Raid nets almost 80,000 rounds of ammunition

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The guy seems a bit off, and seems to represent a danger to his former girl friend to put a restraining order on him. He is buying ammunition and supplies for the big SHTF event that he believes is coming. There is no mention of what actual firearms he owns other than an AK.

He also uses drugs apparently on a regular basis. Sounds like the perfect house to have a meth lab.

So anyone who is preparing for the world as we know it to end is a nut case and subject to law enforcement scrutiny. But I doubt anyone would have even noticed if is wasn't for his aggressiveness with his former girl friend who had a restraining order put on him. Lesson: Don't mess with your former girl friend (or wife, etc.) if they don't want you around or your other "tendancies" may be put under the microscope and judged by others.

I didn't know you can't buy ammunition if you are under a restraining order?
 
A drug addict with a large amount of gasoline and ammunition is a disastrous accident waiting to happen just from a fire standpoint.
A man filed a police report in Mishawaka against Rieder on Aug. 20, claiming Rieder shot out his car windows... The man whose windows were shot is reportedly dating Rieder's ex-girlfriend. The man told police Rieder had been harassing him and his father since Rieder found out he was dating the woman, the documents show.
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Sometime in July, after "stocking up" on 50-pound bags of rice at Pampered Paws, Rieder reportedly yelled at the father, who owns the store: "You better get life insurance on your son. I'm a self-made millionaire and I'm going to have it done, and he's going to die."
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He threatened a "hit" on the EX's new BF to a third party.

This guy isn't a little off, he's nucken futs!!

I'm glad they got him before we were reading about a mass shooter that started by shooting the EX, the EX's new BF, and the BF's father. Just imagine the headlines about all the people killed by his AK-47 Assault Rifle. Then we get the weeks of coverage of all that crap in his house and the spin about how it could blow up the world. The BS from McCarthy, Schumer and Brady about how the size of his magazines raised the body count. This would have been another case of "There were plenty of signs and nothing happened". "We need more effective gun laws to prevent this kind of thing!!" "It's been 5 months and we have learned nothing from VT!!"
 
The Fuel and Fertilizer scares me--you don't use that for self defense or SHTF! Big deal on the ammo. Although this guy was a little off obviously.
 
I didn't know you can't buy ammunition if you are under a restraining order?
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You can not.

18 USC 922(g): "It shall be unlawful for any person... (8) who is subject to a court order ...to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce, or possess in or affecting commerce, any firearm or ammunition; or to receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000922----000-.html

But perhaps if you made it yourself it might be okey dokey.
 
The Fuel and Fertilizer scares me--you don't use that for self defense or SHTF!
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I use fuel for my Jeep and fertilizer to grow food. I use ammo for hunting and recreation, and I keep some for home defense (haven't had to fire any defensively).

The point here is that there are situations where legitimate, legal items, in combination with other behaviors, situations and items, become a sign of criminal activity.

Walkie-talkies, guns, backpacks and a van are all perfectly legal items. But if you have four guys planning a bank robbery, and they acquire all of them and store them at the ringleader's house, they suddenly become tools of a criminal enterprise.

LE is a tricky business in a free country. And it needs to stay that way, if we are to protect our freedom. But LE officers are paid by we taxpayers to stop this guy before he blows someone up.

Bottom line? I wouldn't worry about the ammo in your garage unless there's a whole other reason why you're a criminal suspect.
 
Okay I read the whole thing --This guy was the kind of Cartoon Character Anti's Wet dream with a side of strawberry spongecake. ***** like this nimrod are the people convincing the fence setters to go anti. As responsible shooters we need a way of separating ourselves from these wacko/schmackos and making clear owning an Avtomat or M4gery doesn't mean you are planning on going all schizoid on the neighborhood.
 
Well, the neighbors know you hunt and compete in shooting matches, the vast majority, even in wacked-out California, don't think it's that big of a deal that you have a bunch of firearms and ammo. Some people might want to make sure there aren't loaded guns lying around when their kids come over. Can't blame them, really, for being responsible parents.

(In case of the child thing, I laugh and respond, "Of course I keep things locked up!" I want to send the message that responsibility around their kids is something I wouldn't even consider shirking. That helps promote the idea -- correctly I think -- that the vast majority of gun owners are responsible and safe as a rule and a habit.)

On the other hand, if they know you're jacked up on speed a lot of the time, don't hunt or target shoot, cook meth, and generally act like you're insane, they might feel quite differently when you start stockpiling ammo you don't use, along with guns and the makings of homemade bombs.
 
I was talking about the basis for the warrant at the beginning of the document, which is the ownership of ammo while having a restraining order filed. Why is the ATF enforcing that part of it?
 
It sounds like his purchasing of large quantities of fertilizer and feul (potential bomb making supplie), not the ammo started the investegation.
 
The affidavit, shown in the other thread, shows some very disturbing behavior by the defendant. You may want to read that document over before jumping on his bandwagon.
 
Sounds like someone with a SHTF plan to me. Nothing illegal there unless he violated some city ordinance with the gasoline.
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In many jurisdictions that five gallon can of gas for your lawnmower you have out in your garage is illegal.
 
So did he have a few hundred bags of ammonium nitrate and several 55 gallon barrels of gasoline, or a bag of miracle grow and a 5 gallon can of gas?

I would bet everybody has some "bomb making componets" in there garage or shed.
 
Was it confirmed that he was on crack? Only mention I saw of that was a statement from his Ex-Girlfriend saying he'd smoked it since he was 15. I've seen some animosity cases between people so I don't know if I'd take that for gospel just yet
 
I thought the article did not vilify anyone for stockpiling ammunition as much as it evidently made clear that this guy is a suspected kook, and there was an awful lot of evidence to back that up. Now this may or may not be reliable evidence, but they did bring out an awful lot of what made him seem bonkers. Maybe you would like him living next to you, free to go off whenever he would want, but if he is certifiable then yes there is a law that says he can be confined. There is also a law against shooting out windshields, and against making violent threats, and stalking old girlfriends or her new boyfriend. There is also a law that says you cannot procure ammo while the subject of a restraining order. I do not necessarily like the last one, I too think Lautenberg type issues suck, but let's work at geting that stuff defeated, while at the same time calling an apparent kook an apaprent kook. Then let authorities handle him as deemed lawful and appropriate. Those who are faulting the authorities on this one, would probably be the same ones to fault authorities for a lack of action had this guy exploded and gone on a violent rampage killing scores of folks, that is my bet anyhow.

I would certainly love to see a transcript of any interviews with him, LEO type interviews, press interviews, and shrink interviews. By the way, there is another reason to possibly think him a kook - his big mouth in combination with all the alleged acts and threats. Yeah I kinow he has a right, but he also has a right to an attorney and to keep his trap shut. Which do you think would have served him better - blabbing about the end of the economy, or keeping a lid on it.

This guy sounds like a real Gun Kid type, maybe a few degrees further into the realm of fantasy SHTF self hero worship than even GK. I really would like to know more, so if anyone loacal to this comes upwith more, please email it to me.

All the best,
Glenn B
 
18 USC 922(g): "It shall be unlawful for any person... (8) who is subject to a court order ...to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce, or possess in or affecting commerce, any firearm or ammunition; or to receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce.
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Are all ammo sale covered by interstate commerce? Could someone under a restraining order buy some reloads from Joe down the road, for example? If not, how does that involve IC?
 
Some things were not said in the story or affidavid.

No firearms were taken during the search.

No fertilizer was found during the search.

No charges were filed over the car windows.

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean people are not out to get you. Also long term crack addits do not have buissness or money to purchace SHTF supplies. Crack additts only care about their next high.
 
All I read in this article were allegations and accusations. No factual evidence was presented that would lead me to believe he was mentally deranged. So he had a girl friend who got a domestic restraining order against him...BFD. Happens all the time. Judges hand these out like coupons to a new eatery. Anyone can get one by merely stating they are afraid of someone. No proof needed. Also it was his "girlfriend" who stated he had been smoking crack for years. Again an allegation by a person who may or may not have reason to obfuscate the facts.

Basically this guy could easily be perfectly sane. He may just be a real life
"adam henry" who is just tough to get along with. The report states the warrant was issued based on an anonymous tip. That is BULL**** of the first degree. This is almost certainly a prime example of a normal person who has no desire to be a "nice socially interacting subject". He will be vilified, terrified, penalized, bankrupted and imprisoned. All because he wasn't liked and was "different". This whole thing stinks.
 
Oh he may be perfectly normal as far as his mental workings go, then again maybe not. There are enough facts stated in the article to have one tend to believe he is not, if you think allegations are not factual or cannot be such, you do not understand the law regarding probable cause. Some hard facts were also given: restraining order plus ammo purchase = arrestable offense.

We may not like that, but that is the law.

All the best,
GB
 
Probably had the fertilizer to attempt to mass produce chronic in a SHTF scenario.

Lol.
 
Regardless of what that guy did legally or illegally, that article has huge undertones of anti gun propaganda, making it sound like he was some kind of crazy for stashing ammo (wonder how much of that 80,000 rds of ammo was just 550rd bricks of .22) and believed that "things may get a little hairy" in the future. Of course it had the obligatory mention of the AK-47 to scare the sheeple.

How many of you people here:

A) Are at least "mildly" prepared for some kind of "incident" in the future by setting back a little food/rations/ammo "just in case"
B) Maybe have mentioned it to someone before (outside the internet) or allowed someone to overhear it. And
C) Own some kind of firearm that could be deemed "scurry" by the sheeple and have more than 500 rds of ammunition (which apparently dictates being in possession of a "stash" or "horde" nowadays)?

Could things be spun against you some day, given the wrong circumstances, due to the media foaming at the mouth about guns?

I have a "modest" amount of ammo by many standards and a fledgling collection of firearms (I am federally licensed collector) and I have heard MUCH less be referred to as an "arsenal" by the media on many occasions.

Just keep that in mind. Not condoning what this guy did or didn't do, but the article is a classic example of "painting the gun nut" next door.

I wish that *I* had 50 gallons of fuel "just in case", lots of extra ammo (maybe not 80,000 rds, but enough to negate any rise in ammo prices to still have a hobby), some food stashed, a variety of guns in the collections, etc. Sounds like damn fine preps to me.

Just saying the media can really twist things around to accomplish some agenda they have. No really hard facts to back up any of the "claims" against the guy. As said earlier, restraining orders are handed out like candy.

For all I know, the guy IS guilty of everything stated in the article. But he just as easily could not be.
 
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