Ruger LCR in 327 Fed Mag just announced

[antiquus]

Aw damn Ruger, got to moonlight again for a while.

Out of a 2" barrel, it does slow down some, but if you reload, use a light bullet and a fast powder and 250ft/lbs is within reach without too much effort. In a round with a small frontal area that amount of energy is enough to get great penetration.

 

[gun_with_a_view]

It is what is is and that's how revolvers have ALWAYS been measured

Well, it is inaccurate and misleading, as well as worthless when taken by itself. Whoever came up with that methodology did not understand the basic math involved. Nonetheless, measuring the cylinder and adding it to the barrel length will enable one to roughly compare a revolver to a semi-auto for similar loadings. But, being as the flash gap velocity loss in a revo can run as high as 200 fps, comparing two ME figures is more exacting.




<<<In a round with a small frontal area that amount of energy is enough to get great penetration>>>

You mean like these little buggers:
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=285

 

[Zaydok Allen]

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/scope.html

Second to last paragraph.

Where people trip up is on how the data is plotted by BBI. You are correct about the actual barrel length. On a revolver, as you know, the barrel length is measured from the forcing cone to the muzzle. With a semi, it's measured from the breach to the muzzle.

BBI measured revolver round barrel length from the breach, so you would subtract the OAL (1.47") of the round to figure the actual travel distance of the bullet through the barrel and have it jive with traditional revolver barrel length measurements. So as BBI reported it, for a 3" barreled 327 mag, the actual barrel length on an equivalent revolver would be measured from the forcing cone and be 1.53" in actual travel length.

So to figure what velocities you would get from the lcr barrel, you would add the length of the barrel (1.875") and the OAL of the cartridge (1.47"), or rather the cylinder length, to figure where the BBI methodology would put the energy levels and velocities. That would be 3.345" to tell you what you would actually expect the lcr to give you, according to how BBI plotted the data.

I wish they had done the math and reported barrel lengths for revolver rounds the same way barrel length is measured on a revolver. The data plotting they did confused me for a long time.

This ignores cylinder gap pressure loss though.

 

[C0untZer0]

Oh OK, I get it now, thanks 460Kodiak.

 

[tomrkba]

My LGS has them, but they want $535

 

[C0untZer0]

I totally understand the pricing, I guess some of it takes into account costs of tooling and all that but it still is difficult to accept that an LCR chambered for 357 runs between $425.00 to $435.00 and the same gun chambered for .327 Federal Magnum runs $535.00 to $550.00

Even the 9mm which requires extra machining and moonclips is cheaper than the .327.

 

[RJM]

Interesting...the msrp is the same for the .327 and the .357. Sounds like the gun shop is pricing them differently.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

Oh OK, I get it now, thanks 460Kodiak.

Sure thing.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

Interesting...the msrp is the same for the .327 and the .357. Sounds like the gun shop is pricing them differently.

I'm sure it's the initial rush. New models and new chamberings are always priced excessively high.

Wait 6 months to a year and they'll come down.

 

[Deaf Smith]

45,000 psi? Is that it's pressure range?

Whoa... That takes a strong gun.

Deaf

 

[bannockburn]

I'm interested but I would probably wait and see if they come out with one that has a 3" barrel and exposed hammer.

 

[C0untZer0]

Is 3 inches the magic number or is it a case of some folks will never be satisfied? When Ruger re-introduced the 327 in their 4.2" SP101 many folks wrote they really wanted the .327 in a snubby. Now that Ruger is chambering it in the LCR folks are pining for a 3" gun.

If Ruger brought out a 3" SP101 model would we hear how they should really make a 5" or 6" gun?

If the 3" barreled version was really the market sweet spot, how did Ruger not see that?

 

[tomrkba]

Three inch barreled guns on a K frame sized frame are much adored. I would happily buy an SP101 in 327 FM if it had a 3" barrel.

 

[RJM]

Is 3 inches the magic number or is it a case of some folks will never be satisfied? When Ruger re-introduced the 327 in their 4.2" SP101 many folks wrote they really wanted the .327 in a snubby. Now that Ruger is chambering it in the LCR folks are pining for a 3" gun.

If Ruger brought out a 3" SP101 model would we hear how they should really make a 5" or 6" gun?

If the 3" barreled version was really the market sweet spot, how did Ruger not see that?

I hate to say it, but I think a lot of it is that people are never satisfied. I bought my sp101 when they were first introduced and the .327 fed mag was introduced and the only issue I had with the platform was the little blade sight on the rear of the Ruger. The gun is really great and the 3" barrel length makes it a nice carry gun and a nice range gun. It's a lot of fun shooting .32 longs out of it at the range. I personally think it is the sweet spot for the .327. (I have the blackhawk too, and that gun makes a fine hunting handgun for coyotes.)

I can see getting a smaller barrel in a lighter carry gun for this round...a lot of people want smaller and lighter. I wish they offered this LCR and came back with the 3" model. The 4" is good too, but not really a carry gun I would choose. The sights on it are a little fragile looking for me...but it would make a fine nightstand gun or a camping gun.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

I hate to say it, but I think a lot of it is that people are never satisfied. I bought my sp101 when they were first introduced and the .327 fed mag was introduced and the only issue I had with the platform was the little blade sight on the rear of the Ruger. The gun is really great and the 3" barrel length makes it a nice carry gun and a nice range gun. It's a lot of fun shooting .32 longs out of it at the range. I personally think it is the sweet spot for the .327. (I have the blackhawk too, and that gun makes a fine hunting handgun for coyotes.)

I can see getting a smaller barrel in a lighter carry gun for this round...a lot of people want smaller and lighter. I wish they offered this LCR and came back with the 3" model. The 4" is good too, but not really a carry gun I would choose. The sights on it are a little fragile looking for me...but it would make a fine nightstand gun or a camping gun.

This mirrors my own feelings. If they had a DAO 2" SP 101 in 327, I'd consider it over the lcr for pocket carry. If they re released the 3" SP101, I'd maybe consider that as well for IWB carry, IF I didn't already have a 3" in 357 magnum.

The LCR is by no means the quintessential pocket gun, but it's pretty dang good, and fills the pocket carry role nicely.

I also agree about the 4" SP101. To me, and no one is obliged to agree, once I get into a 4" barrel, IWB concealment gets harder for me, and I start thinking about open carry. So in that case, I'd rather just have a full size gun, like a GP100. The 4" Sp is perfect for nothing in my mind. I suppose some folks like the light weight for trail usage though. The weight of a full size gun doesn't bother me.

 

[bannockburn]

COuntZerO

I like the 3" barrel as I want to use it more as a Kit Gun rather than something for CCW. I would also like a small adjustable rear sight as sell.

 

[RJM]

Well, I tell you...I would pay for a Smith and Wesson 686 in .327 with a 3" barrel right now.

 

[gun_with_a_view]

The significance should not be overlooked of a compact LCR six-shooter that will chamber .32 H&R MAG rounds. This is a very welcome development for that round loaded with wadcutters.

The Smith 431 and 432 AirWeight PDs were the last of their kind until now. A little refresher:

http://www.gunblast.com/WBell_SW32s.htm

 

[weblance]

I like 6 shot snubs. To me, it only makes sense to carry 6 rounds in a revolver that has a cylinder just slightly larger in diameter than one that carries 5. The 327 snubs eliminate the larger cylinder, and carry 6 in the same diameter as 5 357s. The LCR also has the advantage of being DAO and snagless. I don't need a shirt hook on a defensive revolver. People should realize a small snub isn't a target gun, and Single Action isn't needed. The LCR-327 is the only 6 shot snub currently manufactured that has an enclosed hammer.

The 2" vs 3" barrel length argument is valid. The 327 really gets a boost in performance when shot from a 3" barrel. If both a 2" and 3" LCR-327 were available, I would choose the 3". I think a 3" DAO, fixed sight LCR-327 would be an ideal carry gun, but I will settle for the 2". Its still a great combination.

 

[JSH1]

I hate to say it, but I think a lot of it is that people are never satisfied.

Ruger has offered the .327 in a variety of revolvers

SP101 w/ 3 inch barrel
GP100 w/ 4.2 inch barrel
SP101 w/ 4.2 inch barrel
Single Seven w/ 3 barrel options
LCR w/ 1.875 inch barrel

The problem is that none of them have been regular items, Ruger has made a single run of each.

For me a revolver needs to have a hammer and adjustable sights. I would love to see a SP101 w/ 3 inch barrel and adjustable sights. I would also like to see the GP100 come back as I see value in the extra 2 rounds.

 

[weblance]

You forgot the 8 shot 327 Blackhawk

 

[Mayvik]

It's a size-weight thing for me. My 327 is the 4" GP which is a great belt gun under a coat, but too big for general ccw for me. The 3" SP is a better size for general carry but too heacy for a pocket. LCR is a perfect pocket gun but barrel could use an extra 1/2-1" for general carry, or bag/purse carry for the wife which is what I am leaning toward right now.

Nothing is perfect for every situation...

 

[gun_with_a_view]

Nothing is perfect for every situation...

People used to complain in the beginning the LCR grip was a little too big for pocket carry.

 

[Tanshanomi]

I carried an LCR in .38SPL and loved it, but due to a bad wrist (chronic tendonitis and a "floating" scaphoid bone), I'm rather recoil averse. So I went with a stainless Charter Arms Undercoverette in .32H&R Mag. Much happier with the cartridge, but got a heavier weapon and an exposed hammer in the process. Still not a perfect solution. I've been saying for six months, "What I need is an LCR in .32 Mag." ...Bingo! The sixth round and the ability to fire .327 Fed is just icing on the cake.

 

[SwampWolf]

I'll be getting one as soon as they're available. I like the idea of having 20% more ammunition on board in the same sized gun, even if the caliber is slightly smaller. I agree with others who would prefer the .327 Magnum chambered LCR available with a 3" barrel.