun straight to AR 15/vz.58 with no interest in hunting guns and very little in CCing pistol for personal protection.

As far as any possible foreign occupation comes to mind, I'd say that the idea of establishing a militia type training with army guns stored at home (Swiss way) is becoming more and more popular, even though not by mainstream parties yet. Right now the Czech gun laws are ahead of Switzerland in that CC is shall issue, but unfortunately we don't yet have the government paid full-auto assault rifles at home ;)

As regards trust into own government, I'd say that there is next to none. But it isn't to the point that anyone would expect any tyranny and be prepping for that. The checks and balances that we copied from the US constitution in 1920 and revived after getting rid of communists seem to be working as of now quite well and the recent experience with communist tyrranny makes general population quite wary of anything that would curb people's rights. Prepping for whatever may come from Russia is another matter altogether. I'd say that for many Ukraine is far away and "not our business", but everyone is looking at the Estonian (i.e. NATO's eastern) border with quite some worry, and quite a few might be readying to go defend Tallinn. Hopefully it will never come to that.
 
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Here on the other side of the pond CZ firearms are highly regarded as very good guns. Do you have access to American made firearms? (You mention AR-15). If so how are they regarded as to quality and how desirable are they to own?
American guns are quite popular here, especially 1911s and S&W revolvers. Otherwise it depends on make/model. I know Rugers are also quite popular. I've recently pointed that out in Guns of Every Day Carry Czech Republic thread. We have three local manufacturers of AR15s, so even though you can buy also American, I am not sure how well they sell here.

I personally have Kahr CM9 for pocket carry/IWB when in suit. In case you are interested, this is what the LGS where I bought Kahr has on offer: http://proarms.cz/katalog/ (makes on the left). I personally want to stick to buying guns from countries that don't oppress gun rights (I might not follow that path with a sniper rifle due to price).

My GF will be probably getting Ruger LCR (the .357 version) soon. When I was checking it last time in the LGS they told me to hurry up, since they are running out of their stock and they will be now purchasing new guns now when the dollar is quite high. Just the LCR will be some 30% more expensive compared to their current prices. I think that the high dollar will hurt sales of US guns quite a lot. And guns probably won't be the only thing that will be much less competitive price wise.
 
Here on the other side of the pond CZ firearms are highly regarded as very good guns. Do you have access to American made firearms? (You mention AR-15). If so how are they regarded as to quality and how desirable are they to own?
I have 3 CZ firearms. A carbine and two pistols. I personally feel that you can't buy a better gun for the money. In fact, they are better than many pistols costing more. I'm guessing their prices stay reasonable due to low/none advertising costs?
 
O.P.,


I reread your past post about some of the guns used in your country. It is really neat to read about another country with a strong gun culture.

Your comment on this thread is of interest where you said three companies manufacture the AR-15. Any particular reason why they are apparently so popular?
 
BSA,

I think that it is the same reason as in US. It is a good gun and proven design, but more importantly, the patent protection is over. I can imagine that this must really lower the cost quite a lot.

At the most same time Czechs are very pro-American, at least compared to the rest of the Europe, and gun folks even more so.

Here are the AR 15 companies:
LUVO:
http://www.luvo.cz/products/rifles/index.html

V-AR:http://v-ar.cz/en/products.html
Proarms:http://www.proarms-armory.com/en/index.html
 
Cool site.

If I'm doing the monetary conversion correctly the prices aren't that bad on the Colt revolvers either.

Maybe I'm doing them wrong, but I figured one of the Anacondas at $1,300 US dollars. That seems pretty reasonable.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Maybe I'm doing them wrong, but I figured one of the Anacondas at $1,300 US dollars. That seems pretty reasonable.

Well, Paul, they have four Anacondas on offer:
$ 975
$ 1.380
$3.200
$ 3.600

Cool site.

Well if you like their online catalog, how about the store itself?

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As a side note, competition between the local gun stores can sometimes be quite tough:
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This advertisement made international news. It basically says "With empty hands, you can soon find yourself kneeling | (gun store name) - the largest choice of semi-auto AKs in Christian Europe." The poor guy in the picture was beheaded by ISIS last year and the pic is from the actual beheading footage. The advertisement was actually in the second most read Czech PRINTED gun mag.

Here is their web & offer in case the advertisement caught your eye: Zelený sport (please pardon my countryman's poor English).

How do you like the shop's paper bag?

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