Rudy Says Gun Control Helped Reduce NYC Crime...

[xd9fan]

SACRAMENTO -- Rudy Giuliani addressed a potentially troublesome issue with conservative voters, saying his policies as mayor to get handguns off the street helped reduce crime in New York.

"I used gun control as mayor," he said at a news conference Saturday during a swing through California. But "I understand the Second Amendment. I understand the right to bear arms."

He said what he did as mayor would have no effect on hunting.

Addressing another potential trouble spot with conservatives, Giuliani spoke in favor of a border fence, saying, "You have to have secure borders, you have to have a fence, and the fence I think has to be a highly technological one."

The nation needs to know, he said, who is coming into the country and why. But he provided scant details on how he would deal with illegal immigrants already in the country. Citizens, he added, should be able to read and write English.

Giuliani was to make an address Monday in Silicon Valley and he was to appear Tuesday at an agricultural fair in the Central Valley.

Asked when he would make a formal announcement that he is a candidate for the Republican nomination, Giuliani said: "Well, formally announce? I don't know."

He then alluded to making an announcement in multiple locations "so we get more attention" but provided no details.

(Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)




I give you the "pro gun" Republican party. So the 2A is about Hunting....oh you get it Rudy.....

 

[DirksterG30]

"I used gun control as mayor," he said at a news conference Saturday during a swing through California. But "I understand the Second Amendment. I understand the right to bear arms."

The first sentence indicates that the second sentence is BS. :banghead:

 

[Henry Bowman]

As does this sentence:

He said what he did as mayor would have no effect on hunting.

 

[AirForceShooter]

I lived in NYC under the Dictator Rudy.
In his efforts to reduce crime he trashed the entire Bill of Rights.
I really mean TRASHED.
If 3 guys were on a corner looking out of place they got busted. If a guy had a boom box, he got busted. It went on like that under Rudy for his entire tenure as Mayor.

Rudy is worse than a RINO. He's really a Democrat.

AFS

 

[Libertylover]

Whenever a bunch of cops can sodomize a guy with a broomstick in front of witnesses IN THE STATION, you know that there is an atmosphere of corruption. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima

Do we really want a guy who feels justified <in ignoring> the Constitution and putting NYC into lockdown running the entire <> COUNTRY!?! Has America really slipped that far into tyranny that the only serious contenders for the Presidency so far have made sweeping promises to steal from you and me to pay for "social programs" to placate the masses of bleating sheep? Have we slipped so far into the bonds of slavery that the same bleating sheep do nothing when politicians promise they'll do their best to disarm them, and even applaud the effort?

I truly and sincerely hope that this country can get its stuff together, and soon, or freedom on this earth shall perish.

 

[Deanimator]

Whenever a bunch of cops can sodomize a guy with a broomstick in front of witnesses IN THE STATION, you know that there is an atmosphere of corruption. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima

Not to mention riddling a guy with bullets for trying to identify himself, and shooting a guy to death because he WOULDN'T sell the cops drugs.

Yep, I'm really looking forward to having the guy who presided over this and more, in charge of the BATFE.

With Giuliani in the White House the question won't be "More Wacos?" but "How MANY more?"

 

[Deanimator]

Rudy is worse than a RINO. He's really a Democrat.

Nah. Rudy was Il Duce and the Black community of NYC was his Ethiopia.

 

[Deanimator]

The first sentence indicates that the second sentence is BS.

Like every other hardcore anti-gunner, Giuliani is a pathological liar.

I wouldn't trust him to respect the 2nd Amendment as far as I could throw Rosie O'Donnell and a tractor trailer full of Hagendasz.

Anybody who thinks he should be trusted with the FBI and BATFE should look up the names Louima, Diallo and Dorismond.

I'm not sure who has more contempt for the Bill of Rights, Giuliani or Moqtada al Sadr...

 

[TGeorge]

Giuliani as Candidate

Giuliani, like Romney is posturing.

He KNOWS he can't win the Republican Primary without support from conservative middle America. Like Romney, he's flip-flopping.

McCain isn't much better. He supports bacjground checks at gun shows and more anti-gun legislation. He will jump throuhg hoops to please the anti-gun leftist media.

Judge candidates by their ACTIONS not their words.

The best pro-gun candidate out there - and the best representative of what political conservatism is all about - is Duncan Hunter of California. He's conservative on all the issues and solidly pro-gun. I guess Newt Gingrich is a close second. Don't know anything about Huckabee but he might be conservative and pro-gun.

The three "front runners" are the liberals choice.

REMEMBER - even George Bush II claimed he was soildly pro-gun and would only enforce the laws currently on the books. But when the assault rifle ban expired, he indicated he would sign a renewal - that constitutes a NEW law in my book. Besides he replaced Ashcroft with an avowed anti-Second Amendment Attorney General - Alberto Gonzales, and supported the Transportation Secretary' Norman Minetta's decision NOT to allow airplane pilots to be armed.

Judge candidates by what they do in office - not by what they are SAYING in the inevitable posturing as they run for office.

Duncan Hunter is the man.

 

[geekWithA.45]

Rudy can't and won't win credibility on guns.

The only way he could have done that was to have stood firmly on the side of the people's right to be armed, directly in the face of local history and sentiment.

He did not do that.

He was mayor, for the most part, during the Clinton era, when RKBA was in disarray and retreat, blinkered on the ropes. He went along with the spirit of those dark days, not realizing that it would come back to haunt him in the present.

So now, his only option is to go the John Kerry route, and try to firewall the damage off to some sort of exception for urban areas, under the cover of federalism or local control, which is tantamount to "I believe in the right of the people to be armed, except when local sentiment or pragmatics dictate otherwise."

 

[Duncan223]

I doubt Rudy will win. Especially when the pro-RKBA voters learn more about his anti-gun position, as well as the Christian/socially conservative voters learn more about his adulterous affair, and the anti-tax-n-spend conservatives look more into his history. There are other reasons as well, but overall, I have serious doubts he will win.

Of course, I would rather have Rudy in office than McCain, or Obama or Clinton. When we have a (R) majority in the House and Senate, with Rudy in the White House, he could be "re-educated".

 

[Lonestar]

What Rudy said in that article completely turned me off to him, but what other choice do we got??
Hillary, Obama???

McCain isn't much better. He supports bacjground checks at gun shows and more anti-gun legislation. He will jump through hoops to please the anti-gun leftist media.

Can anyone explain to me how "bad" McCain is for 2A??? Compared to Rudy if McCain wants people to jump thru background hoops at a gun shows but will leave everything else firearms related alone, I can live with that. I usually buy guns in stores, and not at gun shows, and if I did my record is clean. Rudy sound like he wants to ban handgun ownership across america, like it is in NYC. McCain sounds like the lesser of 2 evils.

I really want to vote Republican, but if the front runners are Anti Gun I wouldn't vote, and a liberal Democrat Gun Grabber will win anyway.

 

[Deanimator]

What Rudy said in that article completely turned me off to him, but what other choice do we got??
Hillary, Obama???

I don't care against whom he's running. He'll NEVER get my vote.

I wouldn't vote for Giuliani if he was running against an Ayman al Zawahiri/Chuck Schumer ticket.

All of the dissembling and lies from his supporters to deceive me only strengthen me in that conviction.

 

[tank mechanic]

He said what he did as mayor would have no effect on hunting

I know this is someones sig line here in THR but " The 2A is not about Hunting!"

 

[pistolman1974]

IMO Rudy is to the left of Obama. Next to Clinton.

Remeber, Rudy is waging and all out war on gun sales. which has caught the attention of the BATF.

IMO he is the worst of the three.

If the Republicans don't get their sh*t together, we might be looking at Clinton or Obama as president.

 

[Sistema1927]

Everybody take a deep breath, and remember that is still early. As has been mentioned, the "front runners" are the darlings of the MSM. We will know better after a few key primaries, but last I checked that won't happen until next year. Everything that happens now is meaningless.

 

[USAFNoDAk]

Someone should remind RG that the way the serfs were disarmed in jolly old England was that the elites said the serfs could only have guns for hunting game, yet they wouldn't allow them to hunt game because they didn't really own their own properties on which to hunt the game. The land mostly belonged to the elite, who were then the only ones allowed to keep and bear arms. It's sad that we have so many political elites who would either willfully or ignorantly lead us down the same path, in violation of the Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights contained in our own US Constitution. Rudy is "Not Da Man". I won't vote for him, and that includes for other reasons.

 

[XD_fan]

I agree with the earlier comment about it being early. Better than half the people in the running won't even be there this time next year.

 

[Deanimator]

Remeber, Rudy is waging and all out war on gun sales. which has caught the attention of the BATF.

You're confusing Giuliani with his conjoined twin Bloomberg.

 

[pistolman1974]

oops......I stand corrected.

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Please Also See

Please also see the Activism: Complain to the right people thread, as its content is relevant to this.

Get the word out publicly and loudly that abridgement of RKBA will not hunt as a platform plank.

It's a deal breaker.

 

[Lonestar]

I get the hint that Rudy is bad news, but is McCain an "OK" 2A candidate when you compare Rudy, Hillary and Obama? I know he is anti gun on some issue, but is he a full blow "Gun Grabber" like the rest?

I'll be honest with you, We need a strong republican canididate to beat whoever wins the Democratic Primary. After the mess Bush made McCain or Rudy are the Republicans with a shot of winning against a very anti Gun Hillary/Obama ticket. If it is McCain and not Rudy but another VP to be named later winning the primary, would that be better or worse than Hillary getting in?

 

[Highland Ranger]

This may finally be the election where I vote third party.

I remember the Perot debaucle and how it brought us Slick Willy, and have tried to remember that.

But if this is the best the republican's can do then its time to look elsewhere.

I don't think I have ever not voted republican in a presidential election . . . .

 

[Standing Wolf]

Like every other hardcore anti-gunner, Giuliani is a pathological liar.

Yes, and like every other anti-Second Amendment bigot, he's a statist parasite. He worships government. He believes there is no higher authority, and he himself is the one best qualified to be its captain.

Lenin, who died of syphillis, thought the same thing.

 

[Jim K]

Gun control double-speak:

"I just want to get rid of illegal guns." (I want all guns made illegal and get rid of all of them.)

"I don't want to affect hunting guns." (I have no idea what hunting is or what a hunting gun is but my handlers said I should say that so I can get the votes of some of the stupid redneck gun crazies.)

"I understand the Second Amendment, it is about hunting." (Proving that he DOES NOT understand the Second Amendment.)

"I support the Second Amendment." (I support the Second Amendment as I understand it, which is that the Army and the National Guard can have guns.)

"I would never propose taking guns away from lawful owners." (Of course, the only lawful owners would be the Army and the National Guard, which I will order to exterminate everyone else who even thinks about owning a gun!)

Jim