Raid nets almost 80,000 rounds of ammunition

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I am sure someone will post this if I don't. Make sure you read the whole thing. He brought this on himself. The arrest and raid had little to do with the quantity of ammo. He was under a restraining order and threatened people in public. Smart guy.

http://www.southbendtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070831/News01/708310318/1130/Sports01

Raid nets almost 80,000 rounds of ammunition
River Park man still being held in St. Joseph County jail.


TOM MOOR
Tribune Staff Writer

SOUTH BEND -- A man who reportedly was stockpiling thousands of rounds of ammunition in his small, two-story River Park home "believed that the world economy was going to crash and society would become violent," according to authorities.

Federal officers, searching for ammunition, removed 79,010 rounds of it from the man's South 28th Street home Wednesday afternoon, Donald Schmidt, an assistant U.S. attorney, said Thursday in a voice mail.

A federal affidavit unsealed indicates that Wednesday's search and arrest came after a months-long investigation into 38-year-old Kevin W. Rieder, a man who authorities believe is delusional and has long been stockpiling ammunition and supplies.

South Bend police and agents from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives served a federal search warrant about 2:30 p.m. Wednesday at the man's home on South 28th Street, just south of Mishawaka Avenue on the city's east side.

Authorities blocked off several streets around his neighborhood for about six hours, as dozens of neighbors crowded around to catch a glimpse of the unusual event. The South Bend Fire Department's Hazardous Materials Response Team also responded.

ATF agents arrested Rieder, who was still in the St. Joseph County Jail Thursday afternoon, police said. Rieder made an appearance in court Thursday for an unlawful transport of firearms, WSBT-TV reported. He is due back in court Tuesday.

A call to Schmidt to receive more details about the case was not returned by press deadline.

The federal affidavit indicates there was probable cause to arrest the man for receiving ammunition while he was the subject of a restraining order involving a former girlfriend.

The 16-page document also reveals that the ATF's Project Disarm Task Force has been investigating the man since mid-April, and that a mental health investigation found he was "suffering from delusions with persecutory tendencies," which led him to spend three days in Madison Center.

Several run-ins

Federal officers were first called to the home back in April after receiving a tip that Rieder was "stock piling large quantities of fuel and fertilizer." The caller was worried the material could be used to make explosive devices.

During a search of the home two days later on April 19, officers found "large quantities" of ammunition, as well as a handful of radio, car parts, batteries, plastic sheeting and flashlights, according to the affidavit. Inside Rieder's garage, officers found "several" 25-gallon drums filled with gasoline.

Rieder reportedly told officers the ammunition would be necessary to protect the items he was storing, as well as the "people I care about."

Rieder also told officers he was preparing for when the economy crashed and that he was protecting his property from the "thugs of Gary and here in South Bend."

On Aug. 10, federal officers received reports from Michigan State Police that Rieder purchased a large quantity of ammunition from the Rural King. An employee of the store told police Rieder usually bought 12-gauge, 20-gauge and .22-caliber ammunition.

Most of the ammunition was being bought from Menards and Rural King, officials say.

Two days later, Rieder reportedly told an employee of the store while buying the ammunition "the next great depression is coming." The employee said he helped Rieder load the supplies into a full-sized white pickup truck, owned by Michiana Movers Inc., the company Rieder owns.

Rieder reportedly told the employee he owned an AK-47.

A history of violence?

Rieder had been arrested on May 5, July 31 and Aug. 6 for violating the protective order prohibiting him from contact with his former girlfriend.

On Aug. 9, Rieder was asked to leave the lobby of the South Bend Police Department after become irate. He said to a civilian at the station, "You'll get yours," according to the affidavit.

A man filed a police report in Mishawaka against Rieder on Aug. 20, claiming Rieder shot out his car windows. It is unclear if charges were filed against Rieder.

The man whose windows were shot is reportedly dating Rieder's ex-girlfriend. The man told police Rieder had been harassing him and his father since Rieder found out he was dating the woman, the documents show.

Sometime in July, after "stocking up" on 50-pound bags of rice at Pampered Paws, Rieder reportedly yelled at the father, who owns the store: "You better get life insurance on your son. I'm a self-made millionaire and I'm going to have it done, and he's going to die."

Two people interviewed by officers who knew Rieder well said the man smoked marijuana. His ex-girlfriend said he had been "smoking crack cocaine since he was 15 years old," according to the documents.

Staff writer Joshua Stowe contributed to this report.

Staff writer Tom Moor:
[email protected]
(574) 235-6187
 
Okay, so it sounds like the guy had some tendencies to make veiled and not-so-veiled threats, and is portrayed as being about 15 degrees off sane, but is owning ammunition illegal under a restraining order? I realize that depending on location, firearms might have to be surrendered...but ammo?

I assume there must be more to this.
 
What was Kevin Rieder actually arrested for - the alleged shooting of the car windows?

As usual, a well written article that clearly establishes the relevant facts. <sigh>
 
The 16-page document also reveals that the ATF's Project Disarm Task Force has been investigating the man since mid-April, and that a mental health investigation found he was "suffering from delusions with persecutory tendencies," which led him to spend three days in Madison Center.

I was wondering what a mental health investigation was. Does that mean they investigated from a distance and decided he was crazy?
 
having lots of ammo isn't illegal, if it was half of the thr members would be in prison. Shooting out his cars windows is definitely not a good idea though.....but the article makes it sound like it's a crime to have a stockpile of ammo
 
As far as the stuff they listed in the article that were suspect or seized, many of us prepare in that manner.

During a search of the home two days later on April 19, officers found "large quantities" of ammunition, as well as a handful of radio, car parts, batteries, plastic sheeting and flashlights, according to the affidavit. Inside Rieder's garage, officers found "several" 25-gallon drums filled with gasoline.

Sounds like someone with a SHTF plan to me. Nothing illegal there unless he violated some city ordinance with the gasoline.

The mental health and restraining order issues were likely what got him, but the article plays it up as if he were planning to overthrow the government.
 
rbernie said:
What was Kevin Rieder actually arrested for - the alleged shooting of the car windows?




ATF agents arrested Rieder, who was still in the St. Joseph County Jail Thursday afternoon, police said. Rieder made an appearance in court Thursday for an unlawful transport of firearms, WSBT-TV reported. He is due back in court Tuesday.

... ... ...

The federal affidavit indicates there was probable cause to arrest the man for receiving ammunition while he was the subject of a restraining order involving a former girlfriend.

... ... ...

Federal officers were first called to the home back in April after receiving a tip that Rieder was "stock piling large quantities of fuel and fertilizer." The caller was worried the material could be used to make explosive devices.

Sounds to me like a legitimate (albeit really expensive) investigation. I hate like anything to see my tax dollars frittered away like this, but I'd hate even more to read about an elementary school somewhere getting blown up and all these facts come out afterward.
 
having lots of ammo isn't illegal, if it was half of the thr members would be in prison. Shooting out his cars windows is definitely not a good idea though.....but the article makes it sound like it's a crime to have a stockpile of ammo

You might want to check your local fire code to determine the number of rounds of small arms ammunition allowable within a residential structure.

Methinks the Kev-ster was a few rounds over the statutory limit.
 
The part that bugs me is the tone of the article. It's like every other article on this type of thing.

Comments like 'Stockpiling Ammo'. The media vilifies people for this. Agenda driven perhaps? Another symptom of the sheep mentality manifested here? The media thinks that people owning more than 2 or 3 firearms have an arsenal.

Personally, I don't care about the restraining order. It goes back to my old premise, and that is if a person is too dangerous to be trusted with weapons and ammo, he should be behind bars. Period. Enough of this Lautenberg type BS where having a restraining order against you or being accused of DV is enough to have your RKBA trampled. Dammit, if the man hasn't been convicted and is residing in prison, he should have access to his full set of rights.
 
This made me curious so I called the local fire department. They told me in our town there was no limit to manufactured ammo as long as it was in proper containers (not loose). Storage of smokeless powder under 20 pounds was not regulated. Black powder was limited to 1 pound without regulation, and primers are limited to 10,000. If you go beyond those limits you are required to follow department of transportation (national) requirements. He didn't know what those regs were but offered to look them up for me.

In my town the only local rule is that we have to follow those national rules if over the limitations above.
 
Good way to take care of that ammunition shortage, huh? :neener:

From what was given, the guy was a nut, and deserved some sort of punishment. I don't think seizing all of his ammo was proper, though. Also, if he had been causing problems, why was it let build up over time until they decided to raid?
 
An employee of the store told police Rieder usually bought 12-gauge, 20-gauge and .22-caliber ammunition.
Want to bet that a majority of the "almost 80,000 rounds" was .22 ammo?
 
Why is the ATF involved?

http://www.southbendtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070830/News01/70830042/0/FRONTPAGE

Investigators believe the man thought the global economy was on the verge of a collapse that would result in widespread violence, the affidavit says.

Oh yeah, he's the only person in the world who thinks like that.

The sad thing is there is no law against owning that much ammo. So the real issue was because he had a restraining order against him? Why is the ATF involved then, and why have they been investigating for months?

The ATF now investigates spats with ex-girlfriends and mental health issues?

Very VERY strange...

Here's more... can we say "overreaction"?

http://www.southbendtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070830/News01/708300329/0/FRONTPAGE
 
Anyone stockpiling large quantities of fuel and fertilizer in a city should be investigated.

Common sense. Don't deride others for lack of it if you think otherwise.

As far as the 80,000 rounds of ammo he "stockpiled", I'm sure there are members of THR who would call that "a good weekend."
 
ATF E! involvment

I'm sure the reason that the ATF was involved is for the not was well known letter E at the end of thier acronym. It stands for explosives. If it was thought that this gentleman was stockpiling items to make a large explosive device, then the locals will almost always get the ATF involved. It probably was not about the ammo. I think the only reason ammo was mentioned in the article was the usual attempt by the media to demonize self reliance, such as the SHTF preparedness. As far as I know, ammunition is included in "prohibited items" when one is either under restraining order or been convicted of domestic violence.
 
well you could look at it that way

or you could say they had a loose nut causing trouble for serveral people and they used what laws availible to them to get him off the street.:D
 
Trebor ~

A borderline-insane man who has threatened several people and who is stockpiling ammunition and firearms and gasoline against the end of the world gave permission for ATF agents to search his home, during which time they found the aforementioned ammunition and gasoline and other such supplies; later the agents found out that there was an active restraining order against that man but he'd been buying a lot of ammunition even though with the restraining order in place it was illegal for him to purchase ammunition, so they petitioned the court to issue a warrant for his arrest based upon the fact that he'd been blatantly breaking the law for quite awhile.

pax
 
I converted the PDF from scanner to text file

Basically, this is an affidavit to request for a search warren from South Bend PD (SBPD).

On April 17, 2007, TFA Battani received a telephone call from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (hereinafter "ATF) Bomb Data Center.

The ATF Bomb Data Center received an anonymous tip that Kevin W. Rieder was stock piling large quantities of fuel and fertilizer. This was of concern as these components could be used in the making of an explosive device. During the investigation, TFA Battani had occasion to review receipts from numerous area stores, such as Menards and Rural King, which listed the items purchased by Kevin W. Rieder who used both personal and business credit accounts. Of the items listed was a large quantity of ammunition.

I attach the document here.

-Pat

PS: Pax, thanks for the summary.
 

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Nothing wrong with owning a lot of ammo, in general.

But this guy apparently has a few screws lose, has threatened others, was stupid enough to open his house for a search without being shown a warrant, and violated a restraining order. I'm not too unhappy about this - unless Indiana and other states start to pass ammo storage limits for all the rest of us based on this guy's behavior.
 
Nothing wrong with owning large ammounts of ammunition. But this guys problem wasn't ammo. The ammo is just something that grabs headlines.
 
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