Reloading Drill Question

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The tactical reload

The tactical reload and the reload with retention are very controversial to some people and I'm not sure why. It is the topic of frequent conversation on various Internet forums devoted to the defensive application of firearms.

I think some people don't understand it's intended application. I also think that some people have very fixed ideas about what form confrontation will take. I think being rigid in predicting the dynamics of confrontation is counter-productive. While it is statistically likely that the problem may be solved with one magazine or cylinder full of ammunition, it is hazardous to presume that all situations will be resolved so quickly. Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch has a saying something like: "Your gunfight will not be what you expect it to be. It will be something else".

Private citizens with a CCW permit acting in self defense and cops working patrol often have confrontational situations that are somewhat similar in that they are sudden & unexpected. Members of a police SWAT team or soldiers engaged in military operations in urban terrain usually face different dynamics of confrontation.

Confrontations that private citizens or LEOs on patrol encounter are often sudden, close, dark and fast. If there is an exchange of fire, both sides are probably moving. After the initial volley, the survivors retreat to cover or run away. The trained survivors will reload their weapons. They may just reload or they may perform a tactical reload or reload with retention, depending upon the circumstances, their training and their evaluation of the threat.

Often times the incident ends right there and one cylinder full or magazine full was enough. But it may not be.

A tactical reload or reload with retention allows you continue on with a fully loaded weapon. With an auto pistol, it allows you to retain unexpended ammo in that magazine for future use if required. With a revolver it allows you to face continued danger with a fully charged cylinder without tossing live rounds on the ground where they will be lost & unavailable if needed.

A tac reload is a secondary technique appropriate to a limited & specific set of circumstances that are somewhat uncommon but still quite possible.

I have big hands & long fingers. I can do a tac load with thick double column magazines. Still, if my hands are cold, if I'm wearing gloves, or I'm running an AR-15, I find the reload with retention to work the best for me.

Shooters with smaller hands & thick magazine may find the reload with retention to be their preferred technique.

In an IDPA or IPSC match, we can usually look at a pre-published course of fire and evaluate it and figure out where best to do reloads. Real life doesn't have course descriptions and you don't know when it's over or how many rounds may be required . . .

In a military situation, if you're dropping your rifle mags all over without retaining them, you may soon run out without possibility of timely resupply. I believe that was an issue with the Rangers in Somalia involved in the book (and movie) "Black Hawk Down".

So in summary, a tactical reload or reload with retention is a secondary technique applicable in certain specific situations.
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No, I still say counting is critical. But I agree you won't count in a fight. UNLESS you always count in practice. I was made to count from the beginning. Been counting rounds in cylinder or magazine for 50+ years.
 
No, I still say counting is critical. But I agree you won't count in a fight. UNLESS you always count in practice. I was made to count from the beginning. Been counting rounds in cylinder or magazine for 50+ years.
And as a result, I bet you shoot slower than you would otherwise.
 
The tactical reload and the reload with retention are very controversial to some people and I'm not sure why. It is the topic of frequent conversation on various Internet forums devoted to the defensive application of firearms.

I think some people don't understand it's intended application. I also think that some people have very fixed ideas about what form confrontation will take. I think being rigid in predicting the dynamics of confrontation is counter-productive. While it is statistically likely that the problem may be solved with one magazine or cylinder full of ammunition, it is hazardous to presume that all situations will be resolved so quickly. Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch has a saying something like: "Your gunfight will not be what you expect it to be. It will be something else".

Private citizens with a CCW permit acting in self defense and cops working patrol often have confrontational situations that are somewhat similar in that they are sudden & unexpected. Members of a police SWAT team or soldiers engaged in military operations in urban terrain usually face different dynamics of confrontation.

Confrontations that private citizens or LEOs on patrol encounter are often sudden, close, dark and fast. If there is an exchange of fire, both sides are probably moving. After the initial volley, the survivors retreat to cover or run away. The trained survivors will reload their weapons. They may just reload or they may perform a tactical reload or reload with retention, depending upon the circumstances, their training and their evaluation of the threat.

Often times the incident ends right there and one cylinder full or magazine full was enough. But it may not be.

A tactical reload or reload with retention allows you continue on with a fully loaded weapon. With an auto pistol, it allows you to retain unexpended ammo in that magazine for future use if required. With a revolver it allows you to face continued danger with a fully charged cylinder without tossing live rounds on the ground where they will be lost & unavailable if needed.

A tac reload is a secondary technique appropriate to a limited & specific set of circumstances that are somewhat uncommon but still quite possible.

I have big hands & long fingers. I can do a tac load with thick double column magazines. Still, if my hands are cold, if I'm wearing gloves, or I'm running an AR-15, I find the reload with retention to work the best for me.

Shooters with smaller hands & thick magazine may find the reload with retention to be their preferred technique.

In an IDPA or IPSC match, we can usually look at a pre-published course of fire and evaluate it and figure out where best to do reloads. Real life doesn't have course descriptions and you don't know when it's over or how many rounds may be required . . .

In a military situation, if you're dropping your rifle mags all over without retaining them, you may soon run out without possibility of timely resupply. I believe that was an issue with the Rangers in Somalia involved in the book (and movie) "Black Hawk Down".

So in summary, a tactical reload or reload with retention is a secondary technique applicable in certain specific situations.
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First of all, it's been made clear we are NOT discussing military tactics.

I don't have large hands, but can quickly perform a tactical reload even with a Glock 21. But I don't care how fast your Tac-Load is, it's slower than a speed reload.

A "reload with retention" is worthless outside your living room. It leaves the gun out of the fight the longest, which defeats the purpose.
 
9mmepiphany said:
An over hand racking of the slide should be a technique which is resistant to slippery hands, with an injured hand, you should be racking the slide with the rear sight on another surface
What kind of surface is ideal? Seems like doing it on a hard surface (say, idk, a street curb) could lead to slipping (and therefore, an incomplete rack), or breaking the rear sight off? What about a softer surface, like one's knee/thigh or something?
 
Also tops of gunbelts, edges of pockets, shoe heels and various other wardrobe features that will differ from person to person. Experiment with an EMPTY pistol and see what works for you...
 
Not all sights lend themselves to racking the slide.

Years ago, sharp rear sights were very useful in slide racking drills, (not that they were practiced that way then) but cut up hands during malfunction clearances.

So sight makers, notably Novak, made wedge shape rear sights. Hand injury was virtually eliminated, but the angle needed to catch a belt edge was lost, so now many "tactical" sights have a shelf or notch added, but now the risk of finger/hand lacerations is increased.

Wedge shape: won't lacerate hand or fingers when quickly clearing a jam.

BUT

won't catch a belt edge when one hand is taken out of the fight, you fired all your onboard ammo, your slide is forward on an empty chamber (if locked open, use the slide release) and you still have an active deadly threat to deal with.

Notch or ledge rear sight: almost guaranteed to lacerate the hand during a fast malfunction clearance

BUT

WILL catch a belt edge when one hand is taken out of the fight, you fired all your onboard ammo, your slide is forward on an empty chamber (if locked open, use the slide release) and you still have an active deadly threat to deal with.

Which is more likely to happen?
 
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I was taught the heel of your boot/shoe (often from one knee), belt, or kydex holster.

Behind your knee would seem to be more universal given the various types of rear sights mentioned above...never actually worked that one myself though.

Ejection port is an interesting one. I'll have to try that.
 
The ejection port works better left handed.

Not all ejection ports, like rear sights, lend themselves to slide manipulation.
 
Ned Christensen came up with this design for my duty SIG 220

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Snag free from the back, just enough angle on the front to let the hand slide up/off, and yet a flat enough surface to catch on a holster, belt, or heel. I have done both the behind the knee and between the knees rack...the later as the last part of a one handed reload with the slide held between the knees as the magazine is inserted
 
From David E: "But I don't care how fast your Tac-Load is, it's slower than a speed reload."

Sure it is. A tac load or reload with retention is in my opinion a secondary technique, probably worth knowing but there are many other skills that are more significant.

Even IDPA shooting has recently de-emphasized the tac load/reload with retention except in standard exercises like the classifier.
 
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